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Ollessendro said:
Now, after 2 games and an offer for QPR Tricky Trevor is looking for Kenny to sing a new deal. WTF??!! What an absolute shambles.
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They were due to sit down and chat about a new contract before any of this "kicked off".
 
Ollessendro said:
You couldn't write this stuff .......

Paddy Kenny, 31 years old break the rules and gets banned for 9 months. Out on his ear and looking like his career might be finished, his loyal club Sheffield United offer him a contract. Paddy is over a barell. The Blades negotiate a contract and Paddy's career is resurectured/saved. He plays 2 games in the close of the season.

Suddendly QPR bid and, despite Uited not wanting to sell, Paddy is free to leave if he wants to due to a clause. Who the fuck agreed this clause???? Now, after 2 games and an offer for QPR Tricky Trevor is looking for Kenny to sing a new deal. WTF??!! What an absolute shambles.
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In that situation it must be tempting to save money and time and just sell him. If what you say is accurate we mustn't reward a player in such a way - he's done nothing to earn it. Just spend the savings elsewhere, learn the lesson, and move on.
 
Blade58 said:
This is from the poster who is very well informed from another board. Posted a while back that it was looking likely he Paddy would be leaving to the disbelief and dismay of many posters:


"Did try to point this out sometime ago about the news thats breaking today, remember where you heard it first altough there were doubting thomas's ( would i post on here if it was'nt factual ? :-/ i think not) , even doubting thomas's supposingly ITK fowned upon this one, TUT TUT
£900k agreed , terms done, clauses done, fine tuning friday afternoon, then cheerio

By the way i do feel sorry for Blacky on this one, and some other rumours relating to this may decide Blackys next move

UTB & FTP"



I'd certainly like the bit about blackies next move clarified!
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If losing Paddy, and signing Boggy means that KB leaves I think I could live with that.

***HC Crosses fingers****
 
If Paddy does in fact go, we've missed out on another potential replacement: - Kasper Schmeichel who has just gone to Leeds on a free.

He would have been a good one to look at in the event of needing a replacement. Just a shame we fudge around with contracts and clauses giving us no time at all to get in front of other clubs for players.

As ive said before I believe Paddy will stay but if this speculation goes on for ages and he goes whilst we miss out on player after player there could be some unhappy Blades :thumbdown:
 
LouTheBlade said:
If Paddy does in fact go, we've missed out on another potential replacement: - Kasper Schmeichel who has just gone to Leeds on a free.

He would have been a good one to look at in the event of needing a replacement. Just a shame we fudge around with contracts and clauses giving us no time at all to get in front of other clubs for players.

As ive said before I believe Paddy will stay but if this speculation goes on for ages and he goes whilst we miss out on player after player there could be some unhappy Blades :thumbdown:
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Can't be right, Leeds finished the season a week after us and didn't even know what league they would be in until the last day.
Don't they know the rules on delaying incoming transfers until late summer?
 
Wasn't KS famously on something stupid like 20k a week at Notts?
 
Wow. 8 pages about a rumour regarding a player who still plays for Sheffield United.

I get the feeling some people want him to go to to QPR so they can crank their anger dials up to 11.
 
PeterNdlovu081 said:
Wow. 8 pages about a rumour regarding a player who still plays for Sheffield United.

I get the feeling some people want him to go to to QPR so they can crank their anger dials up to 11.
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That's because we're just not as loyal and passionate as those paragons of virtue at S6 that you admire so much.

I suspect some people WILL be happy to see him go IF we get Simmo in (me for one because I think Simmo is better) but I doubt anyone will be happy if he goes and we are left with an inferior replacement. But then I don't think Unitedites are a big bunch of wankers like some seem to.
 
PeterNdlovu081 said:
Wow. 8 pages about a rumour regarding a player who still plays for Sheffield United.

I get the feeling some people want him to go to to QPR so they can crank their anger dials up to 11.
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Which bit's the 'rumour'?
 
Grecian2000 said:
That's because we're just not as loyal and passionate as those paragons of virtue at S6 that you admire so much.
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I don't admire anybody at S6.

Grecian2000 said:
I suspect some people WILL be happy to see him go IF we get Simmo in (me for one because I think Simmo is better) but I doubt anyone will be happy if he goes and we are left with an inferior replacement. But then I don't think Unitedites are a big bunch of wankers like some seem to.
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There will be some people who are happy because then it will be just another stick to beat Blackwell and the management with.
 
PeterNdlovu081 said:
There will be some people who are happy because then it will be just another stick to beat Blackwell and the management with.
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What? Your nonsensical posts never cease to amaze me. All fans on here want what is best for Sheffield United football club and to say that they'd be happy to sell (arguably) the best keeper in the Championship to 'get on at management' is just plain silly. There might be pessimists and people who are pissed of with the current situation, but you're just being over the top.

This is a very real situation (not just a 'rumour'). QPR want Kenny and have put in a bid. Apparently there is a clause in Kenny's contract that means he could leave.

Nuddy would you be happy if we sold Paddy for 750k? Happy with Paddy for not sticking with us, Birch for allowing a stupid clause in the contract, the board for getting 750k for the best (arguably) keeper outside the premiership?? (what are the odds you'll not answer this/these questions ..... I'm giving 1/4)
 
Ollessendro said:
What? Your nonsensical posts never cease to amaze me. All fans on here want what is best for Sheffield United football club and to say that they'd be happy to sell (arguably) the best keeper in the Championship to 'get on at management' is just plain silly. There might be pessimists and people who are pissed of with the current situation, but you're just being over the top.
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As usual, there are people openly saying that they want Kenny to leave if it means Blackwell will ultimately get the sack.

Ollessendro said:
This is a very real situation (not just a 'rumour'). QPR want Kenny and have put in a bid. Apparently there is a clause in Kenny's contract that means he could leave.
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It is a rumour that Kenny is going to QPR. People are speaking about it as if he has already gone.

Yes QPR have put in a bid but the deal could be completely dead in the water for all we know.

Ollessendro said:
Nuddy would you be happy if we sold Paddy for 750k?
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No.
 

PeterNdlovu081 said:
As usual, there are people openly saying that they want Kenny to leave if it means Blackwell will ultimately get the sack.



It is a rumour that Kenny is going to QPR. People are speaking about it as if he has already gone.

Yes QPR have put in a bid but the deal could be completely dead in the water for all we know.



No.
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I don't get comments like this.
What are you actually suggesting? That we shouldn't discuss Kenny going to QPR? The clause in his contract? The amount bid for him? None of it until there's statement saying he's gone?
Which bits are ok with you?
 
lenners said:
I don't get comments like this.
What are you actually suggesting? That we shouldn't discuss Kenny going to QPR? The clause in his contract? The amount bid for him? None of it until there's statement saying he's gone?
Which bits are ok with you?
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I just think people should hold their horses a bit and just wait to see what happens. It's no good getting worked up about something that might not even happen.
 
I am reasonably ambivilent about Blackwell, but what I do know is repeating something endlessly does not make it true...

Oh I know. Speaking of which, I reckon we're very close to these gems being given a run out, perhaps as soon as tomorrow:

"we couldn't stop him leaving even if we wanted to"
"his agent held us to ransom"
"a good deal for the club"
 
Ollessendro said:
What? Your nonsensical posts never cease to amaze me. All fans on here want what is best for Sheffield United football club and to say that they'd be happy to sell (arguably) the best keeper in the Championship to 'get on at management' is just plain silly. There might be pessimists and people who are pissed of with the current situation, but you're just being over the top.

This is a very real situation (not just a 'rumour'). QPR want Kenny and have put in a bid. Apparently there is a clause in Kenny's contract that means he could leave.

Nuddy would you be happy if we sold Paddy for 750k? Happy with Paddy for not sticking with us, Birch for allowing a stupid clause in the contract, the board for getting 750k for the best (arguably) keeper outside the premiership?? (what are the odds you'll not answer this/these questions ..... I'm giving 1/4)
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Birch " I'm sorry Paddy but that's the best wage we can offer in the circumstances"

Paddy's agent " I'm sorry Trevor but we think that Paddy is worth a lot more than that so we're not prepared to sign at that level unless we agree a realistic release clause"


Speculation on my behalf but what would your response have been?
 
Revolution said:
I am reasonably ambivilent about Blackwell, but what I do know is repeating something endlessly does not make it true...

Oh I know. Speaking of which, I reckon we're very close to these gems being given a run out, perhaps as soon as tomorrow:

"we couldn't stop him leaving even if we wanted to"
"his agent held us to ransom"
"a good deal for the club"
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I was responding to Grumpy's assertion about Blackwell rather than the Kenny situation, but no matter.

First, I have no idea about whether there is an approach from QPR. They have denied it, but then these things are said very easily. I dont know if there is a release clause in the contract because I haven't read it. Maybe there is, maybe we are holding out for a couple of hundred grand more, maybe its all bullshit. We will find out soon enough, but its not worth vexing about.

I am certain that at this time there are lots of rumours and speculation, as there is every year. There are lots of agents bigging up their players to get lucrative deals, and lots of journo's trying to fill column inches and minutes on the TV. What better than a 'Sky Sources say...' to take up 5 mins on Monday, and a denial from the clubs and the player on Tuesday to fill another 5 mins. As one of our number would say...'Its not rocket science...'.

If the 'if, could, and maybe' come to pass and we sell Kenny then his transformation from chump to champ will be complete. Good keeper, sure, but not without faults, and certainly not irreplacable, but we'll have to see what we replace him with. The club has been pretty good in recent years in getting deals done under the radar, and I am prepared to wait and see. It is not the end of the world.

If we do sell him then getting him back on contract when he could have walked for nowt was shrewd business. If he is being offered three times the wages, then you can understand his motivation. If all things were equal, then you'd expect him to stand by the club that stood by him, but money talks. Lets not pretend that any of us wouldn't do the same given that offer.

None of this 'proves' anything other than the fickle nature of life, and football in particular. My only surprise is that I appear to be the only one not to be surprised by it...
 
Here's the text on the link to the Mirror article posted earlier edited for relevance and brevity

"Neil Warnock has failed with a £1million bid to lure Paddy Kenny from former club Sheffield United.

But the Blades have dismissed the offer out of hand and insisted the 32-year-old is not for sale.

This has not deterred Warnock, who might be forced to double his initial bid if he wants to land Kenny.

Kenny is poised to open talks about a new contract at Bramall Lane and is reluctant to leave the club after they stood by him following the drugs ban.

He feels indebted to the club and is expected to agree terms when he meets chairman Kevin McCabe next week."

Which sounds very much as if the Blades have the upper ground does it not?

Still just paper talk but we sound much more level-headed than we have been painted by some on here, n'est-ce pas?

;)
 
DuncDisorderly said:
None of this 'proves' anything other than the fickle nature of life, and football in particular. My only surprise is that I appear to be the only one not to be surprised by it...
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Mornin', DD. I'm sure you're not the only one who is surprised.

If Paddy does go, well that's life. He's a good (no more than that) CCC goalie. Shot stopper? Superb, but surely the mimimum requirement for a professional goalkeeper. Handling of crosses? Dodgy. Distribution? Least said the better. I've always thought he was that inch or two too short to be confident in the air.

In a couple of weeks, England's very best footballers will be getting tapped up and talking to team mates who claim they are on a zillion a week. Some will move on.

As for all this talk of 'loyalty', I'm afraid it's in short supply in football. I prefer to think of Cap'n Morgan, who I'm sure Warnock would have loved to surpass the rumoured £3.5 Paddy would be getting to see out his football career. But Morgs said no.

It's football and it happens - even to the very biggest and best. I wouldn't like to think about some of the comments on here if we'd have 'done a Man. U' a year ago. They lost - and haven't replaced - two superb players. Imagine if we'd sold the brilliant Tevez (to our nearest rivals) for the same fee as they paid for Jolian Effing Lescott! And imagine if the millions they got for Ronaldo had 'gone into the director's pockets'.
 
It's football and it happens - even to the very biggest and best. I wouldn't like to think about some of the comments on here if we'd have 'done a Man. U' a year ago. They lost - and haven't replaced - two superb players.

You have heard of Walker and Naughton, haven't you?

And the last time I checked, Man Utd did not have to play the likes of Fortune and Taylor in an attempt to lug the gaps they left. by selling their best players.

Thanks anyway, I forgot "It's football and it happens - even to the very biggest and best" from my cliche list. That one will also see the light of day at some point this summer, despite the fact that PL teams selling players for tens of millions of pounds has no bearing whatsover on whether we should be selling our best players.

The Mirror report sounds promisng in terms of keping Kenny, though of course "watch what United do rather than what they say" is the golden rule.

My only surprise is that I appear to be the only one not to be surprised by it...

Rather than you not being surprised, the impression you always leave me with is that you just couldn't care less about player sales. Would any player sale bother you? I've never seen you complain about one. Of course, that ties in with your stance of defending every decision and act of the club, irrespective of its effect on the team.
 
I have no problem with players being sold ...................... IF

They are crap, the offer is over the top,the Blades are skint, they are replaced by better players, what i do have a problem with is the management at BDTBL.
 
grafikhaus said:
I wouldn't like to think about some of the comments on here if we'd have 'done a Man. U' a year ago. They lost - and haven't replaced - two superb players.
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I presume you haven't seen the Green and Yellow scarves knocking around every time MU play these days. Their fans (i.e. the proper ones, not the ones in Dublin and Bejing) aren't particularly happy at the moment. This is what football is about. You care for your club, you like to see it do the best it can and when it doesn't, you let it be known.
 
Wow Walker & Naughton = Ronaldo & Tevez , an interesting analogy.
 
DuncDisorderly said:
I was responding to Grumpy's assertion about Blackwell rather than the Kenny situation, but no matter.

First, I have no idea about whether there is an approach from QPR. They have denied it, but then these things are said very easily. I dont know if there is a release clause in the contract because I haven't read it. Maybe there is, maybe we are holding out for a couple of hundred grand more, maybe its all bullshit. We will find out soon enough, but its not worth vexing about.

I am certain that at this time there are lots of rumours and speculation, as there is every year. There are lots of agents bigging up their players to get lucrative deals, and lots of journo's trying to fill column inches and minutes on the TV. What better than a 'Sky Sources say...' to take up 5 mins on Monday, and a denial from the clubs and the player on Tuesday to fill another 5 mins. As one of our number would say...'Its not rocket science...'.

If the 'if, could, and maybe' come to pass and we sell Kenny then his transformation from chump to champ will be complete. Good keeper, sure, but not without faults, and certainly not irreplacable, but we'll have to see what we replace him with. The club has been pretty good in recent years in getting deals done under the radar, and I am prepared to wait and see. It is not the end of the world.

If we do sell him then getting him back on contract when he could have walked for nowt was shrewd business. If he is being offered three times the wages, then you can understand his motivation. If all things were equal, then you'd expect him to stand by the club that stood by him, but money talks. Lets not pretend that any of us wouldn't do the same given that offer.

None of this 'proves' anything other than the fickle nature of life, and football in particular. My only surprise is that I appear to be the only one not to be surprised by it...
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Decent evidence here that you don't actually read anything on here. You just moan and whine about other people talking about our football club on a forum. Read my post 21 above and it is saying amongst other things (Blackwell can moan about this now) that the club couldn't do much more last summer - so I'm not surprised and plenty take the same view by looks of it - it all makes sense to me and Kenny had us over a barrel. Others think we could have done better last summer, fair enough but where you differ is that most people are sick that we are losing another top quality CCC player. You don't seem bothered because for some reason, it appears that you think we have enough wedge and managerial quality to find a decent replacement. Bunny came in under the radar - because he was unbelievably poor and nobody else wanted him, let's hope we can do the same again.

My advice to you - and I get plenty from you - don't try and hold yer sen out as a lone voice of reason.
 

Maidenhead said:
Birch " I'm sorry Paddy but that's the best wage we can offer in the circumstances"

Paddy's agent " I'm sorry Trevor but we think that Paddy is worth a lot more than that so we're not prepared to sign at that level unless we agree a realistic release clause"


Speculation on my behalf but what would your response have been?
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No responses to this question... Anyone?

Paddy, like Monty, wasn't happy with his contract offer before he got banned. So given his apparent willingness to go, the theoretical conversation doesn't seem too unrealistic.

I'm certain another club would have taken Paddy for nothing after his ban had he not been kept under contract and kept fit, so perhaps this clause was necessary to ensure we could command a future fee?

What's more, I doubt any club would have paid much more than £1m for him before he got banned. So is £750k that unrealistic given a 9 month drug ban?

To me, the most unpallatable aspect of this is the divergence between what Paddy said, and what the contract/sale rumours suggest.
 
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