That dive / penalty decision

[Sean Thornton]

"BTW Leeds are winning already, and are already playing against 10 men, so the goal difference might suffer a bit as well here"

 

[Gareth Kay]

Definite foul on McG imo. He was on his way around the defender who was stuck flat footed. Any contact was minimal but the lunge was reckless and stopped McG getting on the end of the run without being close to playing the ball.

I think the red card was harsh and I’d be annoyed if it was handed to one of ours. There was a couple of defenders getting back and I don’t think it was a clear goal scoring opportunity. He was on his weak foot coming into the area at pace with the ball moving quickly ahead of him. It certainly helped us though and I’ll take it! I wish we would run at defenders and try and commit them a bit more often. What a game he had upfront.

Their penalty shout wasn’t a pen imo. Don’t think he was going to get on the end of his cut inside. He saw the opportunity to play for contact and went for it.

He made contact, maybe slightly but it was enough to go down. There was no covering defender, mcgoldrick was 5 yards in front before he got fouled. Red every day. He would of had a clear shot on goal had he not been fouled

 

[Blade56]

he fell over hurdling the tackle. ........if there wasn't a touch it still constitutes a foul, I'm not sure.

Steve Gerraard thinks it is

 

[CharlotteBlade]

Just watched it back on TV now as it was at the opposite end to me, unnecessary lunge it was described as. Glad he got a red card, didn’t like the cut of his jib.
Mcgoldrick slipped twice today and fell over, deano slipped and nearly had a colossal disaster... maybe the pitch was too wet ?

 

[ben1987]

He made contact, maybe slightly but it was enough to go down. There was no covering defender, mcgoldrick was 5 yards in front before he got fouled. Red every day. He would of had a clear shot on goal had he not been fouled

I thought it was harsh seeing it in real time once which is all the ref gets. If he goes for the tackle or not McG has got to break stride and go round him and set himself for the shot which slows him down.

I didn’t at the time think he would shoot from 19 yards out I thought he’d take another touch and come a couple yards closer giving the defender circled time to attempt to close the gap a bit.

Having watched it back I can totally see why he gave it but i do still think it could be a little harsh and that quite a few refs would checked out give a yellow.

Doesn’t matter now anyway we won, they didn’t. We’re second and Leeds aren’t.

 

[8lade]

There was an old man down our street who was convinced that whenever a player didn't suffer a broken leg it wasn't a foul

There's people on this forum who think a leg breaking tackle/block isn't a foul.

 

[PokerBlade]

On the other hand, a generous reading of the situation says that McGoldrick fell over hurdling a tackle. A cynic would have he dived. Either way, he wasn't taken out.

Or today is the day that "intention to foul" finally works in our favour.

You don't have to make contact to foul someone.

 

[Trafford]

 

[Sabella's Socks]

People need to read the rules of football. The Gerrard incident was a penalty (Styles’ explanation was correct) and the red card incident today was a foul. As for the two players ‘covering’, they were five yards behind McGoldrick when he had to slow down due to the challenge. The ref got it right. The rule is pasted below, with the relevant parts in bold.


LAW 12

Direct free kick

A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:

• charges
• jumps at
• kicks or attempts to kick
• pushes
• strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)
• tackles or challenges
• trips or attempts to trip

For the incident with Duffy / Colbeck, I reckon that could have gone either way. Duffy didn’t need to leave his knee out, but it’s very debatable whether it was a foul.

Sophistry.

 

[itsinyerblood]

He'd already made the decision to fall. The school for dramatic interpretation has found it's star pupil.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

On the other hand, a generous reading of the situation says that McGoldrick fell over hurdling a tackle. A cynic would have he dived. Either way, he wasn't taken out.

Watching the highlights on sky sports thing this morning, the commentator said ‘intent was there’

 

[Sothall_Blade]

People need to read the rules of football. The Gerrard incident was a penalty (Styles’ explanation was correct) and the red card incident today was a foul. As for the two players ‘covering’, they were five yards behind McGoldrick when he had to slow down due to the challenge. The ref got it right. The rule is pasted below, with the relevant parts in bold.


LAW 12

Direct free kick

A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:

• charges
• jumps at
• kicks or attempts to kick
• pushes
• strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)
• tackles or challenges
• trips or attempts to trip

For the incident with Duffy / Colbeck, I reckon that could have gone either way. Duffy didn’t need to leave his knee out, but it’s very debatable whether it was a foul.

I don’t think that Morgan was “attempting to trip” or “attempting to foul” Gerrard.

I think he went for the ball and missed but in doing so caused Gerrard to avoid his challenge and fall over. Without any contact being made

What do the rules/laws say about that? Genuine question.

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

Just watched it back on TV now as it was at the opposite end to me, unnecessary lunge it was described as. Glad he got a red card, didn’t like the cut of his jib.
Mcgoldrick slipped twice today and fell over, deano slipped and nearly had a colossal disaster... maybe the pitch was too wet ?

Bang on. Said at half time why are they watering the penalty area we’d be defending. Not only that but the sprinklers were rotating to cover the whole area at the end we were defending but didn’t seem to me doing the same at the other end.
Common sense says it would make the pitch slippy. IMO it was the reason Deano slipped and nearly cost us big time.
It’s something the club should be taking a look at.

 

[Geordie Blade]

I don’t think that Morgan was “attempting to trip” or “attempting to foul” Gerrard.

I think he went for the ball and missed but in doing so caused Gerrard to avoid his challenge and fall over. Without any contact being made

What do the rules/laws say about that? Genuine question.

In the same text that I quoted, the law says “...considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force” and this includes ordinary tackles. In Morgan’s case (and the red card yesterday) it was clearly careless (i.e. a clumsy leg sticking out) and, therefore, a foul. The bits I highlighted in bold were just demonstrate that no contact has to be made.

 

[Geordie Blade]

Sophistry.

Why?

 

[andy m]

I don’t think that Morgan was “attempting to trip” or “attempting to foul” Gerrard.

I think he went for the ball and missed but in doing so caused Gerrard to avoid his challenge and fall over. Without any contact being made

What do the rules/laws say about that? Genuine question.

Gerrard never fell over. He still got his shot away.

 

[Sabella's Socks]

Why?

It's

a) completely true

and

b) completely out of context.

The context here being dozens, hundreds, thousand, millions, zillions of attempted fouls go unpunished throughout the game at all levels and across time, despite It Being Written.

The problems is not:

It was given

The problem is

It was given and millions of others aren't.

It's not application of The Law that's the issue; it's selective application of The Law that's the issue.

 

[Geordie Blade]

It's

a) completely true

and

b) completely out of context.

The context here being dozens, hundreds, thousand, millions, zillions of attempted fouls go unpunished throughout the game at all levels and across time, despite It Being Written.

The problems is not:

It was given

The problem is

It was given and millions of others aren't.

It's not application of The Law that's the issue; it's selective application of The Law that's the issue.

I couldn’t agree more regarding selective application - that’s true of the majority of rules in football, unfortunately. In this instance though, we’re talking about players (Gerrard and McGoldrick) who are running past opponents at speed. If a defender sticks their leg out and misses the ball and the attacking player is forced to avoid the outstretched leg and loses their balance in the process, a foul will (rightly) be given 9 timed out of 10.

There are probably hundreds of cases each game where something similar happens not ‘at speed’, and they are very rarely given, which is where the inconsistencies happen. Referees will defend this by saying that the former (‘at speed’) challenges are ‘careless’.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Gerrard never fell over. He still got his shot away.

He got a weak shot away as he was falling over



1:01



I still don’t think it was a penalty personally.
Just trying to establish on what grounds it was given.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Seems harsh

The ref was in a good position end of story !

 

[Maidenhead]

There's people on this forum who think a leg breaking tackle/block isn't a foul.

Only if the perpetrator's John Fleck