Gone Elsewhere Martin Waghorn

[Pinchy]

Reading and listening to whats out there on Waghorn, I reckon we'll get him.

And I reckon we'll still go for Gallagher on loan.

It has that feel doesn’t it? I’m quite sure you’re right about Gallagher too. Obviously Tufty’s primary targets were Gallagher for the big man (that’s never waivered) and Hogan for the sidekick. That’s faded and Waghorn is now favoured.

Interesting times. No guffaws now at the mere thought of us spending millions on a player. The Agenda Brigade are confused and have had to retreat. They’ll regroup and come back hard, though.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Despite the price tag, CW refuses to give up

It is believed that Waghorn has set his heart on a move to Bramall Lane

Trying to reach a compromise after Hurst puts a £7.5m valuation on Waghorn

Blades will have to break their transfer record again


Wowser


https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/she...et-ipswich-town-s-initial-valuation-1-9260469

I think £5M should be enough. They only paid £250,000 for him from Rangers last

I'm now back to thinking we should go all in on Gallagher. If the likes of Waghorn are carrying these massive prices then surely a younger player who may appreciate in value is more attractive given you could argue it's a 50/50 as to who will contribute most this season.

I think we are going for both tbh.

Waghorn only cost Ipswich £250,000 last season from Rangers. I know they'd like £7.5M for him. Of course they would. But they're not bloody having it - simple as that. They shouldn't get confused by the price tag on other players who have moved on from the Championship for ridiculous fees. Like that Andy Gray bloke from Burnley, for example, who went for £9M didn't he? That was stand-out plain daft at the time. Re-wind 3 or 4 years before that and he was signed by Brentford for just £300,000 from Luton - and few people had heard of him!

How does a player go from being valued at £250,000 or £300,000 to £8m or £9m in 3 or 4 years? Easy! Play for a higher profile club and score some goals! But at the same time, it's ridiculous. And it should tell managers something...these players exist and are out there right now, playing for unfashionable lower league clubs in some cases. Spot them early, see the potential in them, get them signed and develop them, and you can save the club millions, and make the club millions later on.

In Waghorn's case he seems to have been around forever! His arrival on the pitch for Leicester usually brought a moan out of our fans, me being one of them. He always seemed to score against us. And if you look at his record, it's pretty impressive. He's scored just about everywhere he's been. He's had a few setbacks from injuries along the way, but his last two seasons suggest that shouldn't be a concern. And he scored 27 and 16 goals in the past two seasons as well. From what I remember about him, he's not the most devastatingly quick player, but he's an instinctive finisher. Probably more like Sharp than any other player in our current squad. I hope Billy is still playing for us in his 80's - but the reality is he won't be - so having an alternative like Waghorn would be good business imo.

Gallagher, I think, could be a master-stroke if we can pull it off. To be fair I haven't seen much of him, but from what I've researched he sounds like exactly the kind of player that could be plucked from someone's reserves and all of a sudden start to make headlines. Tall, good in the air, technically good and can finish. And would give us something different to what we've got.

 

[Sheffsteel]

It was announced on Talksport in the news bulletin 10 minutes ago

Sheffield UNITED have broken their transfer record and had a 5 million bid accepted for Ipswich’s Martin Waghorn.
Assumd it would be showing as confirmed.

 

[Chief_Froley]

Have you got nothing better to do than check someone's message history just because you don't agree with them and are willing to accept shit excuses for the rest of your life
Plenty of likes in my 111 posts isn't there

I wouldn't brag about the amount of likes you have there mate. I've had single posts that have had more likes than you.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

I think you may be right about that. I certainly think Hurst is a good manager. Track record a bit like Wilder's - grass roots stuff and lower league, working well on little money. Somehow though, I think Hurst will be looking to get some money through the door so he can re-shape the side and create his own team. And despite what he's saying in the press about not wanting Waghorn to go - I think he probably realises that the cash from the sale of Waghorn might be necessary if he is to have available funds to bring a few of his own players in.

I think Brentford are dicing with relegation before the season starts - they've lost some good players over the last 18 months and I can see them struggling this season as well.

Brentford?

That club destined for the Premier League who's quality of football is in a different stratosphere to everyone elses...?

Surely not?

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

I wouldn't brag about the amount of likes you have there mate. I've had single posts that have had more likes than you.

If he could just shut his arsehole for a second and give his mouth a chance.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

With any signing where we pay a large amount, I always like to think of the likelihood of getting our money back if it doesn’t work out. Beattie, Shelton, Hulse, Davis all cost 7 figure sums that we largely made back. At Egan’s age I would expect us to make £4m back if we sold him. Unless we were to sell him in a year’s time, I’d expect Waghorn’s value to fall if we bought him for £5m. Like other’s have said, I’d prefer that sort of sum to go on someone 2-3 years younger...

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

With any signing where we pay a large amount, I always like to think of the likelihood of getting our money back if it doesn’t work out. Beattie, Shelton, Hulse, Davis all cost 7 figure sums that we largely made back. At Egan’s age I would expect us to make £4m back if we sold him. Unless we were to sell him in a year’s time, I’d expect Waghorn’s value to fall if we bought him for £5m. Like other’s have said, I’d prefer that sort of sum to go on someone 2-3 years younger...

But, rather than paying it back in xfer fees, they might pay it back with goals and a potential promotion. Worth far more in the grander scheme of things.

 

[sheffielder]

With any signing where we pay a large amount, I always like to think of the likelihood of getting our money back if it doesn’t work out. Beattie, Shelton, Hulse, Davis all cost 7 figure sums that we largely made back. At Egan’s age I would expect us to make £4m back if we sold him. Unless we were to sell him in a year’s time, I’d expect Waghorn’s value to fall if we bought him for £5m. Like other’s have said, I’d prefer that sort of sum to go on someone 2-3 years younger...

Normally I would agree, however the next 2 seasons could be key with other teams suffering from financial mismanagement. Like Wilder said to Biggs last night, everyone seems to be dismantling their teams at the moment and we are adding pieces to an already strong unit. We have players who would get £10m plus if worse comes to worse in Fleck and Jack, and there is a chance other players could kick on this year to up their own value.

In regards to the team strengthening, Waghorn provides us with significant balance to this unit and Egan's stats in the Championship are unbelievable. They slot right in without having to sell to weaken one spot by selling and kick the can down the team

 

[BladeInIreland]

With any signing where we pay a large amount, I always like to think of the likelihood of getting our money back if it doesn’t work out. Beattie, Shelton, Hulse, Davis all cost 7 figure sums that we largely made back. At Egan’s age I would expect us to make £4m back if we sold him. Unless we were to sell him in a year’s time, I’d expect Waghorn’s value to fall if we bought him for £5m. Like other’s have said, I’d prefer that sort of sum to go on someone 2-3 years younger...

I would of liked us to reduce the average age of our strikeforce too. We could have a problem in a year or two where we have to spend a fortune in this market getting 3 or 4 strikers in at once.
However to balance it, if waghorn was 26 we probably could not afford him.

 

[FTPE]

It was announced on Talksport in the news bulletin 10 minutes ago

Sheffield UNITED have broken their transfer record and had a 5 million bid accepted for Ipswich’s Martin Waghorn.
Assumd it would be showing as confirmed.

Genuinley?

 

[Ben_1982]

If we’re to spend that kind of money I’d have preferred Wells or Marriott . Like Waghorn tho and totally trust CW,AK, PM

 

[Sheffsteel]

It was announced on Talksport in the news bulletin 10 minutes ago

Sheffield UNITED have broken their transfer record and had a 5 million bid accepted for Ipswich’s Martin Waghorn.
Assumd it would be showing as confirmed.

Sorry to have to back track.

Just heard the news bulletin again.
It said ‘Sheffield United have made a record transfer bid of 5 million for Ipswich’s Martin Waghorn”.
The bid is in...but no mention regards it being accepted.

 

[SUFC Guy]

It was announced on Talksport in the news bulletin 10 minutes ago

Sheffield UNITED have broken their transfer record and had a 5 million bid accepted for Ipswich’s Martin Waghorn.
Assumd it would be showing as confirmed.

Joke?

 

[FTPE]

If we’re to spend that kind of money I’d have preferred Wells or Marriott . Like Waghorn tho and totally trust CW,AK, PM

To be honest Ben I was 100% with you on this. Wells and Marriott excite me. We don't know how good Marriott could be, there's no limit to how far this kid could progress and Wells I've liked and wanted for years.
The more I think about it though the more I'm with Wilder. Waghorn is in his prime, he's the finished article, he's coming off the best season of his career, he's proven at this level, is a team player, scores different types of goals and could even be used as a target man which we lack.

 

[Ricky]

He's been in a routine of poor season - good season for the last four and next season he's due a poor one.

He's probably peaked as a player.

Resale value will plummet if he doesn't do well this season. Age is against him, and last season was an exception to the norm so a poor season would see his value quickly return to previous levels.

He's the same player he was last summer when we could've had him for about 400k.

He's still heavier than he should be.

It's his last chance for a big move and he could earn far more elsewhere if Forest and Boro are interested so I don't know why he'd be so keen to come here.

If we sign him then we have no excuse for not signing Sam Gallagher.


He is a player I've always liked who would suit us. But I don't think this is one we should be breaking our transfer record on. Wilder would truly be going from one extreme to the other. £10m+ on Egan and Waghorn would not represent an optimal investment for a club like us.

 

[FTPE]

Sorry to have to back track.

Just heard the news bulletin again.
It said ‘Sheffield United have made a record transfer bid of 5 million for Ipswich’s Martin Waghorn”.
The bid is in...but no mention regards it being accepted.

Yeeeeeeeer, the 'accepted' part is kinda the main bit we need.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

It has that feel doesn’t it? I’m quite sure you’re right about Gallagher too. Obviously Tufty’s primary targets were Gallagher for the big man (that’s never waivered) and Hogan for the sidekick. That’s faded and Waghorn is now favoured.

Interesting times. No guffaws now at the mere thought of us spending millions on a player. The Agenda Brigade are confused and have had to retreat. They’ll regroup and come back hard, though.

Yeah - the wording of the stories in The Star, the comments from Paul Hurst, just all points to there been a successful (for us) outcome.

What will they do. Its like in the movies where the bad guys are defeated and they disappear into hiding, but you are left with the sense they have gone away to concoct revenge on a grander scale. I eagerly anticipate 'Agenda: The Sequel'

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

It's his last chance for a big move and he could earn far more elsewhere if Forest and Boro are interested so I don't know why he'd be so keen to come here.

Perhaps he see's what Wilder has done at our club, see's the style he adopts, see's what he's trying to build and wants to be part of the ride.

 

[Bladesmanstan]

If we’re to spend that kind of money I’d have preferred Wells or Marriott . Like Waghorn tho and totally trust CW,AK, PM

Marriot?? Are u taking the piss? So you'd rather spend £5M on someone that's only played in L1 and L2. He's shit, all he has is pace and lacks in everything else....I'd put my house on it that he would flop massively in this league, that's how confident i am that he is that average.

 

[LJBlade]

He's been in a routine of poor season - good season for the last four and next season he's due a poor one.

He's probably peaked as a player.

Resale value will plummet if he doesn't do well this season. Age is against him, and last season was an exception to the norm so a poor season would see his value quickly return to previous levels.

He's the same player he was last summer when we could've had him for about 400k.

He's still heavier than he should be.

It's his last chance for a big move and he could earn far more elsewhere if Forest and Boro are interested so I don't know why he'd be so keen to come here.

If we sign him then we have no excuse for not signing Sam Gallagher.


He is a player I've always liked who would suit us. But I don't think this is one we should be breaking our transfer record on. Wilder would truly be going from one extreme to the other. £10m+ on Egan and Waghorn would not represent an optimal investment for a club like us.

What if Southampton want £12m for Gallagher?

 

[FTPE]

Marriot?? Are u taking the piss? So you'd rather spend £5M on someone that's only played in L1 and L2. He's shit, all he has is pace and lacks in everything else....I'd put my house on it that he would flop massively in this league, that's how confident i am that he is that average.

You don't score 32 goals last season, 27 in league 1 just by being fast.

 

[blade789]

You don't score 32 goals last season, 27 in league 1 just by being fast.

By your logic then, we don't need a striker. Just stick with Sharp as his league 1 record is on parity with Marriott.

 

[Ricky]

What if Southampton want £12m for Gallagher?

Then we loan him.

Going crazy on Waghorn only to be unable to even loan Gallagher would not add up and would not serve our best interests.

 

[Bladesmanstan]

You don't score 32 goals last season, 27 in league 1 just by being fast.

Che Adams did similar

 

[nopigfansintown]

It seems a lot of money. 2-3 million would seem a fair price for somebody with Waghorn's profile.If we could loan Gallagher, or get him on a view to a permanent deal, perhaps we could then do both deals and have enough left for an attacking midfield player.Gallagher would be the one one that interested me the most, unless the club, agent, or player are asking for ridiculous money.It may well drag on all summer.

 

[BladeInIreland]

Going back to the investment aspect. I just looked back at some of the early comments in this thread on him. Sounds like he's really upped his game. BUT don't we already have this in Clarke? His upturn was even bigger then Waghorns and Waghorn doesn't seem to offer much we don't have.

Iv said before id like first team strikers signed with Clarke and sharp in support. But I don't see the point in dropping either for waghorn.

For me our new striker should be of a good age to build around or an older Lad who offers attributes we don't have. Pace being the big one.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Che Adams did similar

Che Adams stats are much worse:

2014–2016 Sheffield United 47 (11)
2016– Birmingham City 70 (12)

 

[FTPE]

By your logic then, we don't need a striker. Just stick with Sharp as his league 1 record is on parity with Marriott.

Eh? Where did I say that?
Marriott is 10 years younger than Sharp.
Or are you just pointing out to me that Sharp scored as many in league 1? So did Ched!
All I'm saying is you have to have more than pace to do that well in any division.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

It seems a lot of money. 2-3 million would seem a fair price for somebody with Waghorn's profile.If we could loan Gallagher, or get him on a view to a permanent deal, perhaps we could then do both deals and have enough left for an attacking midfield player.Gallagher would be the one one that interested me the most, unless the club, agent, or player are asking for ridiculous money.It may well drag on all summer.

Can only drag on another 2 weeks and 6 days. Going to be some right scrambles on for players.