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Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
I'm horseshittingly blue in the face pointing out I'd be OK & not shit losing if it was Lino Flag. It's up to The Big Prinz & his Besties now......
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I'm very happy with the Lino's flag, not sure that I'm not indeared with VAR has come across.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
Aaahhh I see. There are a lot more "moving parts" in football.
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The distances are a lot less and relatively fixed so the front on camera only has to be accurate within an an angle of about a yard from 22 yards. Judging offsides at the moment is like having that camera at long on
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
You're starting to grasp it, horseshit.
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The Carrier Bag Firm are a SOLUTIONS outfit. If I can understand the frame rate baloney, then I'll SpeedDial Hawkeye with my solution. I solved just such a modelling problem to revolutionise how you measure the effectiveness of malaria reducing chemicals in West Africa.
 
anglian blade said:
The distances are a lot less and relatively fixed so the front on camera only has to be accurate within an an angle of about a yard from 22 yards. Judging offsides at the moment is like having that camera at long on
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I'm sure, like me, you're happy to call LBWs from square leg.......
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
The Carrier Bag Firm are a SOLUTIONS outfit. If I can understand the frame rate baloney, then I'll SpeedDial Hawkeye with my solution. I solved just such a modelling problem to revolutionise how you measure the effectiveness of malaria reducing chemicals in West Africa.
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Did you flag that up yourself or did you send it to some anonymous hut somewhere to make your mind up for you?
 
Still looking for a Frame Rate expert to help me out. Is it just about what frame you choose for "the ball on the passer's foot"? Out of my depth here.....
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
Can I ask, as I don't understand, is the frame rate point just related to "what frame you choose"? Or is there a frame rate problem AFTER you've chosen your frame.
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The problem the amount of frames from which you choose. 1/50th of a second might seem a small amount of time, but a lot happens in that amount of time when it comes to motion.

I have a high speed camera on my phone so here's some examples, I dropped a penny sweet and freeze framed a screen from different frame rates.

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60 is higher than what the Prem have and it's a streaky blur.

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120 FPS is better, but there's still a clear issue with blurring.

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At 960 FPS you're at a point where there's very little blur disguising the objects position, but the Premier League is using footage almost a twentieth as clear.
 
Like many, not a fan of it myself

Unfortunately, the only way for this to end, difficult as it would be to achieve, is for somebody (a club or a technology rival) to install one or more high resolution, super slow-motion (high fps) cameras at pitch side and be lucky enough to capture something in line that categorically proves VAR is innacurate in an offside decision due to its technical inadequacies. We all know the science but until somebody can prove it with unequivocal video proof then the PGMOL will continue to hide behind the ambiguity and be unchallengable due to knowing that the rest of us only have the same blurred, low framerate, badly-angled broadcast video available to us as they do so can prove nothing either way

With the money involved in the Premier League and relative low cost of such higher quality cameras (which could also serve other purposes such as providing footage for things like the "Behind the scenes" style alternative highlight matchday videos United produce), it's not too difficult to think that somebody may decide to do this at some point in preparation for inevitably being on the wrong end of one of these decisions at some point down the line
 

bromtom said:
The problem the amount of frames from which you choose. 1/50th of a second might seem a small amount of time, but a lot happens in that amount of time when it comes to motion.

I have a high speed camera on my phone so here's some examples, I dropped a penny sweet and freeze framed a screen from different frame rates.

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60 is higher than what the Prem have and it's a streaky blur.

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120 FPS is better, but there's still a clear issue with blurring.

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At 960 FPS you're at a point where there's very little blur disguising the objects position, but the Premier League is using footage almost a twentieth as clear.
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Thanks, confirms it's horseshit.
 
bromtom said:
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At 960 FPS you're at a point where there's very little blur disguising the objects position, but the Premier League is using footage almost a twentieth as clear.
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Thanks. Any given single frame may be blurred depending on the FPS of the camera & the speed of the subjects. Is that a "sensible summary"?
 
sheff_blade90 said:
its getting tougher to keep trying to not repeat yourself & go around in circles. because we are coming into a yr since 1st offside controversy in derby v Southampton in fa cup 3rd round replay, I will say I think Var is working on the most part the Manchester derby is a good example but the problem is that offside is overshadowing everything we no longer talk about football we talk about VAR. I believe if they take offside out of the VAR jurisdiction then I would you remove 95% maybe even 100% of the problem that fans have with the new system.

football would go back to normal. because outside of offsides I can think of a problem with it
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So you'd be well happy with all the attacker and defender handball bollocks.
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
So you'd be well happy with all the attacker and defender handball bollocks.
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yes that was an issue espically in man city v Tottenham game in august & Brighton on 21st but as long they took it back to the deliberate handball rule
 
My personal favourite is technology based.

Those with 50k+ loyalty points (ie most likely to be at away games) to be issued with a pre loaded limbs & all that celebration holographic avatar. This to be triggered when a "goal" is scored. In the hope it cuts down on all the dick swinging, I love to celebrate me, snowflake, it's not fair, whining.

And ..... jokey face emoji thing ... before shit gets lost
 
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I’m mates with a Liverpool fan who peddles the ‘yeah but it’s the correct decision’ bullshit after every VAR incident.
He thinks I’m being a sore loser based on the fact that so many have gone against us (as above) - maybe he’s got a point, maybe I hate VAR because it’s (so far) disproportionately harmed my team.

But actually, it’s not that - When we scored against Spurs and also yesterday against City, their own fans were basically embarrassed to have benefitted from such a ridiculous call and this is what I believe we are bothered about - Its ruining the game and when even opponents who benefit from decisions are slating it, something has to be wrong.
 
Anyone else seen the article from the guy at IFAB? Basically saying that the FA/premier league are not using it correctly for marginal offsides.
 
The worst was Lundstram's goal where the ball was cleared back out and should have reset before it was brought back in. As Wilder stated how far back do you roll it to rule an offside.
 

Toronto Blade said:
The worst was Lundstram's goal where the ball was cleared back out and should have reset before it was brought back in. As Wilder stated how far back do you roll it to rule an offside.
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The van Dijk 1, even if he had touched his arm, which it didn't. The ref said it was too far back in the move to have any relevance. Can't make it up.
 
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