The moaning brigade

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Maybe we should do a poll,moaning brigade v club apologists
personally,I'm delighted when we win,and pissed off when we lose
 
oldblade said:
I thought we were at our worst for their third goal. Very poor defending. Two players fail to pick up Downing. He should never have got on the end of that cross unchallenged. I hope this was purely because we were a bit shell shocked after going two down.

Other thoughts: The tempo that we had to our game last season seems to have evaporated. I'm sure that if we were pressing with the urgency that we used to have we would not have lost both of our games. And Clarke really should have scored twice. However, he does seem to have periods where he misses a lot of chances and then suddenly goes on a scoring streak. Hopefully this will happen soon!
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And it won't return whilst Evans plays, his play is so negative it ruins any tempo we might have.

I really struggle to see what he brings to the team, he's slow, can't tackle, postionally naive and will probably spontaneously combust if he passes the ball forward.
 
Silent Blade said:
Nothing wrong with carrying on playing the same way as we did last season but it showed last night that it is time for a change as all clubs now know how we play.
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Not quite sure what you mean there Silent. Last night was nothing like how we played in the first half of last season. I tend to agree with CW when he says all teams do there homework and have always known how we play. Stopping us was a different matter. At the moment we are slow, predictable not learning from our mistakes. The one thing I will say is that when a team successfully combats our style we must have a plan B which we don’t really have at the moment
 
Silent Blade said:
Nothing wrong with carrying on playing the same way as we did last season but it showed last night that it is time for a change as all clubs now know how we play.
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All last night showed was not to play slow, negative and shite in a game a football. That is until we bring our creative players on and bang, what happens, we create chances and played a merely low percentage of how we play when we were at our best last season.

We never needed change, we needed to improve some of the players but carry on playing how we did best. On Saturday and last night we changed alright, for the worst by the looks of things, Wilder needs to put this right otherwise he’ll get pelters from our fan base if he carries on with the stubbornness. How Billy, Woodburn and the main link up man Duffy can’t get a game is beyond stupidity.
 
It's got absolutely nothing to do with moaning - it's about debating what we as fans - the fans that shell out money to support out club do. We do it when we win and we do it when we lose.

If everything in the garden was rosy then fine - it quite simple hasn't been since Coutts got injured.

Our management team tried since that horrible day in November to find a solution - they are for me STILL TRYING !!!!!

Do I blame them - NO - do I ask them to keep trying - YES - do I expect them to find a solution - HOPEFULLY - and soon.

As for the team - I would change minimum of 4 players after the season start - and I expect to be able to discuss those on here with fellow Blades. Will it make a blind bit of difference - probably not - but the discussions (and I can only speak/write for myself) helps.

Rant over - and i'll keep debating - if some think that's moaning, then you can fuck right off.

Might as well just shut the fucking site down.

Right - off for another beer - still pissed off about the shit goals we conceded last night and still cross about Saturday - it's because I fucking care.

UTB - yes up the fucking Blades and roll on Saturday and QPR when we go again.
 
Sheffsteel said:
The same people who suggested that Wilder should be given a massive pay rise and a 5 year contract
Are now saying Wilder has been found out and is showing his limitations.

You couldn’t make it up.

It reminds me of the start of the season in league 1 when Wilder first took over and many insisted CW was out of his depth.
Bottom of the league after 4 games but that season didn’t end too badly.

I say this every season, give it 10 games, then we can give a proper appraisal of CW and his squad.
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I was one of those who said he was out of his depth and was proved very wrong. However, this time i'm giving it more time. 2 games in is too early. The opening performances have been poor to say the least and the selection of certain players over others quite baffling. He needs to get back to imposing ourselves on to the other teams from the off instead of pussying around, but do we have players in the team to do that? I guess we have if they are picked to play, but the 2 opening team selections inhibit us from bombing forward. Go back to it Chris.......you know it makes sense.
 
Snowman said:
He's not getting thrown under the bus. He's getting constructively criticised.
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It’s the changing of the narrative. When our form faltered last season, excuses were made, we were ‘over performing’, now as we discuss our situation, it’s being reframed into the last two matches. To use the analogy, it’s not just two bad days at the office, it’s the last two of a bang average month. We started the job all shiny & new suited, now figuratively speaking, we’re rolling into work late, unshaven, without any socks on and our flies undone. It’s not terminal, but we certainly can’t afford another duff(y) month & just need to (billy) sharpen up our act. :)
 
Snowman said:
He's getting constructively criticised.
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I'd say 'abused'.

Most of the trheads are about his 'shit transfer dealings' his inabaility to pick the right team and the dressing room rows he allows to continue unabated. I don't see very much constructive in any of those.

To be fair, I haven't yet seen a "he's lost the dressing room" but if we lose on Saturday I'm sure that will come.....

I never realised we had so many short memoried bed wetters in our support base.
 

metalblade said:
The best thing you can say about Wilder's team selection is he was putting his faith in the players, unfortunately they paid him back in spades, somehow I don't think the same players will be starting at QPR
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Oh I think they will. "It's the best team".
 
HoodedClaw said:
And it won't return whilst Evans plays, his play is so negative it ruins any tempo we might have.

I really struggle to see what he brings to the team, he's slow, can't tackle, postionally naive and will probably spontaneously combust if he passes the ball forward.
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Just incase your memory is only 2 games long... this is what he did the last time he played against boro...
 
Those of us who have been around the block a bit knew, even at the height of euphoria and Chris mania following promotion from League one, that at some point in the future people would start calling for Wilder's head.

That it started after 1 game of the new season and has escalated so far after just 2 games is very, very sad.
He clearly isn't perfect, maybe some thought he was for a while and are venting as they come to terms with this?

A lot has been said about tactics, formations, selections, fitness, budgets, stubbornness etc. I'm not going to try and disect all that and refute the bits I don't agree with in this post. All I would say is that for all he has achieved in the short time he has been with us, he deserves the opportunity to try to put things right and he deserves more respect than some posters have shown him.
 
I should coco said:
I'd say 'abused'.

Most of the trheads are about his 'shit transfer dealings' his inabaility to pick the right team and the dressing room rows he allows to continue unabated. I don't see very much constructive in any of those.

To be fair, I haven't yet seen a "he's lost the dressing room" but if we lose on Saturday I'm sure that will come.....

I never realised we had so many short memoried bed wetters in our support base.
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He's wonderful until and unless he gets "Manageritis". Admittedly he's less prone to it than many before him, but the moment he gets that stubborn head on with the sarky tones you know what's going through his head. They're all prone to it. They wouldn't be manager's if they weren't. However, it's the stubborn ones who know best that fall by the wayside as failures at the Lane (Robson, Weir, Clough, Adkins and I may even stick Blackwell in that as well) Even Neil the Wanker lost it in that last season when all about him said the tactics were wrong, signings were wrong and ultimately his final selection was wrong. But no, Neil was right that year because he deserved to be right.

I have a healthy disrespect for the views of our fans, the majority of which seem to have never kicked a ball on a Saturday or Sunday and derive their knowledge from watching highlights guided by pundits. However, some on here do know their football and know that once a Manager's authority is challenged he will front it out whether he is right or wrong. That's when it starts to go tits up when he is wrong and sees it as an affront to his authority.

I see him playing substantially the same team against QPR despite the shortcomings and when he does, and it loses, you will know he has a case of Manageritis. Just an honest opinion and not abuse.
 
HoodedClaw said:
And the other 20 games he's played for us?
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I think he played pretty well in the home games against Cardiff, Millwall, QPR, Burton and Leeds. Also did okay away at Reading, Ipswich and Bristol City.

Last season he wasn't spectacular, but he seemed solid enough. Certainly seemed to be a reasonable buy.

Generally he appeared to do well when Duffy was playing - Reading, QPR, Leeds, Burton, although Preston at home wasn't too good. There are always exceptions!
 
oldblade said:
I think he played pretty well in the home games against Cardiff, Millwall, QPR, Burton and Leeds. Also did okay away at Reading, Ipswich and Bristol City.

Last season he wasn't spectacular, but he seemed solid enough. Certainly seemed to be a reasonable buy.

Generally he appeared to do well when Duffy was playing - Reading, QPR, Leeds, Burton, although Preston at home wasn't too good. There are always exceptions!
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Funny how we can watch the same games and see it differently, the beauty of football eh.

For me he's far too negative and slows us down. If he could maybe have more belief in himself and try to not take the conservative / safe option nearly everytime might be different. He detracts more than he contributes.
 
HoodedClaw said:
Funny how we can watch the same games and see it differently, the beauty of football eh.

For me he's far too negative and slows us down. If he could maybe have more belief in himself and try to not take the conservative / safe option nearly everytime might be different. He detracts more than he contributes.
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It's probable that the way he plays is influenced by who the other two in the midfield trio are. It seems to me that it might be more than pure coincidence that we won 4 out of the 5 matches in which he and Duffy were two of the three.

If Fleck is the third member of the trio, that would allow Evans to play a deeper and more defensive role than if Lundstram starts. That might suite him better.
 
oldblade said:
It's probable that the way he plays is influenced by who the other two in the midfield trio are. It seems to me that it might be more than pure coincidence that we won 4 out of the 5 matches in which he and Duffy were two of the three.

If Fleck is the third member of the trio, that would allow Evans to play a deeper and more defensive role than if Lundstram starts. That might suite him better.
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Maybe. The issue for me then becomes his inability to tackle, I'm already breaking out in a sweat thinking about the number of fouls he'd give away and in potentially dangerous areas.
 
HoodedClaw said:
Maybe. The issue for me then becomes his inability to tackle, I'm already breaking out in a sweat thinking about the number of fouls he'd give away and in potentially dangerous areas.
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We started with Duffy, Evans and Fleck against Leeds, Reading, Burton and Preston. I can't remember whether or not any fouls were given away by him in dangerous positions in those matches. I know we conceded one goal in each match, but have no idea who was at fault for them. I know we were poor against Preston and deserved to lose, but we were pretty good in the others and deserved to win them.
 
oldblade said:
We started with Duffy, Evans and Fleck against Leeds, Reading, Burton and Preston. I can't remember whether or not any fouls were given away by him in dangerous positions in those matches. I know we conceded one goal in each match, but have no idea who was at fault for them. I know we were poor against Preston and deserved to lose, but we were pretty good in the others and deserved to win them.
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Picked up bookings in 3 of the 4 you've listed, down to not being able to tackle or naive positioning??

As I said before detracts more than he contributes or has contributed.
 
HoodedClaw said:
Picked up bookings in 3 of the 4 you've listed, down to not being able to tackle or naive positioning??

As I said before detracts more than he contributes or has contributed.
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Getting booked doesn't necessarily mean that he gave away a foul in a stupid position, or that he doesn't contribute to the team performance.

Last season Fleck got 14 yellow cards and a red. 2 of his yellows came from those 4 games (Leeds and Preston). The red came in the home defeat to Bristol City. A very important game which was finely poised at the time of his sending off. However, I would never say that he doesn't make a positive contribution to the side.

I don't see Evans as being anything like a key player, but I do think he's not a bad player and has made some useful contributions.

Still, as you say, we all see things slightly differently.
 
I should coco said:
I'd say 'abused'.

Most of the trheads are about his 'shit transfer dealings' his inabaility to pick the right team and the dressing room rows he allows to continue unabated. I don't see very much constructive in any of those.

To be fair, I haven't yet seen a "he's lost the dressing room" but if we lose on Saturday I'm sure that will come.....

I never realised we had so many short memoried bed wetters in our support base.
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Abused? Fuck me.

He's made bad transfers
He's picked the wrong team

What constructive criticism are you looking for? There's threads about who he should play. There's threads about who he should sign.

and yet people who post these are bed-wetters?
 

Loads of disappointed blades at present including me as the window goes flat.
Do we still trust Wilder ? ,I certainly do.
He did say all the way through the window that it could be a slow burn with the loan market ( with a view to buy.) very much in his thoughts.
Premiership and a few championship clubs have really pushed the boat out with signings which means they will be top heavy with players who need to play but are surplus to there squads.
Not saying we should go for 2nd best but there will be a number of quality players not involved, we may be able to cherry pick one or two. Wilder always tries to get the best value for money I think this is the route he's taking. Which is sensible with a limited budget
 
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