Project Restart - Hoping for 8th June

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Let's take "an example". Say teams are going to play once a week. Say players are tested every day. Say game day is Saturday. Say one player tests positive on the Friday. What happens, simply?
Is that one player not allowed to play?
Are all the other players allowed to play?
(because if all the others are allowed to play, isn't that breaking "rule one" - isolate if you've been in contact with someone who has got it)
That is my general question - I've never understood that bit.

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

The points deduction would be a deterrent, I'm talking about abuse of the situation, without going full tilt into cv19 I'd guess were dealing with those least likely to have serious issues from the virus because of thier age and physical fitness, I'm also going on the fact that they've all had much more than the recommended 14 day isolation period just like me, so if they suddenly chuck away all that hard work and get cv19 before the restart then the club would register them with an injury rather than hold a knife to the throat of the rest of the teams...

3 points for any team with a player who's recklessly gone about his bussines and not followed government guidelines, including our team.. They'd only pull the cv19 card once, if at all...

Note, everybody is claiming the Brighton situation is an attempt to cancel the season, therefore staving off the threat of relegation. Whenever it's open to interpretation without consequence, they'll manipulate to thier own ends..

14 day isolation. Social Distancing. Enhanced hygiene. Face coverings. They reduce your RISK of Covid-19. They don't make you IMMUNE to it. A three point deduction deterrent won't make a player immune. It's not a crime to catch the virus. We shouldn't be punishing people for catching it.

 

[tincan]

14 day isolation. Social Distancing. Enhanced hygiene. Face coverings. They reduce your RISK of Covid-19. They don't make you IMMUNE to it. A three point deduction deterrent won't make a player immune. It's not a crime to catch the virus. We shouldn't be punishing people for catching it.

The problem is there is no sign you have it for approximately 7days, that is why family members have to self isolate for 14days. So a player could infect all others, and not know it and in turn those 21others can pass it on in the next game. It is barmy to restart unless there is a minimum of 14days with zero infections.

 

[Tezza1889]

14 day isolation. Social Distancing. Enhanced hygiene. Face coverings. They reduce your RISK of Covid-19. They don't make you IMMUNE to it. A three point deduction deterrent won't make a player immune. It's not a crime to catch the virus. We shouldn't be punishing people for catching it.

That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying that the reporting of cv19 as the season restarts could be used in order to suspend the league and possibly cause cancellations.

Players who have been unlucky enough to have symptoms may or may not have followed the lockdown properly but take them away and report them injured instead, then the league can be completed.

I'm talking about abusing the situation in order to secure a better outcome..

If we have players contracting this on June 1st, which is the early restart date possible, then it's season over.. I don't want that.

But If I was a chairman with my arse on the line and going down, I might just have a few peaky looking players before the first match, especially if there were no comebacks.

Carry on anyway mate, the ball will start to turn soon, but I'm not gonna knick the edge..

 

[ZoneManWilf]

The problem is there is no sign you have it for approximately 7days, that is why family members have to self isolate for 14days. So a player could infect all others, and not know it and in turn those 21others can pass it on in the next game. It is barmy to restart unless there is a minimum of 14days with zero infections.

That's why the testing angle of this is so important. It won't be managing it by symptoms, it's managing it by regular testing.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying that the reporting of cv19 as the season restarts could be used in order to suspend the league and possibly cause cancellations.

Players who have been unlucky enough to have symptoms may or may not have followed the lockdown properly but take them away and report them injured instead, then the league can be completed.

I'm talking about abusing the situation in order to secure a better outcome..

If we have players contracting this on June 1st, which is the early restart date possible, then it's season over.. I don't want that.

But If I was a chairman with my arse on the line and going down, I might just have a few peaky looking players before the first match, especially if there were no comebacks.

Carry on anyway mate, the ball will start to turn soon, but I'm not gonna knick the edge..

Thanks

 

[Harrisblade]

Testing will be carried out on players at least once a week by clubs during traininf3 It wouldnt surprise me if this was 2-3 days before the game and players are then sent to hotels. If they are clear of the virus they can play. If not they will sent away to isolate. They will then will most likely be tested 1-2 days after the game . There will be more chance if the players catching the virus at hone than during the game but the players will regularly tested.

I know you havent mentioned this but i cant see any logical reason why games would have to be played on neutral grounds as inside the grounds will be sealed off to the public and how many fans would actually turn up when they wont be able to see the players

You mean the same way that fans never turn up without a ticket for all- ticket games?

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I will "speak with some authority" here. I mingle with the more extreme ticking & trainspotting end of football fandom. I'll show you the credentials if you need me to. Of course some fans are planning travel, access, BLAGGING for neutral and/or behind closed doors games.
I'm being asked "how would you do it, Phil?" questions across a range of platforms.
It has been a badge of honour for me to Blag into Strictly Behind Closed Doors matches at Academy Level (Watford, Millwall, Crystal Palace). I have celebrated my Blagging success openly on my Blog.
I'm on record as saying I have no appetite, nor interest, in these currently rumoured Ersatz Football games. So, don't hit me hard. I won't be making any effort myself. But, Project ABCD is very much alive.
(* Access Behind Closed Doors)

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

You mean the same way that fans never turn up without a ticket for all- ticket games?

Why go to the ground not being able to get in, when you can watch it on TV, though not in a pub.

 

[s4-blade]

Isolate players in hotels for 2 weeks before the start date, and keep them there for the remainder of the season. Play 3/4 games a day with each team playing every few days to get the season completed faster and to provide daily entertainment to the nation.

 

[Harrisblade]

Why go to the ground not being able to get in, when you can watch it on TV, though not in a pub.

Agree completely but it definitely used to happen.
Have things changed in these more media savvy times?

 

[bartman]

You mean the same way that fans never turn up without a ticket for all- ticket games?

They turn up in the hope that they will see players and get a free ticket for the game. The grounds will be secured off from the public. Surely fans arent daft enough to turn up when there is nothing to see ?( maybe i have too much faith in football fans in general)

I can only see issues at Annfield when they win the title

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Last few days i've tapped out of even caring what they decide now. It's as daft as getting invested in the filming of Emmerdale episodes.

We ain't going to be there. Let them sort it out themselves.

 

[Dave Robinson]

Agree completely but it definitely used to happen.
Have things changed in these more media savvy times?

Several hundred England fans travelled to Croatia last year for a match which was held behind closed doors, and I believe only a couple got into the ground.

 

[Harrisblade]

Several hundred England fans travelled to Croatia last year for a match which was held behind closed doors, and I believe only a couple got into the ground.

That's why I think they're talking about neutral grounds.
Maybe a couple of hundred fans will travel to somewhere a couple of hours travel time away but maybe a few thousand outside Bramall Lane for a behind closed doors home game.

 

[FriethBlade]

I'd have thought it wd be much harder to get into a behind closed doors game as wont it be obvious you are there...or am I missing something?

However matches where we get no tickets are another thing...I remember getting into Luton one Boxing Day when they were playing on an artificial surface and it was home fans only...apart from what seemed like hundreds of us dotted around the place !

 

[Silent Blade]

I'd have thought it wd be much harder to get into a behind closed doors game as wont it be obvious you are there...or am I missing something?

However matches where we get no tickets are another thing...I remember getting into Luton one Boxing Day when they were playing on an artificial surface and it was home fans only...apart from what seemed like hundreds of us dotted around the place !

My workmate at the time is a Luton fan and got me and my dad tickets for the match and made me promise not to cheer when Blades scored because the tickets were under his name. My dad and I cheered when Deane scored

 

[Varkanoid]

Let's take "an example". Say teams are going to play once a week. Say players are tested every day. Say game day is Saturday. Say one player tests positive on the Friday. What happens, simply?
Is that one player not allowed to play?
Are all the other players allowed to play?
(because if all the others are allowed to play, isn't that breaking "rule one" - isolate if you've been in contact with someone who has got it)
That is my general question - I've never understood that bit.

I imagine players would be tested individually as soon as they arrive hence no contact with team mates. So 1 player is positive, 21 are not positive that 1 player is then isolated and has not been in contact with the other 21. Thing is you can't really say what would happen as its not been decided yet.

 

[South London Blade]

Great input from a mind so advanced he only joined Middlesborough as he thought it was on the Northern Line.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Problem is with that they I imagine players would be tested individually. So 1 player is positive, 21 are not positive that 1 player is then isolated and has not been in contact with the other 21. Thing is you can't really say what would happen as its not been decided yet.

I'm really not axe grinding. But, equally, I genuinely don't know how it's supposed to work. The player who tests positive on the Friday, before a Saturday game - he'll have been with the manager, the rest of the squad, etc, all week in training & prep for the big game on the Saturday. What do you mean - he's not been in contact with the other 21? He has....

 

[SUFC Guy]

To keep the players, staff, officials and everyone else involved with project restart would it not be possible to all of them into isolation now and keep them in isolation for the duration of the season.

Yes it would cost a massive wad of cash but nothing that the league and clubs cannot afford. This method would ensure safety for all concerned.

This is my preferred method of handling this from a safety perspective.

 

[Jon Bon II]

My workmate at the time is a Luton fan and got me and my dad tickets for the match and made me promise not to cheer when Blades scored because the tickets were under his name. My dad and I cheered when Deane scored

I was in the press box and couldn't contain myself, punching the air and shouting 'Yes!' when we scored. Best snap of the season though afterwards - hot chicken goujons, scampi, chips, christmas cake... Might not sound a lot but it was tons better than the usual soggy cucumber and lettuce sarnies which was the usual fayre for the hacks. Vinnie Jones wandered in for a natter and started scoffing n'all.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

To keep the players, staff, officials and everyone else involved with project restart would it not be possible to all of them into isolation now and keep them in isolation for the duration of the season.

Yes it would cost a massive wad of cash but nothing that the league and clubs cannot afford. This method would ensure safety for all concerned.

This is my preferred method of handling this from a safety perspective.

I get all that as an argument. But, all the measures the Public Health Authorities, the Scientists, the Government propose & recommend are to reduce risk. They improve safety for all concerned. They do not in any way shape or form ensure safety. What happens when a player tests positive on the Friday? If it's - fuck it, the other players just have to suck it up, play, and possibly spread it further - then fine, someone just say so. No amount of isolating, bubbling & protecting gives players immunity.

 

[Addison]

Premier League clubs told season must be decided ‘on sporting merit’

The news could potentially split the six bottom clubs over how to finish the season

www.independent.co.uk

Self interest six put back in their box by the FA. Now at least three of them will be anxious to vote for project restart to avoid relegation. EPL to consider going back to Government over issue of neutral venues.

 

[Deadbat]

I get all that as an argument. But, all the measures the Public Health Authorities, the Scientists, the Government propose & recommend are to reduce risk. They improve safety for all concerned. They do not in any way shape or form ensure safety. What happens when a player tests positive on the Friday? If it's - fuck it, the other players just have to suck it up, play, and possibly spread it further - then fine, someone just say so. No amount of isolating, bubbling & protecting gives players immunity.

You've hit the nail on the head. Players will get it and clubs will announce it. Then what happens? Many players wont want to play if they have been into contact with said infected player and neither will opponents. Teams wont play and games will stop (exactly the same as what happened before we shut down). Not seen anyone answer what happens when one players contracts it - does that team just have to play - knowing some of them probably have it and then pass it onto another team and another. Itf games go ahead then it is exactly the opposite of what the govt is suggesting in terms of social distancing, track and tracing and isolating. Its unworkable.

Football and contact sport is one of the hardest things to work really. Many other jobs can social distance to some degree. They cannot. The whole essence of football is being close to each other/contact. I am unsure of any way round the above unless you just say sorry you mate has got it, you may/probably have it (even tests may not show they have it yet) but you are going to have to play? Players will go to the PFA and revolt or just refuse to play. The top level players have enough money they can sit it out for a further 6-12 months. The others down the leagues are in a different position of course.

Clubs cannot even agree to play on neutral venues (if more than 6 nix that ideas; project restart is effectively finished really), so we are a long way from games even being agreed whatever the Government has announced today which only says they will consider it from June 1st - my feelings is that will get taken off the table nearer the time but hope I am wrong.

I dont know the answer and yes football has to come back at some point and cannot wait till a vaccine as effectively there would be no clubs left and football and top level sport would die but feel we are still a long way from players and leagues be able to safely resume.

Be interesting to see if the Bundesliga carry off and sure the Premier League will watch carefully. If that and other leagues try and it works then who knows but I still think the plan is wrought with too many stumbling blocks sadly.

 

[Bladesman]

Premier League clubs told season must be decided ‘on sporting merit’

The news could potentially split the six bottom clubs over how to finish the season

www.independent.co.uk

Self interest six put back in their box by the FA. Now at least three of them will be anxious to vote for project restart to avoid relegation. EPL to consider going back to Government over issue of neutral venues.

It is still mathematically possible for the bottom 3 to stay up. I'd much rather play than it be decided on PPG if I were them.

 

[Addison]

It is still mathematically possible for the bottom 3 to stay up. I'd much rather play than it be decided on PPG if I were them.

Agreed playing behind closed doors is the better option and Government backs this. Only issue is the likes of SAG and Police aka Deputy Chief Constable Roberts the all knowing football policeman may still insist on neutral venues. If so then the dissenters will now have to comply. Wonder if the growing Covid 19 epidemic amongst Brighton players will now peter out?

 

[Varkanoid]

I'm really not axe grinding. But, equally, I genuinely don't know how it's supposed to work. The player who tests positive on the Friday, before a Saturday game - he'll have been with the manager, the rest of the squad, etc, all week in training & prep for the big game on the Saturday. What do you mean - he's not been in contact with the other 21? He has....

Yeah I know no arguement from me just trying to look at it logically I dont get why you cant understand how simple the testing can be. Testing Friday morning like you said. They are all arrive seperately they are all tested individually - before they come into contact with any other player on that day. First 4 test negative, okay off they go to training, the 5th tests positive, gets sent home and has had no contact with other players on that day because they are kept seperate, 6,7,8,9,10 etc all negative. Doesnt matter whether the 1 saw the others before Friday or not if the rest are negative on FRIDAY that means they dont have the virus. Could be the 1 is the goalie and never trained with the other players less than 2m apart ? For all we know they might end up training 2m apart, its possible.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Yeah I know but think about it. Testing Friday morning like you said. They are all arrive seperately they are all tested individually - before they come into contact with any other player on that day. First 4 test negative, okay off they go to training, the 5th tests positive, gets sent home and has had no contact with other players on that day because they are kept seperate, 6,7,8,9,10 etc all negative. Doesnt matter whether the 1 saw the others before Friday or not if the rest are negative on FRIDAY that means they dont have the virus.

OK. As a structure. I see that. If that's the science.