Pancrate

[mattbianco1]

Scored his first goal for Newcsatle yesterday and a quality goal too. Is that the same Pancrate that we had on trial and decided wasn't right for us?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I think he was around the same time as Camara. Didn't both of them ask for money that was deemed ridiculous at the time?

 

[davidpinder]

yes a free agent, whose agent wanted lots of cash no doubt a lot less than cresswells transfer fee though. I thought worth a risk, newcastle obviously thought so.

 

[Stafford Blade]

yes a free agent, whose agent wanted lots of cash no doubt a lot less than cresswells transfer fee though. I thought worth a risk, newcastle obviously thought so.

what is cresswell's transfer fee?

if he wanted 8 - 10 grand a week then that would probably cover cresswells fee.

 

[Bladesman]

Scored his first goal for Newcsatle yesterday and a quality goal too. Is that the same Pancrate that we had on trial and decided wasn't right for us?

Yep quality goal but certainly not the sort of player we need at the lane.

 

[Paulus]

Yep quality goal but certainly not the sort of player we need at the lane.

Why is he too good?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Jesus, every bloody time we do this. The guy did one thing, and to be honest it wasn't that great.

He's the guy who wanted a great lump of cash upfront and I also think his agent wanted a pretty penny.

If other teams want to pay over the odds then let them we can't afford the stakes at that table.

 

[Paulus]

The way it looked to me was that he, and his agent, knew that they were in a relatively strong position because he was available to sign at a time when the vast majority of players were not - Supply and Demand innit? he goes in with high demands, because plenty of teams are desperate, to see what reaction he gets. Presumably Newcastle have paid more than we were able to and he's got the deal he wanted.

I've no idea what sort of character he is but just because he works the system to get the best deal he can I don't see that automatically makes him a trouble maker.

 

[Bladesman]

Jesus, every bloody time we do this. The guy did one thing, and to be honest it wasn't that great.

He's the guy who wanted a great lump of cash upfront and I also think his agent wanted a pretty penny.

If other teams want to pay over the odds then let them we can't afford the stakes at that table.

Just like Camara and his many agents and oh wait.... what did we do? oh yeah we caved in and signed him.

Just like Paulus said its supply and demand but really we shouldnt of been looking at free agents after the window closed. We should of already got the players we needed signed up and ideally perminatly rather than getting loans.

Anyway hopefully all these loans will pay off and free agents pay off come the end of the season.

 

[alcoblade]

Just like Camara and his many agents and oh wait.... what did we do? oh yeah we caved in and signed him.

let me hazard a guess that you have NO CLUE as to who caved in. How do you know Camara didn't and if not, why do you choose to support the opposite view?

UTB

 

[Wapping Blade]

FWIW, I heard that Camara came back with his tail well and truly between his legs

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

let me hazard a guess that you have NO CLUE as to who caved in. How do you know Camara didn't and if not, why do you choose to support the opposite view?

UTB

Nope we caved in and totally destroyed our wage structure which is why Ward is leaving in January.

Blackwell/McCabe Out!!

 

[mattbianco1]

Nope we caved in and totally destroyed our wage structure which is why Ward is leaving in January.QUOTE]

Please elaborate?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Sorry, a rather childish reaction to Mr Bladesman's rant.
His assumption (incorrect from what little I know) was that we obviously caved in and blew our wage structure in order to sign Camara. (Actually I believe it was wages and an agent payment which halted the original deal).
Similar to the assumption that swept the various forums a few weeks ago that we were selling Ward for £1.5 Million because it was in a paper.
Knee-jerk reactions all round and general slagging off of Blackwell and McCabe followed whipped up by the usual suspects. Again this story actually had little basis in fact but didn't stop them using it to beat the management of the club.

It's pathetic, Blackwell has plenty of legitimate faults which you can pick on without having to make things up based on half-truths and rumours.

 

[super_pig]

>How do you know Camara didn't and if not, why do you choose to support the opposite view?

based upon empirical evidence supported by bitter previous experience.. presumably

 

[Bladesman]

let me hazard a guess that you have NO CLUE as to who caved in. How do you know Camara didn't and if not, why do you choose to support the opposite view?

UTB

Doesn't really matter who cracked.

Like I said in the rest of my post we should of got who we needed in the transfer window.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Doesn't really matter who cracked.

Like I said in the rest of my post we should of got who we needed in the transfer window.

Didn't they try and get Lita but were led down the garden path a little and then kicked over the gate. (He missed obviously). This left us a little late to snap up other targets. Bad management maybe, but you can't go after everyone just incase someone doesn't sign.

 

[alcoblade]

Doesn't really matter who cracked.

Like I said in the rest of my post we should of got who we needed in the transfer window.

it mattered to the point you were making Sam, otherwise why make it? Like me, you're probably not happy with all at SUFC right now. Don't let that mood cloud your judgement about what goes on. Nothing or no one is either all right or all wrong. The truth is usually somewhere in between, no matter how far the dummy is out of the pram.

We didn't get him the first time because he was too expensive. A situation arose where that changed.

UTB

 

[Bladesman]

it mattered to the point you were making Sam, otherwise why make it? Like me, you're probably not happy with all at SUFC right now. Don't let that mood cloud your judgement about what goes on. Nothing or no one is either all right or all wrong. The truth is usually somewhere in between, no matter how far the dummy is out of the pram.

We didn't get him the first time because he was too expensive. A situation arose where that changed.

UTB

It was bad management though that is my point.

Messing around after the window has closed chasing players that hold the club to ransom.

 

[Paulus]

I agree with Bladesman, our transfer policy since the play off final, and in reality before that as well since the phrase re-profiling was invented, has been confusing at best and perhaps a less charitable view is that it has bloody poor management.

Clearly the decision was made to cut wage expenditure, fair enough, given the fall in income, but the way it seems to have been implemented (ie oooh an offer, let's take it) seems to lack any strong central planning on how to develop the team, in short its come across as a fire sale.

I can remember a statement from Blackwell towards the end of the summer transfer window where he said that he wasn't bothered if we weren't able to bring in any more players he was more interested in operating in the loan market. So he clearly felt that operating on a skeleton staff and using the loan system was an acceptable way to go forward into the season. At the time it struck me as a load of bollocks and with the way things have played out it has been shown to be a nonsense because we've had nowhere to go when the injuries have kicked in.

I've sat in meetings where the financial types have droned on about improving the financial strength of the business by freeing up capital and improving the cash flow, leasing, sale and lease back etc. etc. but for Christ sake it isn't rocket science to realise it's probably not a good idea to take this to such an extreme that you lose control of your core assets, in the case of the Blades, the players.

For all sorts of bloody obvious reasons of like team spirit, cohesion, familiarity etc. the core first team squad need to have the commitment to the team and the club that comes from being fully contracted players. The loan system is useful for emergencies and to freshen things up as needed but loan players come with their own agendas and (usually) short term objectives which are not always going to match with the needs of the team.

I hope that we really do see a coherent buying policy in January and running into the summer which produces a strong balanced squad and we can see the last of the crap like 4 fullbacks on the subs bench. The problem I have, like many others I suspect, is that I don't think Blackwell is the man to be in charge of the buying decisions.