Outgoing? Simon Moore

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...he’s an ok Championship backup who has been decent for us in L1/Champ.

We need better to progress.
 

I don't get it when people say Moore isn't good enough but Eastwood is. I'm only assuming Eastwood is being kept on as he is inexpensive, not seen him yet make a save which you wouldn't expect a keeper to stop.
 
8lade said:
I don't get it when people say Moore isn't good enough but Eastwood is. I'm only assuming Eastwood is being kept on as he is inexpensive, not seen him yet make a save which you wouldn't expect a keeper to stop.
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Think it's more that Eastwood is still developing whereas Moore seems to be at his level.

Could be wrong like but if Eastwood developed like Jamal did last season, where you could see it happening every few games, that's an exciting thing.
 
Blade58 said:
Looks like the club are to hold contract talks with Moore to try and stave off interest

https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/she...t-talks-with-goalkeeper-simon-moore-1-9251737


Didn't think it made sense to leave us with a loan GK and young Jake.
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From the above article....

"It is thought this, combined with the fact WBA view Moore as a back up to Sam Johnstone rather first choice selection, will persuade Moore to remain with United, despite knowing the Midlands club can afford to significantly increase his salary."

The Star could just as easily say.....

"It is thought this, combined with the fact Sheffield United view Moore as a back up to Dean Henderson rather first choice selection, will persuade Moore to move to WBA, particularly knowing the Midlands club can afford to significantly increase his salary."........

:rolleyes:
 
Moore would be a fool not to push for this move.

He's probably looking at a minimum wage increase of 4k p/w to do the same comfortable job - at a club more likely to end up in the PL, meaning further wage rises and bonuses are likely.
 
Seems a real good lad Moore from my limited experience of him.

I'm one of those who thinks he's decent enough to be part of a goalkeeping squad at a club like ours with the finance available.

However I wouldn't blame him for moving to WBA in light of the fact he's not even our recognised number 1.

I'll always remember him for being one of those players who Wilder brought in and made a difference, and improved that position.
 
The more I hear about this the more i suspect it's Moore's agent conjuring up suposed interest in his client in a bid to strengthen their negotiating position regarding a new contract.

The point they seem to be missing is that nowhere it is mentioned he is considering a move to get more games. If he was, he certainly wouldn't be considering West Brom as he'll have zero chance of dislodging Johnstone from their side.

Come to think of it, he also spent quite some time in Cardiff's reserves so perhaps he is happy to do that whilst earnining maximum $$$.
 
LJBlade said:
What seems odd about it?
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Firstly, Wilder was asked about bids for him yesterday and said there were none. Didn't mention anything about contracts.

Secondly, why would we want to extend the contract of a keeper who hasn't been good enough to start games ahead of Premiership youth players for two seasons running?

He's 28. He's unlikely to improve much.
 
robbiez666 said:
Firstly, Wilder was asked about bids for him yesterday and said there were none. Didn't mention anything about contracts.

Secondly, why would we want to extend the contract of a keeper who hasn't been good enough to start games ahead of Premiership youth players for two seasons running?

He's 28. He's unlikely to improve much.
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Because he’s our only contracted senior goalkeeper, he’s in the last year of his current deal and even if we want to get rid of him next summer there would be a team willing to spend money on him.
 
LJBlade said:
Because he’s our only contracted senior goalkeeper, he’s in the last year of his current deal and even if we want to get rid of him next summer there would be a team willing to spend money on him.
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If there's no interest in him, it would seem a daft time to do this. He's not entirely likely to sign a new contract for a team where he won't play.
 

robbiez666 said:
Firstly, Wilder was asked about bids for him yesterday and said there were none. Didn't mention anything about contracts.

Secondly, why would we want to extend the contract of a keeper who hasn't been good enough to start games ahead of Premiership youth players for two seasons running?

He's 28. He's unlikely to improve much.
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That’s easy. He signs an extended contract - West Brom have to pay us more compensation.

Have you not noticed things like this happen before? Heckingbotham at Barnsley last season for example?
 
Cerberus Blade said:
That’s easy. He signs an extended contract - West Brom have to pay us more compensation.

Have you not noticed things like this happen before? Heckingbotham at Barnsley last season for example?
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If he wants to go to WBA why on earth would he sign an extended contract?
 
mosbolad said:
If he wants to go to WBA why on earth would he sign an extended contract?
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Oh dear!

You lads...what world are you living in?

Signing a contract means zilch! What it does is give the player a guaranteed income for a further period. It doesn’t prevent him from moving. That’s all down to negotiation.

So, in Moore’s case, as it stands today, within a year his contract with United will expire. Put another way, if United don’t want him to continue after that, (or even before that), the maximum United have to pay him is up until the end of his contract. Then, if no one has come in for him, he’s unemployed. No earnings. On the dole. Got it?

However, if United offer him an extended contract then he has certainty of additional income. And United can use that if another club comes in for him, to negotiate a bigger severance payment. So they will say, “if you want him you have to give us this fee PLUS we are committed to paying his wages for another 2/3 years - so you have to commit to buy us out of that contract as well”.

More certainty of income for the player. Better fee for the selling club if he goes. It’s in everyone’s interest - except the buying club who end up paying over the odds because he’s signed s new contract.

To come back to my Barnsley analogy: Hecky signed a new contract with Barnsley on Friday and joined Leeds the following Monday. Why? Because it meant Barnsley got a shed load more money and so did Hecky!

We did the same with Brooks - and have most of our players tied up on longer term contracts for exactly this reason.

:tumbleweed:
 
Cerberus Blade said:
Oh dear!

You lads...what world are you living in?

Signing a contract means zilch! What it does is give the player a guaranteed income for a further period. It doesn’t prevent him from moving. That’s all down to negotiation.

So, in Moore’s case, as it stands today, within a year his contract with United will expire. Put another way, if United don’t want him to continue after that, (or even before that), the maximum United have to pay him is up until the end of his contract. Then, if no one has come in for him, he’s unemployed. No earnings. On the dole. Got it?

However, if United offer him an extended contract then he has certainty of additional income. And United can use that if another club comes in for him, to negotiate a bigger severance payment. So they will say, “if you want him you have to give us this fee PLUS we are committed to paying his wages for another 2/3 years - so you have to commit to buy us out of that contract as well”.

More certainty of income for the player. Better fee for the selling club if he goes. It’s in everyone’s interest - except the buying club who end up paying over the odds because he’s signed s new contract.

To come back to my Barnsley analogy: Hecky signed a new contract with Barnsley on Friday and joined Leeds the following Monday. Why? Because it meant Barnsley got a shed load more money and so did Hecky!

We did the same with Brooks - and have most of our players tied up on longer term contracts for exactly this reason.

:tumbleweed:
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Or the club coming in for a cheap keeper decides to look elsewhere instead knowing he's signed a new contract for that very reason.
 
Cerberus Blade said:
Oh dear!

You lads...what world are you living in?

Signing a contract means zilch! What it does is give the player a guaranteed income for a further period. It doesn’t prevent him from moving. That’s all down to negotiation.

So, in Moore’s case, as it stands today, within a year his contract with United will expire. Put another way, if United don’t want him to continue after that, (or even before that), the maximum United have to pay him is up until the end of his contract. Then, if no one has come in for him, he’s unemployed. No earnings. On the dole. Got it?

However, if United offer him an extended contract then he has certainty of additional income. And United can use that if another club comes in for him, to negotiate a bigger severance payment. So they will say, “if you want him you have to give us this fee PLUS we are committed to paying his wages for another 2/3 years - so you have to commit to buy us out of that contract as well”.

More certainty of income for the player. Better fee for the selling club if he goes. It’s in everyone’s interest - except the buying club who end up paying over the odds because he’s signed s new contract.

To come back to my Barnsley analogy: Hecky signed a new contract with Barnsley on Friday and joined Leeds the following Monday. Why? Because it meant Barnsley got a shed load more money and so did Hecky!

We did the same with Brooks - and have most of our players tied up on longer term contracts for exactly this reason.

:tumbleweed:
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Oh dear...what world are you living in?

Look at it from a players viewpoint. For the second season running a loan player has been brought in to replace you. This season they have even taken your squad number. Even though you are in your last season your club only offers you a new contract when another club lodges an bid for you.

You have been second choice for the last 2 seasons, it doesn't look like much will change. A bigger club wants you. You will still be sat on the bench but on significantly more money and nearer your family down south. The club that wants you are joint favourites for promotion back to the Prem (and more money plus the albeit slim chance of playing in the Prem). They have bid for you. They are in contact with your agent, your increased wages have been discussed, the duration of the contract has been discussed, they are just waiting for their bid to be accepted.

However (and on to your point). The purchasing club do not have unlimited funds. They have a budget to bring in a number 2 keeper. They have a long list of keepers who will fit that bill. If the 'selling' club up their price because (in your scenario) the player has signed a new contract, the interested club may simply move on to another suitable second choice keeper.

What would your decision be Cerberus? Sign a new contract at the club you don't want to be at to really piss the buying club off and f#ck up the move, just so the Blades (where you don't want to be) can get more money.

What world are you living in?
 
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Devils advocate-

Would people be happy if we got say £500k for Moore and then spent a couple of mill on Blackman?

Don’t really see the point in selling as we’d really have to spend a similar amount at least on a replacement of a similar quality. Who’s available at a similar level of quality?

Imo financial we’d be probably about the same chucking a pay rise at Moore to keep him happy.
 
This is possibly happening, was told by one of the players in Portugal
Leaves us light in the nets if anything happens to Henderson
 
Bladeinleeds said:
Devils advocate-

Would people be happy if we got say £500k for Moore and then spent a couple of mill on Blackman?

Don’t really see the point in selling as we’d really have to spend a similar amount at least on a replacement of a similar quality. Who’s available at a similar level of quality?

Imo financial we’d be probably about the same chucking a pay rise at Moore to keep him happy.
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I love the irony of your post... suggesting signing Blackman, who has today signed for Leeds, BladeInLeeds :D
 
We could have a punt on Tomas Holy from Gillingham. He's a big big fucker, so we'd be replacing Blackman in the big big fucker department. He'd cost less than what we'd get for Moore I'd imagine, and he's younger (26).
 
It's a pretty pointless sell if we dont get about a million from him. It'll cost about the same to replace the quality we'd lose, with similar wages to boot.
 

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