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Has there ever been a striker in the Premier League history who has played the majority of matches for his team but failed to score by the end of the season? I'm starting to think Didsy might be the first.

That said, at least he had a shot go over the bar today, instead of straight at the keeper in the middle.

I feel for the guy, I really do, he deserves better for his quality and effort, but not scoring isn't down to bad luck, he's a poor finisher. Simple as.

I hope it happens for him, I really do.
 

sonofbruce said:
Has there ever been a striker in the Premier League history who has played the majority of matches for his team but failed to score by the end of the season? I'm starting to think Didsy might be the first.

That said, at least he had a shot go over the bar today, instead of straight at the keeper in the middle.

I feel for the guy, I really do, he deserves better for his quality and effort, but not scoring isn't down to bad luck, he's a poor finisher. Simple as.

I hope it happens for him, I really do.
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He didn't do too bad last year as a finisher. Given his all round contribution, and the fact he is helping others, and creating chances for himself, I'm not too worried.
He's also forging a good partnership with Moose.
 
He needs a goal, he's got in his own head about it no doubt, and no matter how much support he's getting from us and the rest of the staff at United, the goal is what he needs.

His contribution is still hugely important though.
 
Charlieblade said:
He didn't do too bad last year as a finisher. Given his all round contribution, and the fact he is helping others, and creating chances for himself, I'm not too worried.
He's also forging a good partnership with Moose.
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He's always had a bad miss in him (Rotherham away and Leeds at home spring to mind), it's just that he put his fair share away last year as well.
 
Guesty said:
He's always had a bad miss in him (Rotherham away and Leeds at home spring to mind), it's just that he put his fair share away last year as well.
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Darius Henderson got 3 in 35 for Watford in the PL. He must be able to get past that.

Just not happening. The misheader he should have smashed that in as well as the one on the right being a decent chance. Last week he could have wrapped it up vs Wolves with a couple not to mention the late chance vs Newcastle, he made such a poor effort of it, if he'd cuaght it anywhere near right it would have had a good chance of being a goal.

The good thing is that our system allows goals from all over - 2 wing backs yesterday, Fleck against Man U and Burnley, Lundstram vs Burnley. We're not a team that relies on booting it up to 2 forwards who score all the goals.

It will come. Frustrating as it may be for all, him more than anyone, the team is so much better with him in it. As I keep mentioning, if he was clinical like Sharp has been in his career, coupled with his overall game, he'd be playing for a Champions League club, not us.

Keep going David lad, we're all behind you and we'll share in your joy when you do notch!
 
Contrary to some people's opinion , I felt it was a must win game against Norwich ..lose at home to teams like Southampton and Newcastle , you simply must negate that away somewhere ..job done
Delighted Sheff Utd won , but it how much longer can you realistically rely on defenders and midfielder's to do what the forwards should be doing ?? .it is unrealistic it think that will continue and Mcgoldricks woeful incompetence in front of goal would surely have been punished by a better side than Norwich?
All the support for him is to be respected , but this isn't personal , its business and I only hope come January , Chris Wilder doesn't , out of loyalty and blind faith let's Mcgoldricks true level of ability cloud his judgement
Forwards are paid to score goals , something McGoldrick has never done on to a required level , aside from a very handy contribution last season ..the simple truth is , he isn't good enough
Sheffield United sat pretty up the table in 2007 before a rotten last 10 games and not enough goals ultimately proved to be their downfall
I truly hope lessons from that have been learned
Right , I spot some Pitchforked Villagers on their way over .. I'm off !! 😁
 
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sonofbruce said:
Has there ever been a striker in the Premier League history who has played the majority of matches for his team but failed to score by the end of the season?
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On a similar theme...

10+ league games as a forward in a Blades season this century without scoring:

21 games (10 starts, 11 sub) - Rob Hulse 2007-8
18 games (2 starts, 16 sub) - James Beattie 2011-12
19 games (13 starts, 6 sub) - Jamie Ward 2010-11
15 games (3 starts, 12 sub) - Conor Washington 2018-19
14 games (10 starts, 4 sub) - Febian Brandy 2013-14
13 games (11 starts, 2 sub) - David McGoldrick 2019-20 (so far)
13 games (3 starts, 10 sub) - Jon Newby 2000-1
13 games (6 starts, 7 sub) - Billy Paynter 2013-14
13 games (5 starts, 8 sub) - Shaun Miller 2013-14
12 games (1 start, 11 sub) - Jack Lester 2004-05
12 games (1 start, 11 sub) - Joe Ironside 2013-14
11 games (4 start, 7 sub) - Marcus Bent 2010-11
10 games (5 start, 5 sub) - Che Adams 2014-15

A few notes:
  • we had 3 of these guys in the same season, which is perhaps not surprising when you are managed by David Weir, who didn't know what he was doing, and Nigel Clough, who was a good forward himself but couldn't get forwards to score goals if his life depended on it.
  • Che Adams was the only one of these players ever to score for us again after the "drought" season.
  • it's probably a stretch to call Brandy and Ward forwards but that's what Soccerbase is going with.
  • Hulse missed more chances in the games against Blackpool and Crystal Palace over Christmas 2007 than McGoldrick has missed all season. His playing in place of Jon Stead was a massive factor in our just missing the playoffs
  • Beattie and Bent were of course on their second tours with us. Beattie not only missed sitters at MK Dons and v Stevenage but got stupidly sent off twice, missing the playoffs as a result.
  • Febian Brandy was also sent off twice in the same season
  • Hulse, Miller and Lester were all coming back from bad injuries
  • Ward and Miller did score in the same season in the FA Cup, and Adams scored twice in the League Cup semi final of course.

Here's hoping Didzy gets himself off this list sharpish.

Finally, an honourable mention for Wayne Allison in 2003-4. Chief featured in 39 league games - 14 starts, 25 sub appearances - and scored only once. He did, however, manage 2 goals in the FA Cup in the same season. His only league goal was against Palace in August. He failed to score in his last 36 league games.
 
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DerbyDave said:
Contrary to some people's opinion , I felt it was a must win game against Norwich ..lose at home to teams like Southampton and Newcastle , you simply must negate that away somewhere ..job done
Delighted Sheff Utd won , but it how much longer can you realistically rely on defenders and midfielder's to do what the forwards should be doing ?? .it is unrealistic it think that will continue and Mcgoldricks woeful incompetence in front of goal would surely have been punished by a better side than Norwich?
All the support for him is to be respected , but this isn't personal , its business and I only hope come January , Chris Wilder doesn't , out of loyalty and blind faith let's Mcgoldricks true level of ability cloud his judgement
Forwards are paid to score goals , something McGoldrick has never done on to a required level , aside from a very handy contribution last season ..the simple truth is , he isn't good enough
Sheffield United sat pretty up the table in 2007 before a rotten last 10 games and not enough goals ultimately proved to be their downfall
I truly hope lessons from that have been learned
Right , I spot some Pitchforked Villagers on their way over .. I'm off !! 😁
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Firstly, our position in the table, and current points hall would indicate no game at this stage is a "must win".
Secondly, we will keep allowing our other outfield players to "do what the forwards should be doing" as long as we need to; our tactics/formation finds us with defenders and midfielders breaking into the box regularly, so they may as well be contributing in terms of goals.
Thirdly, McGoldrick's "woeful incompetence" has been on display against in plenty of other games, against better teams than Norwich, and we've still managed to get results.
Fourthly, comparisons to 2007 are misguided. We're now a far better team, we're getting way more points per games, and we actually have some sort of away record now (which was our problem in 2007, rather than a lack of goals or a shit last 10 games)
Finally, yes, lessons have been learned.

Best of luck this season. I'm sure this year will be your year: has to happen eventually, right?
 
We disagree ..that's fine ..all part of healthy forum debate
Whilst your last sentence probably lacks sincerity .forgive me if I'm wrong ..no, this season won't be our year ..it's painful quite honestly ..still , I shall go to heaven or hell having witnessed 2 League Titles in my lifetime .. I shall depart this Earth pretty content ...and I'd love to see Sheffield United win one too ..although the competition is not as fair and open to many as it used to be
 
sonofbruce said:
Has there ever been a striker in the Premier League history who has played the majority of matches for his team but failed to score by the end of the season? I'm starting to think Didsy might be the first.

That said, at least he had a shot go over the bar today, instead of straight at the keeper in the middle.
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Instead of straight up in the air, vertically at 90 degrees, like the one in front of the kop v Newcastle you mean?
 
DerbyDave said:
Contrary to some people's opinion , I felt it was a must win game against Norwich ..lose at home to teams like Southampton and Newcastle , you simply must negate that away somewhere ..job done
Delighted Sheff Utd won , but it how much longer can you realistically rely on defenders and midfielder's to do what the forwards should be doing ?? .it is unrealistic it think that will continue and Mcgoldricks woeful incompetence in front of goal would surely have been punished by a better side than Norwich?
All the support for him is to be respected , but this isn't personal , its business and I only hope come January , Chris Wilder doesn't , out of loyalty and blind faith let's Mcgoldricks true level of ability cloud his judgement
Forwards are paid to score goals , something McGoldrick has never done on to a required level , aside from a very handy contribution last season ..the simple truth is , he isn't good enough
Sheffield United sat pretty up the table in 2007 before a rotten last 10 games and not enough goals ultimately proved to be their downfall
I truly hope lessons from that have been learned
Right , I spot some Pitchforked Villagers on their way over .. I'm off !! 😁
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Why the obsession with Mcgoldrick. Connor Sammon scored 10 goals in nearly 100 appearances for you and wasn't fit to lace Mcgoldricks boots. I'd be more concerned about Derbys continued failure than Mcgoldricks lack of goals if were I you.
 
Kanye said:
Firstly, our position in the table, and current points hall would indicate no game at this stage is a "must win".
Secondly, we will keep allowing our other outfield players to "do what the forwards should be doing" as long as we need to; our tactics/formation finds us with defenders and midfielders breaking into the box regularly, so they may as well be contributing in terms of goals.
Thirdly, McGoldrick's "woeful incompetence" has been on display against in plenty of other games, against better teams than Norwich, and we've still managed to get results.
Fourthly, comparisons to 2007 are misguided. We're now a far better team, we're getting way more points per games, and we actually have some sort of away record now (which was our problem in 2007, rather than a lack of goals or a shit last 10 games)
Finally, yes, lessons have been learned.

Best of luck this season. I'm sure this year will be your year: has to happen eventually, right?
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Agree totally with your first point - no game is a "must win" at this stage.

Agree totally with your second point - the way we play we are bound to see goals coming from other outfield players.

Totally baffled by your third point though? The discussion is about whether McGoldrick is good enough when it comes to scoring goals - he isn't I'm afraid. The fact we have managed to get results when he's played in the team is not under debate - he's a very good footballer and makes a big contribution to the team - but we should expect that he contributes more in terms of goals, especially given the number of chances he has, he is, after all playing in the role of striker. There's no defending that I'm afraid, however much we may appreciate the wider contribution that he makes to the team.

Agree that comparisons to 2007 are misguided, but purely because these are two totally different sets of circumstances. There is a general point that the guy is making about the importance of putting chances away, which goes without saying really. But what he's saying is that we need to improve in this department - and he's correct about that. Although it's easier to talk about it than fix it. But if one of your main two strikers is "woeful" in front of goal - and I'd agree with that choice of words - then we absolutely must find an alternative. Maybe play McGoldrick in a deeper role behind the striker/s where we can benefit from his skills and creativity but not be dependent so much on his finishing?

I think most of these things are obvious and I'd be amazed if this wasn't a top priority for Wilder to address in January. Whether he will be backed to do so is the only question mark for me - but if he isn't then history could indeed repeat itself. There's still a lot of games left to go and a run of two or three defeats in this league can drastically change the league position - which also changes the confidence in the side. So, looking to constantly improve is the only way forward - and I'm certain that Wilder will not let his judgement for the need for a new striker be clouded by the other good things that McGoldrick can do.
 
No obsession with McGoldrick . But as a striker with zero goals by mid December , I'd have thought that warrants some discussion
Conor bloody Salmon ? not really relevant other than he's possibly the worst ever player to play for Derby/ Sheffield United

As for concerns about Derby ...plenty ..that is not the topic of discussion ..I am on your bloody side ..I'd have thought quite a few posts would have indicated that by now , or are you so insular , nobody who rocks up to Bramall Lane every week is allowed an opinion?
I just want to see SUFC survive ..no more hard luck stories ..and survival means making tough calls , being hard nosed ..there is no room for sickening sentimentality
Would like to add Yewsman makes an excellent point regarding the Mcgoldrick disallowed goal at Spurs .. probably the worst decision of the season .. I was in a Bangkok bar watching ..turned my back and returned to my Singha in satisfaction United had equalised ..was genuinely shocked the goal was ruled out ..yep totally fair comment
 
He needs to have a word with our wing backs. Enda’s header was textbook and Baldock’s was such an individually made goal.
 

Cerberus Blade said:
Totally baffled by your third point though? The discussion is about whether McGoldrick is good enough when it comes to scoring goals - he isn't I'm afraid. The fact we have managed to get results when he's played in the team is not under debate - he's a very good footballer and makes a big contribution to the team - but we should expect that he contributes more in terms of goals, especially given the number of chances he has, he is, after all playing in the role of striker. There's no defending that I'm afraid, however much we may appreciate the wider contribution that he makes to the team.
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Why is the discussion only about goals?

And yes, he should be scoring more goals, I'm not defending his record. I'm defending his value to us as a footballer.
While it would be bloody useful if he found his scoring boots, it's clearly not essential: we are a successful, good side, without his goals.

I agree that Wilder will be looking for an ultimate replacement, the same can be said about every position though. If I was Wilder I would be more worried about providing cover at centre half, full-back and midfield before support striker.
 
Kanye said:
Why is the discussion only about goals?

And yes, he should be scoring more goals, I'm not defending his record. I'm defending his value to us as a footballer.
While it would be bloody useful if he found his scoring boots, it's clearly not essential: we are a successful, good side, without his goals.

I agree that Wilder will be looking for an ultimate replacement, the same can be said about every position though. If I was Wilder I would be more worried about providing cover at centre half, full-back and midfield before support striker.
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Some fair points there mate. I think we need more options in all areas. I just want us to sign a winger. I used to be one myself back in the day and I want to imagine it’s me I’m watching.😉
 
I noticed Wilder looked pissed off with him when he came off and didnt shake his hand.

Hes just trying too hard now he needs a tap in to get going
 

BiggerBladeThanThou said:
It what world is a striker okayed to not score a single goal in a season? World's gone fucking mad.
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It's a bit like saying, "I don't care if the keeper never makes another save". If you are playing a guy as a striker, I'm sorry to be so old-fashioned about this, but you expect him to score goals. If he isn't doing that, due to being out of form or just incapable, then you replace him with someone who is. It's too important a position to fill it with someone who can't hit a barn door. That doesn't mean the player has to be dropped, but they need to be utilised in a position that makes better use of their abilities. The reason why McGoldrick gets in the team is because he makes a fabulous contribution to it, across the park. The reason he gets in the team as a striker is? I honestly don't know, but it doesn't say much for the others who are behind him in terms of selection. That's why I think this is going to be an area that we look to strengthen in Jan as a priority.
 
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