Outgoing? Jack O'Connell

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Torrix1889 said:
After reading it in the Sun....by God Nixon is good...
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I’m not claiming he’s great and that he posted it first. I’m just saying that he’s also tweeted it. Christ alive.
 
Blade58 said:
This mornings rag saying CW to offer improved contract to JOC to stave off interest from Burnley, Brighton and Huddersfield
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If he's offered a new one to JOC then he'll have to do the same for Fleck. Sharp, Basham, Coutts and Moore also need sorting out with new contracts. Hope we've enough money left in the pot.
 
Addison said:
If he's offered a new one to JOC then he'll have to do the same for Fleck. Sharp, Basham, Coutts and Moore also need sorting out with new contracts. Hope we've enough money left in the pot.
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We're at a strange point in the club's progression. In a recent interview Wilder agreed that there's a need to review the pay structure. His point seems to hang on parity, in other words that he doesn't want huge differences between player A and player B as in Wilder's view this is bound to cause disruption amongst the players.
Not sure if I agree with this as other clubs seem to exist with certain players getting paid far more than other players. I'd go so far as to suggest that if there's parity (an idea that in principle speaks to the idealist in me) it has the potential to sow discontent amongst our better players.

After all, why would a goalscorer (gold dust I think we'd all agree) regard his salary as being on a similar scale to a fullback or a player who often comes off the bench. Do bear with me as I'm attempting to work my way through what is clearly a complex issue. If Wilder can pull this off, and still continue to take the Blades forward, then he'll have worked wonders. But on our current trajectory we're looking to bring in players capable of taking us forward, and they're going to cost - a lot! I have a feeling that evolution will be gradual but not too slow. Without admitting to exactly how much we've paid for Egan it's clear that it's a club record. Brilliant bit of business by Wilder, and hopefully there's more to come, this season or next.
 
Addison said:
If he's offered a new one to JOC then he'll have to do the same for Fleck. Sharp, Basham, Coutts and Moore also need sorting out with new contracts. Hope we've enough money left in the pot.
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Didn't CW talk for a short while about upgrading as a group rather than have 'superstar' and 'ordinary' wages alongside each other in the same team on tv other night
(But was originally in context of new recruits)
 
Harrisblade said:
Didn't CW talk for a short while about upgrading as a group rather than have 'superstar' and 'ordinary' wages alongside each other in the same team on tv other night
(But was originally in context of new recruits)
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I think what he means is progression as contracts are RE- newed they move up the scale ,it would be a massive task to upgrade them all and of course some will fall .by the wayside if they are not good enough
 
Basham . Coutts and Moore and sharp don’t have to be offered anymore. Sharp is already on a good number, the other three are replaceable. Only if coutts comes back the same player as before injury, does he need to be offered more money
 
Hardly an left sided English centre backs knocking about. Wouldn't surprise if he's playing in a England back 3 with Maguire and Stones in a couple of years time. Give him a new contract to at least get another 12 months out of him and see where we are then.
 
I'd be well pi55ed if we didnt re-work this contract asap?
Didnt miss a second last season, no brainer IMO.
 
Antonb said:
Basham . Coutts and Moore and sharp don’t have to be offered anymore. Sharp is already on a good number, the other three are replaceable. Only if coutts comes back the same player as before injury, does he need to be offered more money
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They're in the last year of their contracts. If we let them run down then there is no resale value and they can talk to other Clubs in January. This was supposed to be something we were trying to avoid.
 
finlaytheblade said:
I think what he means is progression as contracts are RE- newed they move up the scale ,it would be a massive task to upgrade them all and of course some will fall .by the wayside if they are not good enough
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Thats all good in theory but Oconnell only had an upgrade last year and now at the first sign of premiership interest we are looking to upgrade again shortly into the new contract.
 

itsinyerblood said:
We're at a strange point in the club's progression. In a recent interview Wilder agreed that there's a need to review the pay structure. His point seems to hang on parity, in other words that he doesn't want huge differences between player A and player B as in Wilder's view this is bound to cause disruption amongst the players.
Not sure if I agree with this as other clubs seem to exist with certain players getting paid far more than other players. I'd go so far as to suggest that if there's parity (an idea that in principle speaks to the idealist in me) it has the potential to sow discontent amongst our better players.

After all, why would a goalscorer (gold dust I think we'd all agree) regard his salary as being on a similar scale to a fullback or a player who often comes off the bench. Do bear with me as I'm attempting to work my way through what is clearly a complex issue. If Wilder can pull this off, and still continue to take the Blades forward, then he'll have worked wonders. But on our current trajectory we're looking to bring in players capable of taking us forward, and they're going to cost - a lot! I have a feeling that evolution will be gradual but not too slow. Without admitting to exactly how much we've paid for Egan it's clear that it's a club record. Brilliant bit of business by Wilder, and hopefully there's more to come, this season or next.
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This will be CW's biggest challenge this season. It would have been even with a competent united Board behind him but its made 10 times worse by the
 
Addison said:
This will be CW's biggest challenge this season. It would have been even with a competent united Board behind him but its made 10 times worse by the
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Court shenanigans going on. Presumably Bettis has been brought back to help deal with renewing contracts and improving them. Its not just about wages but also about contract length and agents will be driving this process not the Club.

At the same time we are trying to bring in new players to fit within a structure that is unlikely to significantly change until the ownership dispute is resolved. Once we start improving contracts mid contract to try and keep players at the Club then other player agents will be all over it wanting parity for their players.

Add to this questions about the funding of the Club for this season and you do wonder how its going to pan out. If we finish the season with Fleck and OConnell still on Board then that will be a significant achievement. Here's hoping. Good luck CW.
 
Addison said:
They're in the last year of their contracts. If we let them run down then there is no resale value and they can talk to other Clubs in January. This was supposed to be something we were trying to avoid.
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Yes , I get what you are saying.
 
Addison said:
Court shenanigans going on. Presumably Bettis has been brought back to help deal with renewing contracts and improving them. Its not just about wages but also about contract length and agents will be driving this process not the Club.

At the same time we are trying to bring in new players to fit within a structure that is unlikely to significantly change until the ownership dispute is resolved. Once we start improving contracts mid contract to try and keep players at the Club then other player agents will be all over it wanting parity for their players.

Add to this questions about the funding of the Club for this season and you do wonder how its going to pan out. If we finish the season with Fleck and OConnell still on Board then that will be a significant achievement. Here's hoping. Good luck CW.
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No way can we compete with premiership clubs on wages
 
blades78 said:
Hardly an left sided English centre backs knocking about. Wouldn't surprise if he's playing in a England back 3 with Maguire and Stones in a couple of years time. Give him a new contract to at least get another 12 months out of him and see where we are then.
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You mean Maguire and walker surely
 
Where has this myth come from that Basham is competent at dribbling and doing useful things with a football?
 
CW's wage policy was manageable when we were a bunch of L3 players and when we were seen as relegation fodder in the championship. After one good season the vultures are circling on our now 'proven' young players from a club with a recent high youth player pedigree.

Now, maybe he can't hold the squad together with a minimal gap between the highest and lowest paid. If joc is offered double wages by Brighton and we 'have' to let him go (K McC) £6m will be in instalments and we won't get another gem. Therefore, as reported he will have to offer bigger wages, other players in and outside the club will see this and expect same or more.

We need big bucks to keep a squad together now our players are on the radar.

Brooks
Maguire
Walker
Naughton
Jags
 
Bladesman said:


I think Brighton will end up getting Moore since this has happened. Which will hopefully cool any possible interest they had in Jack.
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This is excellent news for us. To be honest if JoC goes to the premiership I want him to be a starter not a backup. If it was to start at say a Burnley I would be more open too it. But not to be sat on the bench.
 
Bladesman said:


I think Brighton will end up getting Moore since this has happened. Which will hopefully cool any possible interest they had in Jack.
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This will probably mean Reading will end up with Sam Baldock as part of the deal.
 
OConnell has played every minute of every friendly ,the only player to do so ,reckon he must need the fitness because of the unit he is ,becoming a sub at a higher level club would be disastrous for him fitness wise ,he is the type of player who needs to be playing.
 

s4-blade said:
Wilder just let slip on the manager’s special football heaven that we’ve turned down £5.5m for him
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So what happens when the interested club offers more? And then what does JOC (and his agent) think about it when he realises he could be on treble what he's getting here?

Fucking hell, it's like groundhog day every fucking season at this club.
 
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