Coronavirus - a real season spoiling threat?

[boss hog]

Mi dads 82 and if the games on he'll be there no question so he needs saving from himself because in his mind old is other people.

 

[Breakingblade]

Here in Spain, there are all sorts of stories about hospitals being overrun, running out of supplies and healthy nurses etc. Apparently there are far more cases/deaths than are being reported because of the expense of the test.

Madrid is the worst affected so letting 2,500 atletico fans into Anfield was an unbelievable decision- all football including non-league is off here now.

I much prefer the quote: 'football is the most important unimportant thing' than Bill Shankley's. Anything we can do to slow down the virus is a good idea- play the league in July if needs be.

 

[SwissBlade]

Play the games that can be played now. It will get suspended but if we can get as many games in now and then suspend for 8 weeks it will be fine

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

100% postpone now. Cancel Euro’s until 2021 & play the rest of the season in the summer.

 

[DeanLearner'sCat]

Agreed. Carrying on as normal simply isn't an option now. Top flight players and managers have got/are going to get this shit. It's going to be postponed and the Euros probably get pushed back to next summer.

 

[blade too long]

Are we? Where’s this assertion come from, the daily mail?

Ive lived in Spain for 11 years , not read a British paper in that time
no it comes from how we are respected throughout thw world for our research and development
And the history of dealing with previous outbreaks

not rushing to close schools forcing grand parents into closer contact than neccesary


theres been as of today 5000 near enough deaths worldwide
85 per cent are over 75 the rest have respitory or other health problems

AGE​	DEATH RATE confirmed cases	DEATH RATE all cases
80+ years old​	21.9%​	14.8%​
70-79 years old​	​	8.0%​
60-69 years old​	​	3.6%​
50-59 years old​	​	1.3%​
40-49 years old​	​	0.4%​
30-39 years old​	​	0.2%​
20-29 years old​	​	0.2%​
10-19 years old​	​	0.2%​
0-9 years old	​	no fatalities​

the mortality rate under 50 is the same as normal flu
how many 80 year olds with respitory problems attend football matches
why close schools when theres no deaths in under 10s
its like closing schools for severe colds

As far as I observe the press are whipping up fear , are we doing enough
yes we are , and Holland another country with a decent history of viral studies are mirroring our response

 

[Berkshire Blade]

The fact you are quoting death tolls to try and justify your views, that are increasingly out of step with what is going to actually happen, is mental. Take a step back and even think of doing this 3 months ago!

It's football. Entertainment. Not life and death. Emergency services are going to be busy enough without having to police fixtures let alone the health of the sportsmen involved making playing impossible.

 

[originaltrueblade]

Suspend it it’s common sense unlike our government...resume in the warmer months and move the euro’s to next year. We need to look after our elderly and vulnerable NOW

 

[zeroBouncing]

"For the greater good"
- NOT an identical analogy (before I get shot down) but ........

It's 70+ years since Germany launched one of the most devastating bombing raids of World War II, on Coventry.

It has been claimed in a number of books that the wartime prime minister knew that the city was to be targeted by the German Luftwaffe,
but chose to do nothing because it would have alerted Adolf Hitler to the fact the Allies had recently cracked the Nazis' top-secret Enigma codes.

Coventry and its people were sacrificed, the theory goes, "for the greater good" - that is, that the benefits of playing the long game outweighed the short-term costs of leaving the West Midlands city to a terrible fate.

 

[blademark]

3 Watford players currently being tested apparently. (Sorry if it's already been said)

 

[YES Blade]

One issue with cancelling sport is the money it generates the government, surely behind closed doors sport is the best solution whilst the spread in this country is still relatively low.

 

[Danetheblade]

The best thing to do is listen to the government and in particular to what their scientists and medical officers say. We've probably got the best people in the world for this, and the NHS is probably ideal compared to other countries, to deal with it.

Ignore whats going on in other countries, it seems a lot are panicing and over reacting.

We rank 18th in healthcare. Italy are ranked 2nd.

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

 

[Hamburg Blade]

That it’s only a bit of flu probably

That's not exactly telling you what you should do, and easy to ignore. Besides which, whether it's a bit of flu or the coronavirus, the recommendations advised apply to both.
There seems to be a deliberate attempt to create a "them and us" situation between those who dutifully follow the experts and those who commit the criminal act of saying something different. It seems to be the way of society these days, as if people can't exist without a "them".
There will always be people who do irresponsible things and always people who don't listen. Just look at how many people still smoke. Nevertheless, I don't understand the sneering or the vitriol. It's alright to think for yorself, it's alright to express an opinion - even if you may be wrong now and again.

 

[ChemEngBlade]

I’ve voted for 2 week postponement.....then play as normal...

People who say we need to protect our 85 year olds who are currently ill in hospital are being politically correct.
Of course no one wants their elderly parents are grand parents to die prematurely when they might have had another 5 or 10 years.
Even if those years are of poor quality with little dignity...it’s natural to have a pro life attitude at any cost.
Death is personal and an emotive subject....people struggle to think of the bigger picture.

However if we bring the country to a stand still with a total lock down.....the implications are potentially much much worse.
There is an argument to carry on as normal....most people will get the flu and be unwell for a few days....but almost everyone will live
Many of the very elderly with health problems will likely die but that might be the better option compared to the alternatives.

Just think we need to think carefully. We take action to solve a problem but then it could create another problem that’s much worse.

PS: Actually I agree with Cassius above......”other”.....let the experts armed with information decide.

The issue is though, this could easily be going for the rest of the year. In reality, there's only around 600 confirmed cases at the moment, roughly 0.001% of the population. Granted, that figure will likely be around 2,000 by this time next week and maybe more. But in 2 weeks we'll probably be in a far worse position than right now in terms of cases, deaths, NHS run ragged etc. If it does extend to 6 months or longer then what do we do?
If we postpone due to risk then we could very well end the season here.

 

[BushBlade]

Can only assume (dangerous I know) that this mornings emergency meeting will be to decide what’s happening with the rest of the season. Cannot for the life of me imagine this weekends games will go ahead now.

Seems short notice. They may decide to go ahead with this week and then suspend it.

 

[Dkc]

Suspend all football for at least a year and close all the pubs. After all, people's lives are more important than a pint of lager or watching blokes kick a ball around. Some people need to get a sense of perspective!

 

[Addison]

The EPL now have to consider the impact of players self isolating in large numbers for short periods which is starting to happen across a number of teams at the moment.

Its not about large gatherings any more. Government advice yesterday enabled the EPL to state games would still go ahead.

The UK's approach to Covid 19 is not one of short term lock down but to flatten the peak of the epidemic to push it out to the summer. That means the peak hits in June on current predictions. As the length of the peak is around 10 weeks we are not looking at suspension of football until the Summer but in fact cancellation of competitions until the start of next season if the experts are right and the flattening out strategy remains the same. That will have a significant impact on Clubs financial stability.

The EPL have to weigh up whether Clubs can plod along for the next few weeks to try to get as many of the fixtures completed as possible whilst dealing with an increasing number of self isolation issues affecting Clubs ability to perform.

At the time of writing Arsenal, Everton and Chelsea are self isolating. It looks like the decisions will have to include whether all competitions are cancelled and/or we start continue with the season in August.

 

[Silent Blade]

What time is the premier league meeting this morning ?

Read somewhere that the meeting is 10.30

 

[hidesbehindapseudonym]

The issue is though, this could easily be going for the rest of the year. In reality, there's only around 600 confirmed cases at the moment, roughly 0.001% of the population. Granted, that figure will likely be around 2,000 by this time next week and maybe more. But in 2 weeks we'll probably be in a far worse position than right now in terms of cases, deaths, NHS run ragged etc. If it does extend to 6 months or longer then what do we do?
If we postpone due to risk then we could very well end the season here.

The issue is health versus money. End the season now.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

The current season should be put into hibernation until June 1st,then complete all matches within June early July,then have a break until September 1st when new season begins.

Cancel Euro 2020 until 2021.

Only applies if this virus is under control,if out of control past the summer months then God help us all,sport wont matter.

 

[ChemEngBlade]

The issue is health versus money. End the season now.

Stopping mass gatherings won't stop it, it'll delay it. Previous major disease outbreaks throughout history weren't spread just by mass public events. A vaccine is likely at least 12 months away, less than that and it will have been rushed through and not had time to be proven safe & effective.
My personal opinion is do it behind closed doors or in an ideal world, create a test that can yield a positive/negative result in 30 seconds, but that'll likely never happen

 

[Hamburg Blade]

I can see Norwich, Villa and Bournmouth self-isolating for the next 18 months at least.

 

[CharlotteBlade]

Read somewhere that the meeting is 10.30

Who are these people ?! 10.30 ?! They should have been there at 8am... no time for having a lie in - I want to know what’s going off tomorrow and don’t like suspense

 

[Davalon]

"We are considering banning major public events like sporting fixtures," said Johnson.

"The scientific advice is this has little effect on the spread - but it does place a burden on other public services."
Little effect on the spread but sod it we will stop living altogether.

A large part of dealing with this is looking at the burden on services which impacts on saving lives.

If we can't abide by decisions made using science and experts for the good of our fellow man (and woman) it's a poor show.

Missing football for a while is fuck all in the grand scheme of things.

I have no idea how to manage an epidemic or pandemic, and I'm confident nobody else on this board does.

Just because Boris is a dick doesn't mean these decisions are what he has come up with for a laugh.

Its times like these people need to come together instead of acting like spoilt selfish brats as evidenced by the world of social media this week.

 

[I should coco]

I can see Norwich, Villa and Bournmouth self-isolating for the next 18 months at least.

And SWFC.

"Sorry Mr Postman but there is no-one at the club to sign for that registered letter from the Football League that is marked up 'Important - legal notice of points deduction""

Every cloud has a silver lining though.......

Just think of all the toys been thrown out of the pram 35 miles up the M1!

 

[Dutch Blade]

Can't believe 32,5% voted on carry on. That's just super dumb and selfish.

 

[Geordie Blade]

I can't think of a single reason not to do this, assuming football has to end in the near future. Let teams carry over the points they currently have into next season, so if you have 50 points, you start with 50 points. That way, all the clubs who have done well, will still have an advantage, and the likes of Norwich will still start bottom, etc.
A 2 season season, if you like.

Can you imagine what this would do to Punk Blade's thread???

For what's it worth... The main issue about carrying on isn't about fans' (or the general population's) safety - the experts have said that it would make little difference. It's more about whether teams could fulfill their fixtures properly, with multiple players either ill or in self isolation. The season would be an absolute farce if, say, Liverpool had to play their under 23s against a team needing three points to stay up.

I'd declare a two month (minimum) 'break' now, and then pick up the season as soon as its reasonable. If needed, it could roll straight into next season. There would have to be an adjusted transfer window, and I don't know where Euro 2020 would fit in. I'd also scrap next season's League Cup in order to allow a slight condensing of the 2020/21 season.

 

[Northyorksblade]

Here in Spain, there are all sorts of stories about hospitals being overrun, running out of supplies and healthy nurses etc. Apparently there are far more cases/deaths than are being reported because of the expense of the test.

Madrid is the worst affected so letting 2,500 atletico fans into Anfield was an unbelievable decision- all football including non-league is off here now.

I much prefer the quote: 'football is the most important unimportant thing' than Bill Shankley's. Anything we can do to slow down the virus is a good idea- play the league in July if needs be.

My granddaughter's school in Villamartin has closed for five weeks from today. Not sure how she is going to prepare for her A levels in two months time.

 

[Blade82]

If european football next season is cancelled I don’t want to finish this season.