will WE be the top team in yorkshire?

[bladesman1889]

The style of play does not suit Evans or Harper, Evans is under 6 foot therefore can not play hoof ball well and Harper likes to get it down and pass it. As for williamson he has been injured most of the time so can not comment. I fear most of the signings will be average and squad players like France and Reid.

Tactics may not suit Evans so well but are you denying the fact he's been absolutely awful this season? He looks nothing like a 3m player and I've been very disappointed with just about every part of his game. Let's hope he comes good next season.

 

[Sensiblade]

Tactics may not suit Evans so well but are you denying the fact he's been absolutely awful this season? He looks nothing like a 3m player and I've been very disappointed with just about every part of his game. Let's hope he comes good next season.

Does he look like a £750k player?

When (and that's the important part, because as United's history show's it happens rarely) we get a settled side, the performances and entertainment value of games will improve.
As hopefully (but i'm not holding my breath) will the outlook of some fellow United fans

 

[bladesman1889]

If I had to value Evans based on last season I wouldn't say he's worth more than 500k, no way.

 

[lenners]

Does he look like a £750k player?

When (and that's the important part, because as United's history show's it happens rarely) we get a settled side, the performances and entertainment value of games will improve.
As hopefully (but i'm not holding my breath) will the outlook of some fellow United fans

Not sure why he'd look a £750,000 player but no, he doesn't look anywhere near that good.

 

[Basegreen_Blade]

The league atble does lie. Randomness and luck paly huge factors in football and anyone who thinks that a team get exactly what they deserve after 90 minutes and it evens itself out over the season are just naive

I'm sorry but thats a right load of crap. The objective of the game is to put the ball in the back of the net, therefore whoever does this the most times, wins. So if we win 3 nil, we deserve it, however badly we preformed; obviously the other team were worse in some way.

 

[Sensiblade]

Not sure why he'd look a £750,000 player but no, he doesn't look anywhere near that good.

because that's the initial amount we paid for him and not £3million to my understandin

 

[Ollessendro]

haha! :lol: I started all this childish name calling did I? You instantly came across as quite a bitter and aggressive poster, looking to belittle others (e.g. 'best laugh I've had all day', 'your defence of Sheff United is pathetic') ! Deary me!

The only reason I got frustrated is because you seem incapable of reading my posts and responding without coming across like a little kid. And to be honest you're the first person I've heard say the league table does lie...did it lie 08/09 as well then?

My stance- KB has done a good job overall but has been let down by a poor style of play sometimes, and some poor signings. Other than that he's done plenty of good. Is that clear? I've already explained this to you but you didn't appear to read it (again )

Another thing you haven't read (this is becoming a theme)- please show me where I said you're wrong in predicting a 13th place finish? I pulled you up on your silly expectations for last season.

Actually yes you did start the childish name calling. I implied that you were wrong and that your argument wasn't a good one, but I did not get personal and name call. This is a forum where we debate issues. Sometimes debates get heated and that's that. If I think that opinon is rubbish then I'll say so. I may be a little belittiling or play the devils advocate or whatever, but I make no excuses for that. I'd happily say exactly the same thing to you over a beer in the pub. The problem is that people can misinterpret e-mails/posts, because they have no idea of what the line the other person is taking. I can assure you that I am not bitter and aggressive, but don't take this forum too seriosuly and like to think of these threads as debates and banter. I might upset a few people on the way, but how often does thta happen in a stimulating debate?

Ok, I really don't want to go into the whole 'the leage table lies' argument, as Darren and I hammer this one to death. Maybe you were not on the forum at the time, but this issue got debated excessively. But to answer your question, yes the league table lied in 2008/2009. It will always lie. Teams that are better than others and play better than others over a season can still finish below those teams. Randomness, particularly luck, means that football games aren't always won by the better side. It's the beauty of the game.

I am reading your posts. I don't think much of them, but I am reading them. So at the beginning of last season you would have been happy with an 8th place finish? And where do you feel that we'll finish next year? This is a forum and we debate issues here. Are you that insecure about your opinions that you can't handle me coming at you from different angles? I ask you a few questions and you spit your dummy out and saythat I am not readng your posts.

 

[Ollessendro]

I'm sorry but thats a right load of crap. The objective of the game is to put the ball in the back of the net, therefore whoever does this the most times, wins. So if we win 3 nil, we deserve it, however badly we preformed; obviously the other team were worse in some way.

here we go. Thanks for your fantastic insight. If you believe that a team gets exactly what they deserve after 90 minutes then there is no point in us debating.

Earlier in the Premisership season Spurs beat Wigan 9-1. The stats (i.e. possession and shot on target) where the same for when Spurs drew 0-0 with Hull in a game a couple of months later. The fact is that Spurs were desperately unlucky and should have won that game. This is one of many countless examples where a team can get the outcome they don't deserve.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Earlier in the Premisership season Spurs beat Wigan 9-1. The stats (i.e. possession and shot on target) where the same for when Spurs drew 0-0 with Hull in a game a couple of months later. The fact is that Spurs were desperately unlucky and should have won that game. This is one of many countless examples where a team can get the outcome they don't deserve.

If you can't score then you don't deserve to win. It's irrelevant how much possession you have or how many shots on target you have.

 

[Grecian2000]

If you can't score then you don't deserve to win. It's irrelevant how much possession you have or how many shots on target you have.

Cheers. I'll keep a copy of this and send it to Hoofy every time he does one of his "We came up against a world class goalkeeping performance today" pieces.

At least it's put me right about thinking we deserved something against the Arse in that Semi.

 

[Ollessendro]

If you can't score then you don't deserve to win. It's irrelevant how much possession you have or how many shots on target you have.

Nope. You could hit the bar, post and the keeper could have the game of his life. On top of that you could be denied blatant penalties or have goals disallowed.

Anyone remember Spain vs South Korea in the 2002 World Cup? Can anyone seriously say that that game should have ended in a draw? Spain dominated and had a completely and utterly goal disallowed.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Nope. You could hit the bar, post and the keeper could have the game of his life. On top of that you could be denied blatant penalties or have goals disallowed.

Why does it matter how many times you hit the bar or post? Not scoring is not scoring, hitting the bar is just the same as slicing a shot and having it go out for a throw in.

Refereeing decisions are beyond the control of any of the players or managers. You've just got to accept whatever decisions are made even if they are wrong.

 

[bladesman1889]

Actually yes you did start the childish name calling. I implied that you were wrong and that your argument wasn't a good one, but I did not get personal and name call. This is a forum where we debate issues. Sometimes debates get heated and that's that. If I think that opinon is rubbish then I'll say so. I may be a little belittiling or play the devils advocate or whatever, but I make no excuses for that. I'd happily say exactly the same thing to you over a beer in the pub. The problem is that people can misinterpret e-mails/posts, because they have no idea of what the line the other person is taking. I can assure you that I am not bitter and aggressive, but don't take this forum too seriosuly and like to think of these threads as debates and banter. I might upset a few people on the way, but how often does thta happen in a stimulating debate?

Ok, I really don't want to go into the whole 'the leage table lies' argument, as Darren and I hammer this one to death. Maybe you were not on the forum at the time, but this issue got debated excessively. But to answer your question, yes the league table lied in 2008/2009. It will always lie. Teams that are better than others and play better than others over a season can still finish below those teams. Randomness, particularly luck, means that football games aren't always won by the better side. It's the beauty of the game.

I am reading your posts. I don't think much of them, but I am reading them. So at the beginning of last season you would have been happy with an 8th place finish? And where do you feel that we'll finish next year? This is a forum and we debate issues here. Are you that insecure about your opinions that you can't handle me coming at you from different angles? I ask you a few questions and you spit your dummy out and saythat I am not readng your posts.

Well you come across as quite aggressive on here. I'm not spitting the dummy whatsoever but you're reading what you want to read in my posts, not what's actually there. Which makes this a little pointless, since like I said you're not reading my posts properly and then responding to something I haven't actually said, it's happened 3 or 4 times.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

So judging by the fact that we finished 8th last year, we've lost a bunch of players, we are futher decreasing the wage bill, crowds are going down, more big names are leaving, we've less money etc why is it not ok for me to predict a lower half finish??? This is the point that I was originally pulled up on (although not by you) and you wanted to debate around.

A few months back you said that we would finish in the bottom half this season and Ipswich would finish above us.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Hull and Middlesboro can both fuck off, nowt to do wi Yorkhire in my eyes.

Humberside and Teeside.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Hull and Middlesboro can both fuck off, nowt to do wi Yorkhire in my eyes.

Humberside and Teeside.

Hull and Middlesbrough are both in Yorkshire.

 

[2ndtenorblade]

hitting the bar is just the same as slicing a shot and having it go out for a throwing.

I'm sorry to but your use of the word throwing intrigues me, I always thought it was a throw in. I'm not trying to be pedantic, just curious.

 

[Ollessendro]

Why does it matter how many times you hit the bar or post? Not scoring is not scoring, hitting the bar is just the same as slicing a shot and having it go out for a throwing.

Refereeing decisions are beyond the control of any of the players or managers. You've just got to accept whatever decisions are made even if they are wrong.

You are half way there. The second part is right. Decisions by officials are out of teams control and hence they represent part of the randomness that I pointed out. Another part of it is luck. Hitting the bar or the post is unlucky. You are a lot closer to scoring than a shot that goes out for a throw. It may not actually count for anything (in the atcual score) but that's not what were are talking about.

Nuddy, did you watch South Korea vs (first) Italy and (then) Spain in the world cup? If so, do you think they seriosuly didn't deserve to lose both games??

 

[Ollessendro]

Well you come across as quite aggressive on here. I'm not spitting the dummy whatsoever but you're reading what you want to read in my posts, not what's actually there. Which makes this a little pointless, since like I said you're not reading my posts properly and then responding to something I haven't actually said, it's happened 3 or 4 times.

It just proves my point that you've either spat the dummy out or are too inscure about your opinions to debate them properly. Why bother coming on a forum when you can't handle a a bit of debate? Beats me why anyone would come on and state their opinion and then get upset because they have to offend it. Mind you, the debate finished around the team you typed the words 'I think you are the pathetic one'.

 

[moDtheGod]

If you can't score then you don't deserve to win.

But what he said was that luck plays a large part in the game and in a season. Obviously you don't get any extra points for being on the end of a dodgy decision, a fluke deflection or whatever, but it IS possible to be unlucky enough to have far more than your fair share of those go against you in a season, hence the implication that the league table can lie a little bit.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

I'm sorry to but your use of the word throwing intrigues me, I always thought it was a throw in. I'm not trying to be pedantic, just curious.

Yeah, I meant throw in.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

But what he said was that luck plays a large part in the game and in a season. Obviously you don't get any extra points for being on the end of a dodgy decision, a fluke deflection or whatever, but it IS possible to be unlucky enough to have far more than your fair share of those go against you in a season, hence the implication that the league table can lie a little bit.

I don't really believe in the concept of luck so league tables are pretty accurate to me.

 

[bladesman1889]

It just proves my point that you've either spat the dummy out or are too inscure about your opinions to debate them properly. Why bother coming on a forum when you can't handle a a bit of debate? Beats me why anyone would come on and state their opinion and then get upset because they have to offend it. Mind you, the debate finished around the team you typed the words 'I think you are the pathetic one'.

?????????????

It's got nothing to do with debate, you started trying to laugh off the debate instantly like it was ridiculous. Then you've shown yourself to be completely incapable of reading my posts! I wouldn't mind debating if you could actually read :lol: :lol:

I think if you read back you were the first and only one to come across as aggressive when I exposed most of your points.

You've continued to do it with these latest posts, what's the point? There's only one poster who is 'insecure' about their opinions on here...no idea why I would be that person but there you go ? very strange poster.

 

[2ndtenorblade]

Yeah, I meant throw in.

Oh and I thought I'd discovered a new term, quite like the sound of a throwing.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Only on paper

 

[Ollessendro]

?????????????

It's got nothing to do with debate, you started trying to laugh off the debate instantly like it was ridiculous. Then you've shown yourself to be completely incapable of reading my posts! I wouldn't mind debating if you could actually read :lol: :lol:

I think if you read back you were the first and only one to come across as aggressive when I exposed most of your points.

You've continued to do it with these latest posts, what's the point? There's only one poster who is 'insecure' about their opinions on here...no idea why I would be that person but there you go ? very strange poster.

How very boring. "I'm not pathetic, you're pathetic, I'm not insecure, there's only one other who is insecure, you don't read my posts". Oh dear.

You exposed one of my points (on contracted players). Then you failed to acknowledge my arguments and avoided the points that I made. I start to quiz you about your actual position and you started to get upset complaining that 'I don't read your posts'.

I never got aggressive with you, you just misinterpreted my style. However in future would you like to start questions with sir, or the righ honourable gentleman or something?!

 

[davidpinder]

Tactics may not suit Evans so well but are you denying the fact he's been absolutely awful this season? He looks nothing like a 3m player and I've been very disappointed with just about every part of his game. Let's hope he comes good next season.

I really don't think Evans is to blame for his poor form, he has found it difficult to settle into hoof ball tactics we started to change that towards the end of the season and he like to rest had a good last day. In all the games he played he didn't go around missing sitters every week. I think you can put lower values and all the players signed last season. Andy taylor is not worth 50p never mind 300k.

 

[secretchief]

One thing I've noticed about Evans is that his dribbling isn't particularly great. Possibly one reason he seems to prefer to shoot from distance.

He needs to work out ways to improve on his movement so that he can get into scoring positions a la Cresswell.

 

[Ollessendro]

I really don't think Evans is to blame for his poor form, he has found it difficult to settle into hoof ball tactics we started to change that towards the end of the season and he like to rest had a good last day. In all the games he played he didn't go around missing sitters every week. I think you can put lower values and all the players signed last season. Andy taylor is not worth 50p never mind 300k.

There's an element of truth in this, although I don't entirely agree. I think Evans has been hugely disappointing, but it is not all his own fault. He looked razor sharp early on, but then seemed to lose confidence. However, blackwells usage of him has to come into question. Early on (an throughout the whole season) Blackwell opted for the lone striker role (with hendo or later cressy) and hence Ched was on the bench. It was obviously difficult for him to get momentum, although he could/should have taken his chances better. He looked to be forming a decent partnership with Cresswell in January and (again) Blackwell fucked it up by bringing Henderson back into the team after injury. I think Evans was also lacking in confidence. I remember thinking, if he gets a gola he may go onto get another 10. He hit the post, bar etc on several occasions and it's now a case of what if's. The bottom line is that Ched Evans has had a very disappointing season, but with better tactics and man management it could have been a different story.

 

[shorehamview]

It is true that a team can play really well and not get the result they may well deserve.

For instance, how many times has that fat fucking octopus Pressman been the only thing stopping us thoroughly tonking Wednesday, and how many times after the match have Blades lamented over a beer or three that we deserved to thrash them?