Brooksy

[Sean Thornton]

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He eventually went to Championship side Bournemouth because there wasn't any other interest in him

Lol. No other interest. .... Surely CC took the first offer they got, like you claim United did over Brooks. No other interest was there?

Well done on destroying your own argument.

 

[Topplayersleave]

Lol. No other interest. .... Surely CC took the first offer they got, like you claim United did over Brooks. No other interest was there?

Well done on destroying your own argument.

If he'd been a £3 million player he wouldn't have gone to Bournemouth in the Championship
Someone else would have taken him

 

[Topplayersleave]

We tried to buy him with the influx of cash when the Prince arrived in August 2013. The bid was turned down and we were told he wasn’t for sale.

But he was sold anyway
More likely they pissed themselves laughing and thought the least embarrassing thing to say was "He's not for sale"

 

[LoughboroBlade]

If he'd been a £3 million player he wouldn't have gone to Bournemouth in the Championship
Someone else would have taken him

From the Coventry Telegraph last month: https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/s.../coventry-city-callum-wilson-striker-15381652

“Coventry sold Wilson to Bournemouth for around £3million in July 2014 with a sell-on clause, believed to be between 10-15 per cent. The Sky Blues are understood to have already benefited from a six-figure sum after the home-bred player gained promotion to the Premier League as part of a series of add-on payments worked into the deal.”

 

[Topplayersleave]

I just don't think you understand the way modern football works ,if there is a hole of 8 million pounds a season and you can plug that by selling players then what would you do ?

I'd sell them, then I'd explain why instead of making it out to be the players fault wanting to leave

 

[Sean Thornton]

I'd sell them, then I'd explain why instead of making it out to be the players fault wanting to leave

Wilder lied then?


Think LoughboroBlade has covered the point about the fee.

The hole your digging, is it deep enough to hide your nonsense in yet?

 

[dublin 10 blade]

We sold DCL , and the goalkeeper who everyone’s forgotten about to get us a bigger / better squad and team to get us out of league 3 , and that’s what happened
If Sir Chris uses the loan market wisely and gets in the bodies we and he knows we need and we kick on as a team , get to the playoffs and promotion
( longshot we all know )
But all this handwringing about selling our best half a season player , for every Leeds and pigs game , there’s a Millwall away performance
If Manchester United, or Spurs or Liverpool have to sell there best players , then what fucking hope does Sheffield United have of keeping players
He changed his agent, he wanted to move
I bear the lad no malice , this time our club isn’t to blame here
UTB

 

[Fanny magnet]

From the Coventry Telegraph last month: https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/s.../coventry-city-callum-wilson-striker-15381652

“Coventry sold Wilson to Bournemouth for around £3million in July 2014 with a sell-on clause, believed to be between 10-15 per cent. The Sky Blues are understood to have already benefited from a six-figure sum after the home-bred player gained promotion to the Premier League as part of a series of add-on payments worked into the deal.”

675,000 then

I'd sell them, then I'd explain why instead of making it out to be the players fault wanting to leave

but the player did want to leave

 

[Topplayersleave]

675,000 then

but the player did want to leave

I'd want to leave as well If I was at Coventry

 

[Fanny magnet]

I'd want to leave as well If I was at Coventry

I was talking about Brooks , have you forgot our conversation already ?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

From today's Telegraph sports page.

Quote Eddie Howe;

"Two great goals from David, I am very pleased. He showed his qualities in both moments. He is certainly ahead of schedule, I'd say. We've been pleasantly surprised. We knew we were getting a good, technical player.

We liked the player a lot, watching him at Sheffield United. He hadn't played a lot at the back end of last season because he had glandular fever. That is probably why we were able to get him to be honest. If he'd continued to play as he had been, he'd have gone beyond us"

How flippin annoying is that...

HH

Wonder how much McC wants for a Maserrati?

 

[itsinyerblood]

From today's Telegraph sports page.

Quote Eddie Howe;

"Two great goals from David, I am very pleased. He showed his qualities in both moments. He is certainly ahead of schedule, I'd say. We've been pleasantly surprised. We knew we were getting a good, technical player.

We liked the player a lot, watching him at Sheffield United. He hadn't played a lot at the back end of last season because he had glandular fever. That is probably why we were able to get him to be honest. If he'd continued to play as he had been, he'd have gone beyond us"

How flippin annoying is that...

HH

It sounds as if Howe is preparing himself for a bid from another club. Maybe that's how they manage to compete at Premiership level?

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

The games i've seen him play on the TV he's looked quite lost for large amounts of the games.

What games have you been watching

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

What games have you been watching

The games in which he's looked lost in, obvs.

Wonder how much McC wants for a Maserati?

My Maserati does 185

 

[Tom Bott]

HAHAHA you have no idea

I have run my business for 40 years without failing, how long do you think your business plan would last ?

According to the Small Business Association (SBA), The SBA states that 30% of new businesses fail during the first two years of being open, 50% during the first five years and 66% during the first 10.

So we keep Brooksy by paying him 1.5Million extra in year one, we also buy Norwwod and Egan
6.5 million in transfer fees PLUS wages, so you have increased expenditure by nearly 10 million.


How do you pay that back if you fail on your gamble.

 

[Tom Bott]

The clubs transfer policy is FUCKING ATROCIOUS, EMBARRASSING, SMALL TIME, FULL OF LIES AND DECEPTION AND FUCKING WANK

AND IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN

No your knowledge of running a business is, which given that you give financial advice for a living is quite frankly very worrying when you appear so clueless.

 

[Tom Bott]

it was great to know you had a player like him in your team

Or that WE had a player in OUR team.

 

[Sean Thornton]

No your knowledge of running a business is, which given that you give financial advice for a living is quite frankly very worrying when you appear so clueless.

“Hi, I’m phoning for some financial advice, My outgoings are more than my income but if I sell the 9/11 Turbo and buy a 3 series BMW l’ll be okay. What should I do?”

“Borrow more money”

“Err....... I’ll get back yo you”

 

[Tom Bott]

I'd want to leave as well If I was at Coventry

I'm sure many on here would wish to send you there.

Your total negativity about our club is really tiresome. Why not change your username to Bladesareshit to leave us in no doubt about your unwavering support of our club.

 

[Tom Bott]

My Maserati does 185

Q musical interlude.

 

[Rudders]

“Hi, I’m phoning for some financial advice, My outgoings are more than my income but if I sell the 9/11 Turbo and buy a 3 series BMW l’ll be okay. What should I do?”

“Borrow more money”

“Err....... I’ll get back yo you”

It could be argued that football finance at most clubs is run exactly as in your spoof phone call. Most clubs are not run as 'normal' businesses and instead run up huge debts through player investment year or year that eventually get reset through administration and or the generosity of lenders writing it off (Hello Co-op) or getting some rich new owner to take it on. Taking the moral high ground and suggesting that utd should live within their means probably means that we will never witness a successful team as we will always have to sell players to balance the books. Instead we will be top of the imaginary 'never been in administration' league. It's just a shame that we don't get rewarded for this or our 'sound' financial management.

 

[Champagneblade]

We were contractually within our rights to not sell him.

Suggesting he wait until Jan to see if we were in contention wouldn’t have been outlandish.

He’d been one season with the first team, 4 months of which he’d been nursed through glandular fever. I don’t see how his new agent could have exactly claimed he’d given the best years of his life to us!

I’d have liked Wilder to have been stronger there.

Only if you doubted his ability or thought his injury was long term would anyone conclude Bournemouth’s bid was top dollar in the grand scheme of us selling or keeping him.

He’s clearly a special talent. We all saw it. Not one Blade is being wise after the event by stating this.

Fulham didn’t sell Sessignon, Wednesday have kept players, Liverpool resisted a few windows for Coutinho and Saurez. It’s not unheard of to tell the agent and player ‘not now’.

Bournemouth may have been the only bid on the table but there was no obligation to sell. To Howe’s point, a few months of him being over glandular fever would have seen his value increase. Who cares if that meant no sell on? He’d have to go for 100m to make in sell ons what would likely have happened to his fee.

It made no sense to me for the Brooks money to remain untouched if we did sell. The best rationale would be that we made the team better. The forwards are still lacking yet we have this Brooks money sat idle? Why hamstring ourselves?

Only decent explanation is we thought signing Woodburn was a masterstroke. Unfortunately it hasn’t been.

 

[Fraggle Blade]

What games have you been watching

Everyone he's played in thats been live on tv

 

[Topplayersleave]

I have run my business for 40 years without failing, how long do you think your business plan would last ?


But yours is a very Boring business



So we keep Brooksy by paying him 1.5Million extra in year one, we also buy Norwwod and Egan
6.5 million in transfer fees PLUS wages, so you have increased expenditure by nearly 10 million.


How do you pay that back if you fail on your gamble.

 

[Champagneblade]

I have run my business for 40 years without failing, how long do you think your business plan would last ?



So we keep Brooksy by paying him 1.5Million extra in year one, we also buy Norwwod and Egan
6.5 million in transfer fees PLUS wages, so you have increased expenditure by nearly 10 million.


How do you pay that back if you fail on your gamble.

Brooks signed a contract until 2021 at Bramall Lane.

Why would we need to pay him an extra 1.5m per annum?

 

[Sean Thornton]

It could be argued that football finance at most clubs is run exactly as in your spoof phone call. Most clubs are not run as 'normal' businesses and instead run up huge debts through player investment year or year that eventually get reset through administration and or the generosity of lenders writing it off (Hello Co-op) or getting some rich new owner to take it on. Taking the moral high ground and suggesting that utd should live within their means probably means that we will never witness a successful team as we will always have to sell players to balance the books. Instead we will be top of the imaginary 'never been in administration' league. It's just a shame that we don't get rewarded for this or our 'sound' financial management.

The reality, rather than other people's money generalisations, is that the owners have fallen out, neither appears to have the money you describe that COULD make us successful and with legal gridlock at the time, we had a rather obvious cash shortfall coming up. There's no "moral high ground" and l don't go in for this "never been in administration" bs either btw it's the financial reality. I think you'll find banks don't lend multi millions to football clubs anymore, owners fund them. Until a billionaire owner comes along we appear to be stuck with it. Is it what anyone wants? Of course not. With things as they are what other options are there? Sell? Where are the buyers? We all know this is our best chance for many years and hopefully Wilder will be given what he wants.

Football debts aren't written off through administration. Ordinary business debts, Paye and vat are, as are owners debts. Which makes wonder why some bother.

 

[Sean Thornton]

We were contractually within our rights to not sell him.

Suggesting he wait until Jan to see if we were in contention wouldn’t have been outlandish.

He’d been one season with the first team, 4 months of which he’d been nursed through glandular fever. I don’t see how his new agent could have exactly claimed he’d given the best years of his life to us!

I’d have liked Wilder to have been stronger there.

Only if you doubted his ability or thought his injury was long term would anyone conclude Bournemouth’s bid was top dollar in the grand scheme of us selling or keeping him.

He’s clearly a special talent. We all saw it. Not one Blade is being wise after the event by stating this.

Fulham didn’t sell Sessignon, Wednesday have kept players, Liverpool resisted a few windows for Coutinho and Saurez. It’s not unheard of to tell the agent and player ‘not now’.

Bournemouth may have been the only bid on the table but there was no obligation to sell. To Howe’s point, a few months of him being over glandular fever would have seen his value increase. Who cares if that meant no sell on? He’d have to go for 100m to make in sell ons what would likely have happened to his fee.

It made no sense to me for the Brooks money to remain untouched if we did sell. The best rationale would be that we made the team better. The forwards are still lacking yet we have this Brooks money sat idle? Why hamstring ourselves?

Only decent explanation is we thought signing Woodburn was a masterstroke. Unfortunately it hasn’t been.

CASHFLOW AND LOSSES. Owners who aren't rich enough. There you have it.

Is the money untouched now?



So many can say what we shouldn't have done but don't follow up with how we'd get along financially - and player wise - without that input. Brooks wanted away. He wanted the money, like we all would.

Keeping an unhappy player? Consider J'OC's decline in form since the bid was turned down? Is that the reason? Who knows, but it could be.

 

[Champagneblade]

CASHFLOW AND LOSSES. Owners who aren't rich enough. There you have it.

Is the money untouched now?



So many can say what we shouldn't have done but don't follow up with how we'd get along financially - and player wise - without that input. Brooks wanted away. He wanted the money, like we all would.

Keeping an unhappy player? Consider J'OC's decline in form since the bid was turned down? Is that the reason? Who knows, but it could be.

Sean, you know the accounts better than most on here. Are you saying that we had to sell to survive? If so is Wilder saying the Brooks money is untouched is a little fanciful on his part?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Sean, you know the accounts better than most on here. Are you saying that we had to sell to survive? If so is Wilder saying the Brooks money is untouched is a little fanciful on his part?

It’s currently about non investment by the owners. Last years losses were reduced because of the sell on fees etc. Costs will have increased and I doubt income is up.

Different people take what the club and Wilder says as it suits. It was a pretty vague statement and it was I think, made early September. We had only received the first tranche by then l believe. We then had a short term facility secured on the remainder organised around October. It’s not left field to assume at least some of that was needed to pay the bills and hopefully top up any transfer funds CW needs .

The trouble is CB, people want to know where things like the Walker and Maguire money sell ons has gone and when you show them, it’s ignored. It’ll be the same with the Brooks money. Without very rich new owners we’re stuck with it. That’s not settling for it, or being a club apologist or any other of the insults thrown about by those who have no idea how to change things other than inventing billionaires to take over. Those people aren’t realists, they just spout the bleeding obvious that anyone with half a brain has known for years.

 

[I should coco]

. That’s not settling for it, or being a club apologist or any other of the insults thrown about by those who have no idea how to change things other than inventing billionaires to take over.

How dare you say people make stuff up?

I've just been down the car park and seen a long queue of gold plated Rollers and Bentleys . McCabe was by the gates in high vis jacket turning them all away.

Seen it wi' mi' own eyes pal so I know it's true.

#weersmunehgone