VAR avoiding decisions

[A Storm of Blades]

Must be a foul then

I mean, it WAS a foul and led DIRECTLY to a goal. I don’t see why we can’t ask the question about what VAR is for, if not that?

 

[stringer]

I think it was, in fairness. Don’t you?

Could have been given, I wasn’t spitting when it wasn’t. Not sure it was clear and obvious (well, it can’t have been)

I mean, it WAS a foul and led DIRECTLY to a goal. I don’t see why we can’t ask the question about what VAR is for, if not that?

It’s for clear and obvious errors. The fact not one United player even suggested it was a foul suggests it wasn’t.

 

[Sheffsteel]

What’s the difference between a accidental flick on the arm and two hands pushing the defender down to get a better leap , ridiculous.
VAR is a joke

Pre VAR was a joke, that’s why it was brought in, so that there’s no factual errors anymore.
Things are definitely better but agree still need to improve.....but it’s early days for VAR and no doubt it will evolve.

My concern from watching the recent men and women’s World Cup is that if VAR is applied to a vey strict level
Then there’s pushing and shoving at every corner, so could be 3 or 4 penalties every match.
However the PL have already said they are NOT going to set a high threshold, so in general VAR will agree with the ref unless it’s a howler.

Regards the Leicester 2nd goal using a player for leverage is part of the game, Sharp does clever little pushes and shoulder barges all the time,
would have been harsh to disallow their goal but can understand why a ref might disallow it.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Could have been given, I wasn’t spitting when it wasn’t. Not sure it was clear and obvious (well, it can’t have been)


It’s for clear and obvious errors. The fact not one United player even suggested it was a foul suggests it wasn’t.

I’m not sure where a lack of appeal comes into it? We’ve all seen it, he gets unnatural height by climbing onto Egan’s back. You can see 2 hands pushing Egan down to leverage his jump. It’s a foul, surely?

 

[Akinbiyi]

Could have been given, I wasn’t spitting when it wasn’t. Not sure it was clear and obvious (well, it can’t have been)


It’s for clear and obvious errors. The fact not one United player even suggested it was a foul suggests it wasn’t.

The lack of appeal has nothing to do with it.

Clear and obvious like the two penalties that should’ve been given to City and Spurs today you mean?

 

[Paulus]

Three weeks in and in my opinion the current set up on VAR is a joke. I really don’t think they will ever set it up to make it work where it is an adjunct of the officials and an external imposition on the game. The only way I see it might possibly work is to hand it over to the managers and give them 2 challenges each like captains are given in cricket, correct challenge they keep it, incorrect the lose it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I don't know why we need refs anymore. Let the VAR man tell the the guy on the pitch what to do with all aspects of the game then there are 100% no arguements.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Three weeks in and in my opinion the current set up on VAR is a joke. I really don’t think they will ever set it up to make it work where it is an adjunct of the officials and an external imposition on the game. The only way I see it might possibly work is to hand it over to the managers and give them 2 challenges each like captains are given in cricket, correct challenge they keep it, incorrect the lose it.

Having challenges would make football like a game show.....would be a farce....but funny.

There is no need for any challenges because every single goal is automatically VAR’d, also all major incidents and potential sendings off are VAR’ed every match.

3 weeks in and it’s already made many more correct decisions than without VAR.
Also noticed that managers aren’t complaining as much and there’s now little dissent regards decisions.
They asked Pochettino about the Spurs 3 penalty appeals. Posh said all 3 were checked by VAR and he trusts their decision, so has no issues.
Overall it’s been a big success but isn’t perfect and sine issues still need clearing up.
But to be honest anything involving judgement, when some things on a football pitch are 50/50 will be difficult.

The Harry Kane penalty incident was a perfect example, in the studio 1 said definite penalty, whilst 2 others said no penalty.
There was definite minor contact suggesting a penalty Kane did seem to be inviting the challenge, lost his balance then went down. It’s tricky even with VAR.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Three weeks in and in my opinion the current set up on VAR is a joke. I really don’t think they will ever set it up to make it work where it is an adjunct of the officials and an external imposition on the game. The only way I see it might possibly work is to hand it over to the managers and give them 2 challenges each like captains are given in cricket, correct challenge they keep it, incorrect the lose it.

That’s the only way it will work

 

[Sheffsteel]

I don't know why we need refs anymore. Let the VAR man tell the the guy on the pitch what to do with all aspects of the game then there are 100% no arguements.

What about the 50/50 incidents which there are loads of each match. Does the VAR man tell the ref, they don’t know?
I don’t understand the problem. Don’t think VAR was ever meant to get every single decision right because even after looking at loads of replays experts in the studio still can’t agree on a decision, so there will still be some controversy even under VAR.

What VAR does do is help the ref by massively cutting down the number of bad errors.
Also as I said there’s now more respect towards the ref from players and managers, which is a big positive.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

What about the 50/50 incidents which there are loads of each match. Does the VAR man tell the ref, they don’t know?
I don’t understand the problem. Don’t think VAR was ever meant to get every single decision right because even after looking at loads of replays experts in the studio still can’t agree on a decision, so there will still be some controversy even under VAR.

What VAR does do is help the ref by massively cutting down the number of bad errors.
Also as I said there’s now more respect towards the ref from players and managers, which is a big positive.

Yes I am saying let the VAR ref manage the game. Their 2nd goal would have been a foul, everything is fair then.

 

[Sheffsteel]

That’s the only way it will work

As I said what the point of challenges, when every goal and all major incidents are already VAR’d this season.

You suggestion risks increasing errors if you cut down the use of VAR and just rely on the ref like before.

 

[stringer]

The lack of appeal has nothing to do with it.

Clear and obvious like the two penalties that should’ve been given to City and Spurs today you mean?

Of course it does. If it was that obvious a foul why does no one even so much as ask for it?
No idea about City and Spurs and couldn’t care less, either. Cricket day today

 

[davidblade]

Pre VAR was a joke, that’s why it was brought in, so that there’s no factual errors anymore.
Things are definitely better but agree still need to improve.....but it’s early days for VAR and no doubt it will evolve.

My concern from watching the recent men and women’s World Cup is that if VAR is applied to a vey strict level
Then there’s pushing and shoving at every corner, so could be 3 or 4 penalties every match.
However the PL have already said they are NOT going to set a high threshold, so in general VAR will agree with the ref unless it’s a howler.

Regards the Leicester 2nd goal using a player for leverage is part of the game, Sharp does clever little pushes and shoulder barges all the time,
would have been harsh to disallow their goal but can understand why a ref might disallow it.

So you disallow a goal for a accidental flick on the arm that nobody saw and you allow a blatant foul an the defender that everybody but big ears saw.
if that’s not ridiculous I don’t know what is!

 

[Sheffsteel]

Yes I am saying let the VAR ref manage the game. Their 2nd goal would have been a foul, everything is fair then.

The Leicester 2nd goal was checked by VAR.

I’ve just done a google search.

Apparently VAR is checking 4 issues this season.
Every goal scored
Every penalty incident
Every red card incident
And mistaken identity issues.

 

[Akinbiyi]

Of course it does. If it was that obvious a foul why does no one even so much as ask for it?
No idea about City and Spurs and couldn’t care less, either. Cricket day today

Nobody appealed for the handball at the Etihad last week, so therefore that wasn’t clear and obvious by your view?

Interesting. Good cop out.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The Leicester 2nd goal was checked by VAR.

I’ve just done a google search.

Apparently VAR is checking 4 issues this season.
Every goal scored
Every penalty incident
Every red card incident
And mistaken identity issues.

Who was doing the VAR? Gary Lineker or Ray Charles. If VAR couldn't spot that Egan was clearly fouled then it wants fucking binning.

 

[MMBUTB]

Last season I could have accepted the ref may of missed this.

With VAR I believe there is no excuse. It’s a foul and we was robbed of a potential two points

 

[finlaytheblade]

If VAR was called up for incidents like the Egan challenge then the game is dead

No a goal was scored if the ref and the var ref saw nothing wrong with that foul on Egan then surely they are blind.
An incident with Kane this afternoon was reviewed by the var and saw no evil that was a pen all day how can the var get that one wrong,
Newcastle player stumbled and made sure Kane went down as well Dean had a poor angle ,var determined "no pen".It was an incident which could have led to a goal,Egan was man handled and a goal ensued one was reviewed the other not and goal came from it no consistency there.

 

[Sheffsteel]

So you disallow a goal for a accidental flick on the arm that nobody saw and you allow a blatant foul an the defender that everybody but big ears saw.
if that’s not ridiculous I don’t know what is!

The disallowing the Man City goal by an accidental flick wasn’t about VAR, it was about the recent law change.

VAR was a success in this situation because applied the new rule perfectly.

It’s the rule that all clubs and managers agreed before the season started, so they look stupid to argue against the rules just because it failed them.
Man City should ask for a rule change/ amendment to be brought in next season, other clubs might agree.

 

[Sheffsteel]

No a goal was scored if the ref and the var ref saw nothing wrong with that foul on Egan then surely they are blind.
An incident with Kane this afternoon was reviewed by the var and saw no evil that was a pen all day how can the var get that one wrong,
Newcastle player stumbled and made sure Kane went down as well Dean had a poor angle ,var determined "no pen".It was an incident which could have led to a goal,Egan was man handled and a goal ensued one was reviewed the other not and goal came from it no consistency there.

Not sure you understand.
EVERY single goal, penalty incident, potential sending off incident and identification issue is VAR’d this season. Check the PL rules.
Their 2nd goal was VAR’d and they obviously didn’t think it was strong enough to change the ref decision.
I was sat in the BLUT and didn’t notice a foul.....but looking at the picture it does look a foul.
However it’s been said many times never judge an incident using a picture....always best to look at it in real time....even slow motion can distort an opinion.
Do you know what......I reckon if Egan had fallen down like he’d been shot....then it would have been disallowed.
No one from our team complained either.......it shouldn’t make a difference but I reckon it can.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Clear foul as far as I'm concerned Wilder thought so too

There’s an imaginary line that the refs say a foul has to go past to be dissalowed but god knows where that line actually is?

Look at the penalties today both stone wall penalties that they didn’t change

 

[stringer]

Nobody appealed for the handball at the Etihad last week, so therefore that wasn’t clear and obvious by your view?

Interesting. Good cop out.

Don’t think that one had to be clear and obvious. It’s black and white now; it hit the attacker’s hand, so no goal.
The Egan ‘foul’ was subjective. You and CW think it was a foul, Egan and all his teammates didn’t. So can’t have been that clear nor obvious an error can it?

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

What’s the difference between a accidental flick on the arm and two hands pushing the defender down to get a better leap , ridiculous.
VAR is a joke

Because the law says if it flicks the hand in the build up to a goal it must be dissalowed

For a goal like the one yesterday there’s a threshold to change any decision

Nobody knows where this threshold is not even the refs hahah

 

[Varkanoid]

The disallowing the Man City goal by an accidental flick wasn’t about VAR, it was about the recent law change.

VAR was a success in this situation because applied the new rule perfectly.

You could argue if VAR was not used you wouldnt have seen the handball.

In yesterdays case VAR was used and they still didnt see or take action against an actionable free kick which broke a law in the rulebook.

A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:

• holds an opponent
• impedes an opponent with contact

take your pick.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Not sure you understand.
EVERY single goal, penalty incident, potential sending off incident and identification issue is VAR’d this season. Check the PL rules.
Their 2nd goal was VAR’d and they obviously didn’t think it was strong enough to change the ref decision.
I was sat in the BLUT and didn’t notice a foul.....but looking at the picture it does look a foul.
However it’s been said many times never judge an incident using a picture....always best to look at it in real time....even slow motion can distort an opinion.
Do you know what......I reckon if Egan had fallen down like he’d been shot....then it would have been disallowed.
No one from our team complained either.......it shouldn’t make a difference but I reckon it can.

Fair enough I take your point but it was a game changing incident just like a penalty can be

 

[finlaytheblade]

Don’t think that one had to be clear and obvious. It’s black and white now; it hit the attacker’s hand, so no goal.
The Egan ‘foul’ was subjective. You and CW think it was a foul, Egan and all his teammates didn’t. So can’t have been that clear nor obvious an error can it?

I think after that incident Wilder will have them appealing in such circumstances as he has said we have to cotton on to the antics premiership players get up to.No prizes for being the good guy.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Last season I could have accepted the ref may of missed this.

With VAR I believe there is no excuse. It’s a foul and we was robbed of a potential two points

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100% - VAR should make the decisions not the blind cunt in the middle. Technology beats man, no need for refs anymore and there would be no arguements.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Or the ref saw it and decided it wasn’t a foul.

Even the commentator on MOTD [sorry for watching that shite but daughter was here] said it was a foul.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Football should be a simple game, played at the same principle at every level.

The elite leagues remain the whores of the media companies. They’ve seen the financial success of the tv focus of NFL, tennis etc and want a slice, bugger the fans actually rocking up to pay and watch.

I’m not a fan of VAR because nobody been able to explain why it makes football better as a spectator sport.

Hate even the idea of VAR but if we've got to have at least get it fuckin right.