Alleged racism by a Sheffield United Ladies player

[Sean Thornton]

Never said it should be allowed. I'm not racist. Its the fact that people are calling for someone to be sacked over a comment made in a competition. Comments are made about weight, height, disabilities, facial features, religion, skin colour all the time, that's life, criticizing others who for some reason you might take a dislike to.



Most people will make comments on others, it's human nature. If everyone who criticized anyone else was sacked there would be no workers left.

Not in the form of monkey noises. That’s hardly “criticism” is it?

 

[Bert]

Semi-pro, they take a wage, even if it's small. So it's sacked.

Where does the money come from to pay these wages?

 

[Sheffsteel]

I suspect people use racism as a tool like any other to wind up/affect the oppo players..

Appears that could very well be the case with John Terry. He’s a winner and will resort to any tactic to gain an advantage.

Video evidence shows him using the N word towards Ferdinand.Then he gets character witness support from black people (Ashley Cole) confirming he had loads of close black friends so can’t be rascist.

I remember playing Sunday league football in the 80’s. If you were a young kid who was good then you’d get old centre backs threatening to break your legs, using offensive rascist language basically saying anything to rattle the opposition, then in the pub after the same players were as good as gold offering to buy you a pint and congratulating you or congratulating the black lad for playing well. There was a culture of banter, shop floor industrial language, the problem was genuine bullies or genuine rascist could use banter as an excuse.

 

[LondonBlade89]

Never said it should be allowed. I'm not racist. Its the fact that people are calling for someone to be sacked over a comment made in a competition. Comments are made about weight, height, disabilities, facial features, religion, skin colour all the time, that's life, criticizing others who for some reason you might take a dislike to. Most people will make comments on others, it's human nature. If everyone who criticized anyone else was sacked there would be no workers left.

I think you need to read up on why comments about someone's race are completely different to comments about weight or facial features. General rule is that if people have suffered serious persecution throughout history for it, to the point of genocide or being enslaved or y'know any of those kind of things, it's probably best to leave well alone.

 

[Southend Blade]

That's more just a general comment on people that make racist remarks based on Steve's comment, my previous reply was to have a full investigation before punishment.

Trial by social media I'm not for.

I agree with you, i certainly do not condone what is alleged to have occurred, however, i do find it disappointing that the 'vicitm' felt the need to broadcast it on social media, thereby possibly influencing the outcome of any inquiry or investigation. Surely there are official mechanisms in place for this sort of case, and these should be followed, otherwise, why have them in the first place, we may as well just scrap them and leave it all to Twitter.

 

[Sean Thornton]

She must be the whitest black person I've ever seen.
I look darker than her after 20 minutes in the sun!

Not black enough to be racially abused then?

 

[LondonBlade89]

I agree with you, i certainly do not condone what is alleged to have occurred, however, i do find it disappointing that the 'vicitm' felt the need to broadcast it on social media, thereby possibly influencing the outcome of any inquiry or investigation. Surely there are official mechanisms in place for this sort of case, and these should be followed, otherwise, why have them in the first place, we may as well just scrap them and leave it all to Twitter.

I reckon there probably are official channels to raise such issues so that it doesn't get to social media and someone is judged before any kind of investigation. That's obviously ideal. However you can't blame someone, if they have been racially abused in such a manner, acting emotionally and taking to social media.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I agree with you, i certainly do not condone what is alleged to have occurred, however, i do find it disappointing that the 'vicitm' felt the need to broadcast it on social media, thereby possibly influencing the outcome of any inquiry or investigation. Surely there are official mechanisms in place for this sort of case, and these should be followed, otherwise, why have them in the first place, we may as well just scrap them and leave it all to Twitter.

Maybe we should be aware about what people wearing our shirt are allegedly doing when it comes to racism?

 

[Bladesman]

I agree with you, i certainly do not condone what is alleged to have occurred, however, i do find it disappointing that the 'vicitm' felt the need to broadcast it on social media, thereby possibly influencing the outcome of any inquiry or investigation. Surely there are official mechanisms in place for this sort of case, and these should be followed, otherwise, why have them in the first place, we may as well just scrap them and leave it all to Twitter.

It's guilty until proven innocent. No need for due process.

FYI I don't condone racism at all and if our player has been found to be racist then she wants sacking.

 

[Sean Thornton]

It's guilty until proven innocent. No need for due process.

FYI I don't condone racism at all and if our player has been found to be racist then she wants sacking.

Similarly the player who supposedly racially abused one of our ball boys was guilty, even the the boy denied it had happened but a supporter reported it had.

Only difference here is that, as far as I know, no one has been named.

 

[Southend Blade]

I reckon there probably are official channels to raise such issues so that it doesn't get to social media and someone is judged before any kind of investigation. That's obviously ideal. However you can't blame someone, if they have been racially abused in such a manner, acting emotionally and taking to social media.

Sorry but, yes i can, i see no reason at all to share this with the world unless it is to garner sympathy for some unfathomable reason. Still, what's done is done and the outcome will be known soon enough.

 

[LondonBlade89]

Sorry but, yes i can, i see no reason at all to share this with the world unless it is to garner sympathy for some unfathomable reason. Still, what's done is done and the outcome will be known soon enough.

If you can't then you lack empathy. Genuinely.

 

[Southend Blade]

If you can't then you lack empathy. Genuinely.

Really? I have every sympathy with the alleged victim, providing the offence actually happened. And as the majority on here have mentioned, would fully expect whoever it was that carried out the alleged offence to be severely dealt with by the proper authorities following an official investigation. Presently, my team has been tarred by this brush simply through the act of broadcasting an allegation over social media. Is this fair?

 

[LondonBlade89]

Really? I have every sympathy with the alleged victim, providing the offence actually happened. And as the majority on here have mentioned, would fully expect whoever it was that carried out the alleged offence to be severely dealt with by the proper authorities following an official investigation. Presently, my team has been tarred by this brush simply through the act of broadcasting an allegation over social media. Is this fair?

It's genuinely laughable that you're essentially criticising the potential victim for the damage their claim on social media is doing to your club. There are bigger, more important things going on here.

 

[Southend Blade]

It's genuinely laughable that you're essentially criticising the potential victim for the damage their claim on social media is doing to your club. There are bigger, more important things going on here.

I don't see it as a laughing matter at all. You may be happy for us to be dragged through the mud on all news outlets now, through an allegation made on social media, but i am not. I am criticising the potential victim, yes, because i truly do not see the reason to blurt this out to all and sundry immediately after the alleged incident. Did she not think it appropriate in the first instance to speak to the ref or other officials? Did she then approach her own coaching staff/manager? Did she speak to someone from our club about the alleged incident? Maybe she did, maybe she didn't, but it disturbs me that it appears the potential victims first, and possibly only thought was to get this on social media as soon as possible, for reasons known only to herself. As you say, there are bigger, more important things going on here.

 

[borbokis]

Absolute state of this thread. Some of you lot are showing yourselves up to be proper unsavoury characters.

 

[Sheffsteel]

I think you need to read up on why comments about someone's race are completely different to comments about weight or facial features. General rule is that if people have suffered serious persecution throughout history for it, to the point of genocide or being enslaved or y'know any of those kind of things, it's probably best to leave well alone.

Brilliant post.

It’s a fairly common (and seemingly reasonable) response about sticks and stones, basically words shouldn’t have such a serious effect and maybe people are too easily offended eg a snowflake.

My mother (who is in her 70’s) recently questioned why the word “paki” could be rascist because she says it’s natural to abbreviate words and call someone from Pakistan a Paki, she said she would take no offence being called a Brit as she’s British.

Had to explain to her when I was at school in the early 80”s it was deliberately used to cause upset and offence, there was even the term “Paki bashing”, so why would you want to bring back memories of traumatic experience by using a word?

If I’m called a Brit or even a white honkey or white snowflake I’d not be offended in the slightest I’d probably laugh thinking about the 70’s comedy show Love Thy Neighbour because those words are not associated with control or trauma to a white man.

There’s banter but where deaths (genocide) violence, control and persecution have been involved then surely a normal person would prefer to be respectful.

 

[essexblade73]

Hope you're trying and failing to make an edgy joke and this is a whoosh moment.

Otherwise find it interesting that the people that call other people snowflakes are usually the ones with minority views that go against what's widely accepted by society thus making themselves those with most in common with something as unique as a snowflake.

Group a hundred people together, share the view that you should be allowed to racially abuse people in team sports and I bet you'd be unique in holding that view.

Snowflake.

I'm hoping it was a whoosh moment otherwise it looks like we have Bernard Manning in the house. Also ironic that the ones who use the snowflake term are usually bleating about something.

 

[FMBlade1]

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...men-player-faces-sack-if-racism-claims-proved

IF this happened, sacking is fully deserved and understandable.

Although it is unfair if male players don't get the same treatment

Did Liverpool sack Suarez?

From now on if any of our male players do the same or something similar we will have no choice but to sack them, unlike other clubs.

Not saying that's a bad things, but there are huge implementations from all of this

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

How did she know it was the Blades player making the noises?

Perhaps Michael Winslow was in the crowd.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Madine put her up to it. Fact.

 

[Davalon]

In this case I don't see how posting what she did on Twitter could jeopardise an investigation. As others have said, she didn't name anyone.

My argument after the Sterling incident at Chelsea was the hypocrisy within the game. There's no good calling out racism if you only want to concentrate on the incidents that suit you because it undermines the bigger picture.

A number of black players even spoke out in defence of Terry, when the same have spoken out more generally about racism within the game.

 

[LondonBlade89]

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...men-player-faces-sack-if-racism-claims-proved

IF this happened, sacking is fully deserved and understandable.

Although it is unfair if male players don't get the same treatment

Did Liverpool sack Suarez?

From now on if any of our male players do the same or something similar we will have no choice but to sack them, unlike other clubs.

Not saying that's a bad things, but there are huge implementations from all of this

I don't think it's a male-female thing. I think it's a 'Luis Suarez is this club's best player and we'd lose a hell of a lot of money if we sacked him' thing. So the point is less about gender, and more about club owners having the b0ll0x to make the right decision, even if it's to the detriment of the performance of their club. Here's hoping they do in future.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Is she Gary Madines Mrs?

 

[Davalon]

I don't think it's a male-female thing. I think it's a 'Luis Suarez is this club's best player and we'd lose a hell of a lot of money if we sacked him' thing. So the point is less about gender, and more about club owners having the b0ll0x to make the right decision, even if it's to the detriment of the performance of their club. Here's hoping they do in future.

Spot on. Terry the same.

I know it's not always easy for clubs depending on their circumstances.

If you're a club with financial issues and your main asset, both in ability and selling price, is found to have racially abused an opponent, do you jeopardise the club on order to make a stand, when the guilty player will just walk into another club.

Likewise imagine the reaction if United sacked Billy Sharp for something such. The Madine debate on here would look like a fart in the wind by comparison.

Sadly football's structure is that, that doing the right thing often only happens when there's no financial penalty involved.

Tackling racism, however, isn't anywhere near as successful as it should be unless you take a consistent stand and approach across the entire board.

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

Seems a very strange thing to do, really strange with how pc everything is today.

 

[YES Blade]

Spot on. Terry the same.

I know it's not always easy for clubs depending on their circumstances.

If you're a club with financial issues and your main asset, both in ability and selling price, is found to have racially abused an opponent, do you jeopardise the club on order to make a stand, when the guilty player will just walk into another club.

Likewise imagine the reaction if United sacked Billy Sharp for something such. The Madine debate on here would look like a fart in the wind by comparison.

Sadly football's structure is that, that doing the right thing often only happens when there's no financial penalty involved.

Tackling racism, however, isn't anywhere near as successful as it should be unless you take a consistent stand and approach across the entire board.

Agree 100% with this, it’s easy to say sack her when it’s a player for the women’s team that most of us will not have heard of.

Chelsea is a great example, when it’s John Terry’s racism case then the club rally round to help him. Mutu and Bosnich both failed drugs tests for cocaine and were sacked, but no doubt the club would be spouting duty of care for employees etc had either of them been important first team players at the time.

Football clubs always say the right thing, but money has always been more important than morals when it comes to the crunch.

 

[Diamondlife]

Seems a very strange thing to do, really strange with how pc everything is today.

Was thinking exactly the same, I can imagine (obviously not condone) hearing remarks on someone’s colour or use of a racist term in the heat of the moment, but I can’t for the life of me remember the last time I heard anyone make monkey noises, it just sounds wrong and like you said, really strange.

 

[TTMeysh]

Setting up the women's team was obviously just a PR stunt. I imagine part of the thinking was it would show what a progressive club we are. Well, that worked well didn't it?

 

[Karaoke Blade]

Seems a very strange thing to do, really strange with how pc everything is today.

Seems a very strange thing to do full stop.