CONFIRMED Gary Madine signs on loan

[Sheffsteel]

No one's suggesting that Wilder and his staff don't carry out due dilligance on the ability and character of a potential target. But it's not disrespectful to suggest that they may have underestimated the fan unrest that the signing of Madine will bring.

Good point....it’s a tricky one though because history shows that football fans tend to be very fickle.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Madine scores then he’ll be cheered and if he scores at Hillsboro in the Derby he’ll become a hero to many.
If he helps us win promotion then Madine and Wilder will receive all the accolades from the fans and it’ll all be forgotten.

Also the bottom line for football clubs is the financial aspect.
Cheds appointment affected sponsorship threatening withdrawal so we had no choice but to not re-sign him (the 1st time)
But regards Madine the financial effects will likely be positive.
There won’t be sponsorship withdrawal, no downturn attendances, won’t be any mass protest.
However due to his poor form at Cardiff we will be bringing in a player (on the relative cheap) who was in fantastic form at Bolton only 12 months ago meaning he earnt a transfer fee of 6 million.

It’s ironic that the club had to deal with plenty of unpleasantness regards Ched and we could be going down a similiar route.
Suspect it will blow over pretty quicky, At least there no national media campaign or Jean Hackett pushing an agenda.

 

[Robboblade1889]

No one's suggesting that Wilder and his staff don't carry out due dilligance on the ability and character of a potential target. But it's not disrespectful to suggest that they may have underestimated the fan unrest that the signing of Madine will bring.

He’s not stupid he will 100% understand the fans opinion on this. However his job is to get Sheffield United as high up the table as possible. If CW thinks Gary Madine will help do this then so be it, he is the man in charge and he takes all the flack as well as the plaudits.

We need a player like Madine there is no doubt about that. I think the over reaction by some of our fan base is frankly embarrassing. Like I said before Chris Wilder has done enough for this club for the fan base to trust his judgement wether they agree with his decisions or not.

 

[Robboblade1889]

He knocked about a blade for being a blade and did him some damage. If that’s now acceptable to our club and some fans, then so be it, it’s not acceptable to me.

CW is the temporary guardian of the flame, nothing more, nothing less. Me & mine have supported the club since 1889, and will be supporting the club when he and his clique are pushing up daisies. CE was a different situation. GM is a c*nt, and I can call out a c*nt for being a c*nt.

“Him and his clique” what on earth does that mean? Show a bit of respect to our manager the manager who has given us back our club. A manager who loves this club just as much as you do.

 

[essexblade73]

GBH only becomes a crime due to the consequences. If you chin someone and give them a fat lip (or vice versa), no big deal. If you do the same but the punch is an inch lower you break their jaw and its GBH. Sometimes you knock them over and they crack their head on the pavement and its suddenly manslaughter. Very few people crack someone with the intention of disfiguring them or killing them. I've had scraps in my youth, strangely enough most around the age where Madine got caught. I've delivered few and stopped a few in the facial region. Apart from a bit of blood and a few lumps that was it, but it could have been a lot different if one of the punches delivered or taken was an inch or two either way. I'd say quite a few on here will own up to the same, even those who are trying their level best to act as the moral guardians of the forum.

You make no sense with that drivel, obv have no idea about ABH and why some crimes are so serious they are deemed as GBH. The latter is not just giving someone a slap ffs. I also have no idea what your point is. Are you saying slapping someone is part of growing up? Cos in my book only wankers go out and and slap someone after a few beers. There are plenty of lads out there who have grown up nicely without being a knuckle dragging prick

 

[Sheffsteel]

He knocked about a blade for being a blade and did him some damage. If that’s now acceptable to our club and some fans, then so be it, it’s not acceptable to me.

It’s a red herring...could say he also knocked an Owl out for being an Owl.
Agree he appears to be a nasty piece of work...... but it raises the question at what point does a players character means he shouldn’t play for us?

Where do you draw the line? Personally think John Terry’s character faults are worse but he’s still a hero at Chelsea and Villa.
It seems that if a player performs well....then every misdemeanours is forgiven or conveniently forgotten.

 

[Bartleby]

Apparently fighting is something most of us have done. Guess I’m just in the minority.

I think either you have been lucky to have never been in the wrong place at the wrong time , or you didn't grow up in Sheffield

 

[snootyfenooty]

With hindsight its never not nobheaded behaviour is it? Actually most people probably haven’t done it. It never has been big, hard or clever, more to do with young idiots who can’t handle a drink.

Spot on. Only tossers go out, have a beer and a fight as if its part of growing up. It isnt and shouldnt be.

No, I'm making the point that most people have swung a punch or two in their life, especially football related. Hypocrisy is the key word.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Billyblade please can you update the poll options to take account of the other 28,936 Madine threads?

Thank you.

 

[Nick Jansky]

It’s a red herring...could say he also knocked an Owl out for being an Owl.
Agree he appears to be a nasty piece of work...... but it raises the question at what point does a players character means he shouldn’t play for us?

Where do you draw the line? Personally think John Terry’s character faults are worse but he’s still a hero at Chelsea and Villa.
It seems that if a player performs well....then every misdemeanours is forgiven or conveniently forgotten.

Personally I have always drawn the line at the point where what is known publicly about them means that I would not want them to be any sort of role model for my kids. Because, sadly, kids do look up to them. So its a no from me, and I’ve explained to my season ticket holding 15 year old exactly why.

 

[Nick Jansky]

No, I'm making the point that most people have swung a punch or two in their life, especially football related. Hypocrisy is the key word.

I think you are miles out with the “most people “ assertion. I’m an ordinary bloke and the vast majority of people I know certainly haven’t. Only a certain type.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

This needs more Girls Aloud.

 

[snootyfenooty]

I think you are miles out with the “most people “ assertion. I’m an ordinary bloke and the vast majority of people I know certainly haven’t. Only a certain type.

So you've never had a scrap?

 

[Rodders]

So you've never had a scrap?

No doubt Nick can speak for himself, but I haven’t as I’m not a dickhead.

 

[Sharp as a blade]

I don't like madine as a person but from a footballing perspective we put loads of balls into the box, both from corners and open play. It would be beneficial to have someone that can actually challenge a cb for a header.

Like it or not he offers us something non of our current strikers do.

I'm not going to be chanting his name but if people are really going to boo him for us whilst we are third in the league as if the other 10 players we have on the pitch won't hear it then I think they need to realise that they're going to be doing much more harm than good.

I also would rather go with Wilders judgement on his character as a player which has come from people who actually know / worked with madine over newspaper articles and fan opinion.

 

[Rodders]

It’s a red herring...

No it isn’t.

 

[snootyfenooty]

No doubt Nick can speak for himself, but I haven’t as I’m not a dickhead.

I'm blessed to be in such saintly company.

 

[Nick Jansky]

So you've never had a scrap?

Nope. Never got myself into the situation where it was necessary. Never felt the need. I wasn’t a Neanderthal nobhead who felt I had some sort of point to prove. I was like the vast majority of people.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

What a cock. Just seems a disrespectful nasty piece of work. The girl seems as brain dead as they come, however his arrogance and lack of respect for her is clear.

Also clearly shows no remorse for the Billy Sharp comments. I hope our club does the right thing and knocks this one on the head. He clearly hasn’t matured, his prison sentence for assaulting fans of our club (and random innocent members of the public) doesn’t seem to have changed him.

I was talking to a Wednesday fan friend of mine, who told me he was out at 02:30 in the morning out in Sheffield drinking jäger bombs with Madine after bumping into him at the bar. He started for Wednesday later that afternoon.

I’m concerned what kind of impact he could have on the rest of the squad if he starts roping them into the same drinking antics. It’s not long ago that Freeman, Che Adams, Jose Baxter etc. all used to see nothing wrong with going out in Sheff after losing at home to some League 1 no marks.

 

[Davalon]

Football loyalty is very different to any other form of custom.

Understandably fans will make more excuses for their club than they would another business they use.

Long term fans invest a lot of time, money, and emotion in their clubs. They have a right to strong opinions even if sometimes misguided.

Being upset about signing one of the biggest dickheads in the game we've crossed swords with, isn't like falsely accusing McCabe of pocketing the money.

I don't have a problem whatsoever with fans being happy with signing him.

I do find the turn turtles now trying to justify or make excuses for his past ridiculous however. Many of the same would be having a field day if the Pigs were resigning him.

Equally this North Korea-esque attitude of put up with it and stop moaning or fuck off, is pathetic. The type of approach that comes from the self styled 'lads' or the real big Blades who think they have the monopoly on how to support the club.

I like the fact Wilder is big on doing background checks into players characters and attitudes. I can't believe that he won't have taken that very seriously in this case.

However if he's shocked and upset at the social media reaction like some are suggesting, then he's incredibly out of touch imho as a Blade. Personally I don't believe he will be, especially as I don't think social media is his bag. No doubt mates, or people at the club, will pass on the reaction.

In my near 40 years supporting the club I'm struggling to remember a more divisive prospective signing for this many reasons. We've had ex-pigs, a previously convicted rapist, a convicted woman beater....

With Madine there are multiple concerns not just the one issue.

It may turn out a masterstroke. Let's hope to God it does.

But let's not pretend people are out of order for being disappointed or questioning this.

 

[essexblade73]

So you've never had a scrap?

Last time was at school and it wasnt me who started it. Anyone over schol age who thinks its a good idea to start a scrap is a fckin prick. Ive trained boxing and currently do all round mma training - jujitsu etc - and i tell you what the proper hard men wouldnt dream of nutting someone in a pub toilet. unlike washing machine.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Nope. Never got myself into the situation where it was necessary. Never felt the need. I wasn’t a Neanderthal nobhead who felt I had some sort of point to prove. I was like the vast majority of people.

The sudden outbreak of piousness on this forum is breathtaking

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

This needs more Girls

Fixed.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Last time was at school and it wasnt me who started it. Anyone over schol age who thinks its a good idea to start a scrap is a fckin prick. Ive trained boxing and currently do all round mma training - jujitsu etc - and i tell you what the proper hard men wouldnt dream of nutting someone in a pub toilet. unlike washing machine.

....as is the appearance of proper 'ard men

 

[Robboblade1889]

I don't like madine as a person but from a footballing perspective we put loads of balls into the box, both from corners and open play. It would be beneficial to have someone that can actually challenge a cb for a header.

Like it or not he offers us something non of our current strikers do.

I'm not going to be chanting his name but if people are really going to boo him for us whilst we are third in the league as if the other 10 players we have on the pitch won't hear it then I think they need to realise that they're going to be doing much more harm than good.

I also would rather go with Wilders judgement on his character as a player which has come from people who actually know / worked with madine over newspaper articles and fan opinion.

You’re right about the booing, I can see it now! If you don’t want to support him don’t clap him or cheer anything he does. To boo him is ridiculous in the position we are it will only have a negative effect on the team. Will it make fans feel better if they do they can go home and tell everyone I booed him!

All this kids look up to him is total tosh, he’s a footballer not the head of nato!

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

This needs more Girls Aloud.

This is true. But name me a scenario where that law does not apply.

That said, I’m not sure that GA’s “Love Machine” is necessarily the best soundtrack to this shitfest. Given the conflict the twat has already caused on here and elsewhere, AC/DC’s “War Machine”, perhaps? Or, given his heritage, maybe Sabbath’s “War Pigs”?

Crikey, there’s a whole new Madine thread possibility here! Didn’t think it could be done at this stage.

 

[essexblade73]

I think either you have been lucky to have never been in the wrong place at the wrong time , or you didn't grow up in Sheffield

Or maybe they did grow up in sheffield but avoided the cocks? Just a thought

 

[Nick Jansky]

The sudden outbreak of piousness on this forum is breathtaking

Nowt pious about pointing out how the vast majority of people choose to live their lives. But yes, I do look down on anybody who thinks there is anything defensible in wanting to physically damage other people. I’d call that civilised, I’m sure you’d call it being a snowflake or something equally vacuous

 

[Plymouthblade]

Right turn out shoes everywhere ! Kept mine on fucking freezing

 

[Bergen Blade]

I'm not going to be chanting his name but if people are really going to boo him for us whilst we are third in the league as if the other 10 players we have on the pitch won't hear it then I think they need to realise that they're going to be doing much more harm than good.

What would be the aim of booing Madine?

 

[essexblade73]

Nowt pious about pointing out how the vast majority of people choose to live their lives. But yes, I do look down on anybody who thinks there is anything defensible in wanting to physically damage other people. I’d call that civilised, I’m sure you’d call it being a snowflake or something equally vacuous

Unfortunately some 'blokes' think being a 'bloke' is acting up and slapping some random fella, usually an easy target, cos these 'blokes' dont pick on anyone who might be able to fight back. Most of these 'blokes' would get their arses handed to em in any boxing gym.