Chrissy having a dig at United fans

[Keef Chedwyn]

I sit in the south stand and always clap the team off. I have no problem with those that don't. For balance I must point out that on the 3 occasions I've sat with my kids on the BLU this season the few who clap them off have been regularly ignored by the players who go straight to the family stand, kop then south stand. Again, no big deal but it works both ways.

Totally agree.

The players are generally having a chat while doing a token waist height clap. They don't give a fuck about a contrived arse kissing.

A genuine spontaneous ovation happens naturally at home every so often and always at away games.

Deano likes to hear his name, the odd fist pump from Basham and McBurnie and of course Wilder waits til a bit after to get his "one of our own" serenade. Apart from that, I think the players want to get in the shower.

 

[essexblade73]

Remember a mate from Leeds who said us sheffielders moan about anything, even if there isnt anything to moan about we'll find something...

 

[BushBlade]

Remember a mate from Leeds who said us sheffielders moan about anything, even if there isnt anything to moan about we'll find something...

That’s reight pissed me off, that.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Remember a mate from Leeds who said us sheffielders moan about anything, even if there isnt anything to moan about we'll find something...

Too fuckin right.

 

[Stretch]

Well I have been going to football matches for almost 35 years, and I don't ever remember a time when home supporters [whether at the Lane or anywhere else] don't start peeling away at 80 minutes. People have a myriad of reasons for leaving early, and even if there is no practical reason for it, it's just a fact that not everyone feels, like me, that they simply can't leave until the final ball has been kicked.

I would follow Wilder up the arse of a blue whale, but he does need to be a bit careful criticising the supporters.

 

[Northyorksblade]

I think this game was different as to why people left earlier than usual, I think alot of our fans, me included were more annoyed we had drawn to the worst football team to visit us this season. This wasn't a hard fought draw in my eyes. They were time wasting from the 51st min, they didn't even look like they wanted to score and I think it just annoyed everyone. No fault to our players though but you can't help emotions.

Didn't you go to the Newcastle game?

 

[essexblade73]

Well I have been going to football matches for almost 35 years, and I don't ever remember a time when home supporters [whether at the Lane or anywhere else] don't start peeling away at 80 minutes. People have a myriad of reasons for leaving early, and even if there is no practical reason for it, it's just a fact that not everyone feels, like me, that they simply can't leave until the final ball has been kicked.

I would follow Wilder up the arse of a blue whale, but he does need to be a bit careful criticising the supporters.

You have to be a bit of a precious princess to get upset about him making what many feel is a valid point. Even if I was one of those who leave early it wouldnt bother me what he said.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

You have to be a bit of a precious princess to get upset about him making what many feel is a valid point. Even if I was one of those who leave early it wouldnt bother me what he said.

Do you not think it's a bit precious to say it in the first place?

 

[essexblade73]

Do you not think it's a bit precious to say it in the first place?

Not really. After what he has done and what most of that team have done I think the least we can do is stay until the end, unless you really need to go early e.g family reasons, work, last train etc, not just because you dont want to get stuck in traffic or you're a manchild who thinks we should win every game and is crying off like a 2 year old. Football is a 90 minutes plus injury time game, why pay and miss part of the game? I dont get it, however each to their own, doesn't ratlle my cage like it does others.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

Not really. After what he has done and what most of that team have done I think the least we can do is stay until the end, unless you really need to go early e.g family reasons, work, last train etc, not just because you dont want to get stuck in traffic or you're a manchild who thinks we should win every game and is crying off like a 2 year old. Football is a 90 minutes plus injury time game, why pay and miss part of the game? I dont get it, however each to their own, doesn't ratlle my cage like it does others.

Leaving early is daft but some people can't bear to be in the mix of traffic etc. Up to them but it's part of going to the match. I completely disagree with it.

But to have a go at paying fans for leaving at the full time whistle and not wait for the players to fuck about and give a half hearted, token gesture of appreciation to the fans is ridiculous.

Have you ever seen the cringey shit that German teams do at full time where they all join hands and raise them with the fans and make a bit of a show of it? We're not talking about those kind of scenes here at all. From their body language, all bar a couple of our players don't give a shit about the love in at the end of the game.

The issue here is Chris Wilder's ego wasn't massaged as much as he would've liked because he was in a bad mood and he wanted to have a dig at everyone after the match.

 

[metalblade]

What a set of fucking Snowflakes we are becoming, oooo someone's leaving early, ooooo they can't be a big blade like me, ooooo they are leaving early and blocking my view ........... Huh most people are stood up on the kop anyway you fucking melts, ooooo we must stay and clap the players off or the poor precious little darlings will be upset and feel unloved ............... do me a fucking favour CW and shut the fuck up.
Never watched football in the 60's 70's some of you lot? At 4.40pm the exits would be packed as soon as the ref put the whistle to his gob it was a stampede if you didn't run you would be trampled. Ovations at the final whistle had to be earned in those days and they were few and far between, the players didn't walk around clapping the fans or doing the fake badge kissing bullshit they do today they played the game because they loved it more than the pay pockets today's lot enjoy. If it upsets them so much that one or two don't stay to have a circle wank with them then I feel sorry for the poor little lambs, time for them to man up and get on with what they are handsomely paid to do and remember those watching don't earn their size of weekly wage in a year and many have to go without other things to just go and watch.
Just a bit of perspective for CW and the players.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

What a set of fucking Snowflakes we are becoming, oooo someone's leaving early, ooooo they can't be a big blade like me, ooooo they are leaving early and blocking my view ........... Huh most people are stood up on the kop anyway you fucking melts, ooooo we must stay and clap the players off or the poor precious little darlings will be upset and feel unloved ............... do me a fucking favour CW and shut the fuck up.
Never watched football in the 60's 70's some of you lot? At 4.40pm the exits would be packed as soon as the ref put the whistle to his gob it was a stampede if you didn't run you would be trampled. Ovations at the final whistle had to be earned in those days and they were few and far between, the players didn't walk around clapping the fans or doing the fake badge kissing bullshit they do today they played the game because they loved it more than the pay pockets today's lot enjoy. If it upsets them so much that one or two don't stay to have a circle wank with them then I feel sorry for the poor little lambs, time for them to man up and get on with what they are handsomely paid to do and remember those watching don't earn their size of weekly wage in a year and many have to go without other things to just go and watch.
Just a bit of perspective for CW and the players.

Difficult choice on the old like button there. Could easily have been love or laughing but kept it simple with a thumbs up.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

What a set of fucking Snowflakes we are becoming, oooo someone's leaving early, ooooo they can't be a big blade like me, ooooo they are leaving early and blocking my view ........... Huh most people are stood up on the kop anyway you fucking melts, ooooo we must stay and clap the players off or the poor precious little darlings will be upset and feel unloved ............... do me a fucking favour CW and shut the fuck up.
Never watched football in the 60's 70's some of you lot? At 4.40pm the exits would be packed as soon as the ref put the whistle to his gob it was a stampede if you didn't run you would be trampled. Ovations at the final whistle had to be earned in those days and they were few and far between, the players didn't walk around clapping the fans or doing the fake badge kissing bullshit they do today they played the game because they loved it more than the pay pockets today's lot enjoy. If it upsets them so much that one or two don't stay to have a circle wank with them then I feel sorry for the poor little lambs, time for them to man up and get on with what they are handsomely paid to do and remember those watching don't earn their size of weekly wage in a year and many have to go without other things to just go and watch.
Just a bit of perspective for CW and the players.

Oh, the irony... So it's not being a snowflake to storm out of the ground having a hissy-fit because we are not winning...? And as for being trampled in the old days because of the 4.40 stampede - it made far more sense to wait 5 minutes to find out results from games elsewhere (the bus home didn't have a wifi connection), and then stroll out of the ground without being crushed. The better option to miss the crush is still waiting 5 minutes (but keep it quiet, or that will mean everyone will stay). And it even allows moments of fun, like welcoming a group of West Ham players back onto the pitch for their warm-down. And (forgive me if I have not understood your irony), but if it upset me that much that players today are pampered and overpaid (which they are), I think I would look for a different way to spend Saturday afternoons (and Monday evenings, Sunday lunchtimes, etc.). It's probably not good for your health.

 

[essexblade73]

Oh, the irony... So it's not being a snowflake to storm out of the ground having a hissy-fit because we are not winning...? And as for being trampled in the old days because of the 4.40 stampede - it made far more sense to wait 5 minutes to find out results from games elsewhere (the bus home didn't have a wifi connection), and then stroll out of the ground without being crushed. The better option to miss the crush is still waiting 5 minutes (but keep it quiet, or that will mean everyone will stay). And it even allows moments of fun, like welcoming a group of West Ham players back onto the pitch for their warm-down. And (forgive me if I have not understood your irony), but if it upset me that much that players today are pampered and overpaid (which they are), I think I would look for a different way to spend Saturday afternoons (and Monday evenings, Sunday lunchtimes, etc.). It's probably not good for your health.

Was thinking the same but flappyhandski's error just put me off posting it, couldnt stop laughing!

 

[RedandWhite]

Didn't you go to the Newcastle game?

They came to defend and they did it well. That was their game plan. Brighton were just shite in general.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Was thinking the same but flappyhandski's error just put me off posting it, couldnt stop laughing!

Ta for the news of the goal; even though the West Ham players were ok with the stick they got that night, I can't bring myself to want them to avoid relegation.

 

[corner_flag]

I can't agree with CW either thought we were pretty average but fair play to Brighton they came with a plan and carried it out. We should not be conceding 3 mins after we score we need to keep the ball for 5 minutes after going in front we didn't. We didn't deserve to win despite having more posession we didn't make enough chances or work their keeper.
If Chris wants to moan about the fans he can sit in my seat the next game sitting bang in the centre of the kop if I don't make a move on 90mins which ever direction I go it will take 15mins to get out as it is if we play 5mins extra time I still haven't made it down to near the corner flag I am always still there to clap the lads off so he can bollocks.
If it didn't take so long to get out of the kop people would still be in their seats at the end of play does he not notice after 90mins at the front of the kop fans are stood six deep.

So what if it takes you 10 mins to get out?

Sat in South stand looking towards goal, watching our team piling on the pressure to get a match winning goal - and behind the goal, people are streaming out.

Must have annoyed the players. They kept going til the 93rd minute. And could maybe have got that goal - which several hundred fans would have misse

 

[essexblade73]

What a set of fucking Snowflakes we are becoming, oooo someone's leaving early, ooooo they can't be a big blade like me, ooooo they are leaving early and blocking my view ........... Huh most people are stood up on the kop anyway you fucking melts, ooooo we must stay and clap the players off or the poor precious little darlings will be upset and feel unloved ............... do me a fucking favour CW and shut the fuck up.
Never watched football in the 60's 70's some of you lot? At 4.40pm the exits would be packed as soon as the ref put the whistle to his gob it was a stampede if you didn't run you would be trampled. Ovations at the final whistle had to be earned in those days and they were few and far between, the players didn't walk around clapping the fans or doing the fake badge kissing bullshit they do today they played the game because they loved it more than the pay pockets today's lot enjoy. If it upsets them so much that one or two don't stay to have a circle wank with them then I feel sorry for the poor little lambs, time for them to man up and get on with what they are handsomely paid to do and remember those watching don't earn their size of weekly wage in a year and many have to go without other things to just go and watch.
Just a bit of perspective for CW and the players.

My idea of a 'melt' or 'snowflake' is someone who leaves early to avoid traffic when they have nothing to rush for. Can't be that bothered about the match. We expect the players to give us 100% until the whistle goes, the same should go for us fans. Also back in the day more people waited until the ref blew his whistle then piled out, some of us waited a bit for the rush to clear, as far as I remember there was not this mass stream of people walking out on 86 mins like now. Snowflakes.

 

[Birley Blade]

My idea of a 'melt' or 'snowflake' is someone who leaves early to avoid traffic when they have nothing to rush for. Can't be that bothered about the match. We expect the players to give us 100% until the whistle goes, the same should go for us fans. Also back in the day more people waited until the ref blew his whistle then piled out, some of us waited a bit for the rush to clear, as far as I remember there was not this mass stream of people walking out on 86 mins like now. Snowflakes.

You mean YOU think they’ve got nothing to rush for? I leave around 85th to go for a fucking pint so I’m not queueing all bastard week. So if you or Wilder’s got a problem with it, I’ll Si thi at back of queue.

 

[Cheesebored]

So what if it takes you 10 mins to get out?

Sat in South stand looking towards goal, watching our team piling on the pressure to get a match winning goal - and behind the goal, people are streaming out.

Must have annoyed the players. They kept going til the 93rd minute. And could maybe have got that goal - which several hundred fans would have misse

If you think the players, from the 80th minute, are studying the exits to see what the crowds are doing I believe you are mistaken. If several hundred people miss a last minute goal then more fool them.

 

[madeinsheffield]

Losing 5-0 and showing no heart then fair enough, it was 1-1 and we were pushing on. We’ve waited years to see Premier football, not had a game for a couple of weeks and fans are willing to miss seeing us maybe get the winner that keeps us in contention for Europe?? Why? I get that a handful may have to get to a train but that’s it

 

[metalblade]

Oh, the irony... So it's not being a snowflake to storm out of the ground having a hissy-fit because we are not winning...? And as for being trampled in the old days because of the 4.40 stampede - it made far more sense to wait 5 minutes to find out results from games elsewhere (the bus home didn't have a wifi connection), and then stroll out of the ground without being crushed. The better option to miss the crush is still waiting 5 minutes (but keep it quiet, or that will mean everyone will stay). And it even allows moments of fun, like welcoming a group of West Ham players back onto the pitch for their warm-down. And (forgive me if I have not understood your irony), but if it upset me that much that players today are pampered and overpaid (which they are), I think I would look for a different way to spend Saturday afternoons (and Monday evenings, Sunday lunchtimes, etc.). It's probably not good for your health.

I don't think CW was talking about fans having a hissy fit as you call it, I suspect you are picking up on what one poster wrote in this thread. Just for your information is doesn't upset me that players are as you say pampered and overpaid it is what it is. What does offend me is that someone tells the fans how they should support the club to be seen as a bigger blade when he know nothing at all of their private lives, sacrifices to afford to watch their team or reason why they can't hang around for 5 minutes. As for the 4.40 stampede we didn't play 3, 4 or even 8mins extra time 50 yeas ago and then fuck about clapping a player parade people had busses to catch few had the luxury of jumping in a nice warm car with heated seat to roast their plums.

So what if it takes you 10 mins to get out?

Sat in South stand looking towards goal, watching our team piling on the pressure to get a match winning goal - and behind the goal, people are streaming out.

Must have annoyed the players. They kept going til the 93rd minute. And could maybe have got that goal - which several hundred fans would have misse

Wow if the players see and are upset by the sight of a few leaving early then they are not concentrating on the game and are bigger Snowflakes than even I imagined

My idea of a 'melt' or 'snowflake' is someone who leaves early to avoid traffic when they have nothing to rush for. Can't be that bothered about the match. We expect the players to give us 100% until the whistle goes, the same should go for us fans. Also back in the day more people waited until the ref blew his whistle then piled out, some of us waited a bit for the rush to clear, as far as I remember there was not this mass stream of people walking out on 86 mins like now. Snowflakes.

The difference being the players are paid very well to do what they do supporters pay to watch them and it is their choice when to leave the ground. I don't ever leave before the end and also I don't get upset over people that do it is their choice they have their reasons but I don't worry about why they go early nor do I judge people when I know nothing of their lives, maybe more people should be more concerned about their lives and less about people they know nothing about. It fucks me off when people think they have a right to tell others how they should support their club and that includes Chris Wilder. Criticism of fans is a bit like jumping on a bobsleigh once it starts sliding down the hill you have very little in the way of brakes to stop it.

 

[corner_flag]

Supporters' frustration made them leave early and Wilder's frustration made him slag them off on the radio.

Just different ways of showing frustration I suppose.

But why leave when they were clearly still going all out to get the win?
I like to sit at the front where you can see players faces and hear them breathe. Those players were still giving it 100% till the very last second

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

But why leave when they were clearly still going all out to get the win?
I like to sit at the front where you can see players faces and hear them breathe. Those players were still giving it 100% till the very last second

In the post you replied to, I was on about the non clappers not the 84th minute leavers, my bad.

I agree that it's an odd thing to do when people leave before the full time whistle. But some people have their reasons that they just can't face the moving crowds or standing traffic. Odd but fair.

The thing that's pissed me off is the bit about staying to clap them off. A lot of people do it, I do it, a lot of people don't. However, it is generally a spontaneous thing, an expression of joy or appreciation. It didn't warrant it either way on Saturday. Neither the fans or players were arsed. It is purely Wilder's ego and mood that has made it an issue.

At Palace for example, there was a right love in due to a hard fought win and a bit of excitement about Berge etc. It was spontaneous and natural and beautiful. There was no call for it on Saturday.

Wilder had a dig at everybody. He wanted the press and everyone else to repeat the good things they've already been saying. He wants the fans to stay behind and sing his name. He's becoming a bit of a narcissist after all the adulation he's had. He needs to gather himself and act like the leader he is. The doubters and detractors have stopped and the praise will eventually stop. He needs to deal with the two the same way.

 

[finlaytheblade]

You mean YOU think they’ve got nothing to rush for? I leave around 85th to go for a fucking pint so I’m not queueing all bastard week. So if you or Wilder’s got a problem with it, I’ll Si thi at back of queue.

You've every right to leave early for a pint Birley !.Its not as though we were playing badly the winner could have come at any moment and the celebrations would have been fantastic you would have missed all that for the sake of a pint ( pubs open all day now Birley)?.
I take it your a big blade ! I cant understand any body leaving the game early when we were pushing for a winner.
I accept there maybe reasons some leave ( family.health etc)cant see why people like yourself go early !its great to celebrate a late winning goal .
It was frustrating watching us and not scoring ! What we as fans have seen since CWAK came in is quite something with the squad we have and Wilder was irked because some fans gave up the ghost when we were really pushing.

 

[Booker4]

In the post you replied to, I was on about the non clappers not the 84th minute leavers, my bad.

I agree that it's an odd thing to do when people leave before the full time whistle. But some people have their reasons that they just can't face the moving crowds or standing traffic. Odd but fair.

t, a lot of people don't. However, it is generally a spontaneous thing, an expression of joy or appreciation. It didn't warrant it either way on Saturday. Neither the fans or players were arsed. It is purely Wilder's ego and mood that has made it an issue.

At Palace for example, there was a right love in due to a hard fought win and a bit of excitement about Berge etc. It was spontaneous and natural and beautiful. There was no call for it on Saturday.

Wilder had a dig at everybody. He wanted the press and everyone else to repeat the good things they've already been saying. He wants the fans to stay behind and sing his name. He's becoming a bit of a narcissist after all the adulation he's had. He needs to gather himself and act like the leader he is. The doubters and detractors have stopped and the praise will eventually stop. He needs to deal with the two the same way.

Wilder's become a bit of a narcissist?! Sorry Keef but isn't Wilder entitled to his opinion the same as anyone else? Wider can be emotional at times and I think that is one of the reasons he's such a good manager and we as fans relate to him so much. He never said he wanted the fans to stay later to sing his name, he wanted the fans to stay after the game to give their appreciation to them not to him.

What a set of fucking Snowflakes we are becoming, oooo someone's leaving early, ooooo they can't be a big blade like me, ooooo they are leaving early and blocking my view ........... Huh most people are stood up on the kop anyway you fucking melts, ooooo we must stay and clap the players off or the poor precious little darlings will be upset and feel unloved ............... do me a fucking favour CW and shut the fuck up.
Never watched football in the 60's 70's some of you lot? At 4.40pm the exits would be packed as soon as the ref put the whistle to his gob it was a stampede if you didn't run you would be trampled. Ovations at the final whistle had to be earned in those days and they were few and far between, the players didn't walk around clapping the fans or doing the fake badge kissing bullshit they do today they played the game because they loved it more than the pay pockets today's lot enjoy. If it upsets them so much that one or two don't stay to have a circle wank with them then I feel sorry for the poor little lambs, time for them to man up and get on with what they are handsomely paid to do and remember those watching don't earn their size of weekly wage in a year and many have to go without other things to just go and watch.
Just a bit of perspective for CW and the players.

I get where you're coming from Metal but I'm one of those that finds it annoying when people leave to not clap, I don't think that makes me a bigger Blade if I stay or I'm a snowflake, but I think it's a matter of opinion that I'm entitled to.

You're right that players are paid great sums to play and we as fans can only dream of, but that's am irrelevance in my book because its whether we want to clap them off when they come to clap us, or whether we chose to leave on the whistle or before the players get to our particular stand. When I was younger and we lost or played badly I'd walk out on the whistle in frustration, but now I'm a bit wiser - I like to think - I'll always clap the players if they've given their all and that's guaranteed under Wilder. I think its in our interests as fans that the players feel we really appreciate their efforts as much as possible, and personally l I think staying to clap is one of the ways we can do that.

 

[Bladesman]

In the post you replied to, I was on about the non clappers not the 84th minute leavers, my bad.

I agree that it's an odd thing to do when people leave before the full time whistle. But some people have their reasons that they just can't face the moving crowds or standing traffic. Odd but fair.

The thing that's pissed me off is the bit about staying to clap them off. A lot of people do it, I do it, a lot of people don't. However, it is generally a spontaneous thing, an expression of joy or appreciation. It didn't warrant it either way on Saturday. Neither the fans or players were arsed. It is purely Wilder's ego and mood that has made it an issue.

At Palace for example, there was a right love in due to a hard fought win and a bit of excitement about Berge etc. It was spontaneous and natural and beautiful. There was no call for it on Saturday.

Wilder had a dig at everybody. He wanted the press and everyone else to repeat the good things they've already been saying. He wants the fans to stay behind and sing his name. He's becoming a bit of a narcissist after all the adulation he's had. He needs to gather himself and act like the leader he is. The doubters and detractors have stopped and the praise will eventually stop. He needs to deal with the two the same way.

I was trying to work out who Wilder was really taking aim at on Saturday. Giddings or whoever interviewed him on RS was trying to coax it out of him.

Not sure it was the fans not staying to clap the team. I reckon it is the media he wanted to have a pop at but he didn't want to go into a full blown rant about it.

 

[Tarqs]

I can’t stand people who constantly turn up late for kickoff, fuck off 5 mins before half time for a pie, come back late and then leave early. What is the point in coming to the game if you’re going to miss 25% of it eating a pie finishing your pint and having a pie. If getting to your car early to avoid 10 mins of traffic is more important to you than watching the end of the game then I wish you would just stay at home. This is genuinely the main reason why I moved from the Kop to the Westfield Corner as the low pitch of the Kop meant that people moving around was constantly blocking my view and I chose a new seat on the far end of a row so that nobody can walk in front of me to get to their seat during play.

Staying behind to clap the players off is a completely different story though. Id say only about 25% of the crowd regularly do this and that’s fair enough for me. I don’t always do so and it depends on how I feel the performance was. Yesterday I was massively frustrated with our inability to find a way past Brighton’s bus through lack of creativity and pace up front, some appaling crossing and some abject finishing when the few chances came. I also found the Mousset non substation baffling and frustrating. The ref only playing 3 mins injury time when there had been 5 substitutions, 4 mins of feigning injury after the 80th min and constant time wasting from their keeper pushed me over edge (there should have genuinely been at least 6 mins) so I stormed off following the final whistle.

I'm on the Westfield corner and he same bloke guaranteed week in week out turns up about 20 mins into the game absolutely sozzled. Sometimes he'll not even turn up for the second half, if he does he leaves with about 15 mins left.

Bizarre!

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

I was trying to work out who Wilder was really taking aim at on Saturday. Giddings or whoever interviewed him on RS was trying to coax it out of him.

Not sure it was the fans not staying to clap the team. I reckon it is the media he wanted to have a pop at but he didn't want to go into a full blown rant about it.

I don't know either, something has got up his nose.

I think it's poor to call the supporters out though, especially as it was no different to all the other home games. Definitely wasn't noticably emptier than usual when the players were "showing their appreciation".

Only difference on Saturday to any other home game was Wilder's emotional state, not the supporters.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

Full time is on 9 minutes. It's all edited but shows the usual sequence of events, except the Kop reception (probably thought better of it)....
Players shake hands, pat each other on the back.
Go over to family and friends in Family Stand, give them a clap and a wave.
Have a little chat with your mates while doing a forced little clap and do a short lap of the pitch.
When the whistle blows, the background is the South Stand and it hardly moves and is still full.
At the end when Billy is greeting his teammates off the pitch, the camera pans over to the Kop a little bit and it's obvious that there's no more empty seats than normal.
There's also plenty of people still on the South Stand clapping them off, this is about 5 or 6 minutes after the game's finished.
Is it worth staying back?