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cooperblade said:
I thought (and still do having watched it again) that the first contact was Kane putting his arm across the Colombian's shoulders and pulling him. It wasn't a particularly strong pull granted but it seemed to put the defender in a position where he had to either let Kane go or foul him.

Not sure what I make of the issue of penalties being given for pushing at corners. At every single corner, each team probably commits a minimum of 2 or 3 fouls each and it's incredibly difficult to decide which came first. I don't think players should be allowed to just push and hold but I'm also not bothered about games being decided by a seemingly random lottery of who gets the penalty from a corner. Be interesting to see how it plays out.
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But it’s a contact sport, or used it to be. A certain amount of contact is natural but holding with both arms wrapped around an opponent is a foul and always has been. The sooner refs give a penalty every time this happens in the box the better, players will soon learn to stop doing it.
 

As Tony Montana said to the Colombians who were fucking about with his drug deal in Scarface “Why don’t you try sticking your head up your ass. See if it fits.”
 
GrayBlade said:
"Maybe we are getting a bit smarter," Southgate said.
"Maybe we are now playing some of our game by the rules the rest of the world are playing”.

Very true, if you can’t beat them join them, sad as it might seem. I personally think that United as a team aren’t as savvy as they could be at Championship level.
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It's because we don't have any of those swarthy foreign types......
 
I largely blame the ref. I was thinking 'Has this cunt left his yellow card in the dressing room?' He should have clamped down on the druggie, cheating dagos from the off. When he did finally give a yellow, it was for the headbutt on Henderson. :rolleyes: To be fair, the ref. didn't see it as he was busy trying to get their wall to move back to the shaving foam line (as the druggies were trying to obliterate it with their feet). Now that I have seen before - in the pigs game at BDTBL last season at the Lane end, that cheating little fuck Wallace gave a foul away and squared up to Donaldson. While the ref. was distracted, the pig players were scuffing the line with their trotters.

Back to the headbutt, the ref. didn't see it so why wasn't VAR used? 'Cos it's fucking pointless.
 
grafikhaus said:
I largely blame the ref. I was thinking 'Has this cunt left his yellow card in the dressing room?' He should have clamped down on the druggie, cheating dagos from the off. When he did finally give a yellow, it was for the headbutt on Henderson. :rolleyes: To be fair, the ref. didn't see it as he was busy trying to get their wall to move back to the shaving foam line (as the druggies were trying to obliterate it with their feet). Now that I have seen before - in the pigs game at BDTBL last season at the Lane end, that cheating little fuck Wallace gave a foul away and squared up to Donaldson. While the ref. was distracted, the pig players were scuffing the line with their trotters.

Back to the headbutt, the ref. didn't see it so why wasn't VAR used? 'Cos it's fucking pointless.
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Apparently var was used, they’re the ones that deemed it a foul only, not dangerous play. Hence the yellow.
 
SW12 to S12 to S18 said:
How come there were so many Colombians in the ground. Must have cost a fortune to get there from South America and I thought it is a fairly poor country.
Could be the Russian mafia paying for them I suppose, making drug deals and tickets for the match in one package.
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Putin paid for them. Hadn't you heard?
 
Sean Thornton said:
It's because we don't have any of those swarthy foreign types......
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Haha, that’s a good point, although in fairness there’s a good few British players who’ve managed to emulate Johnny Foreigner (can I use that term pre Brexit?) very well and Franny Lee wrote the book on diving 50 years ago.
 
I thought it was a soft penalty, there was some holding - no more than anyone else does, Kane dived and Sanchez ended up falling on top of him. The holding was probably worth a penalty but Colombia could probably ask why he chose to punish that particular one when 100 similar or worse incidents have been given nothing.

In addition, both Lingard and Harry dived to get penalties. Henderson was caught out head butting someone off the ball. Harry got arsey after one of the Colombians had the nerve to push him back.

Lest we forget, Ali and Young are probably the biggest diving cheats in the entire competition.

This is not to forgive Colombia's Pulis-ball antics and general shithousery, but just for balance. In common with a lot of blokes of a certain age I no longer care whether England win or lose, however I had a slight epiphany last night about why it is I sometimes feel a certain inner glow when they fail.

It's because of the commentary. Last night it was the nightmare scenario of Tyldesley and Hoddle but it could equally have been those BBC twats like Lawrenson or Murhpy. It's like having to listen for 90 (120) minutes to the gobbiest happy-clapper in your ear all night. There is no attempt whatsoever at any sort of sober analysis. Consequently the Colombian upper-head-butter should have been red-carded. There are even Liverpool fans on Rawk who were ashamed of Henderson's play acting for that one. Harry was giving it with the Marcel Marceau TV screen, the new version of the imaginary red card. Henderson's identical heading infringement later passed without comment.

Not a single negative comment is allowed so when Lingard passes it straight to a yellow shirt we hear "he couldn't quite link up with Sterling there". Had a Colombian gone in over the top as Young did we'd have known all about that as well.

To be honest, it's given me a greater insight into why Scots, Welsh and Irish want England to crash and burn so badly. It might not just be their inherent inferiority complex after all.
 
gordoncharles said:
I thought it was a soft penalty, there was some holding - no more than anyone else does, Kane dived and Sanchez ended up falling on top of him. The holding was probably worth a penalty but Colombia could probably ask why he chose to punish that particular one when 100 similar or worse incidents have been given nothing.

In addition, both Lingard and Harry dived to get penalties. Henderson was caught out head butting someone off the ball. Harry got arsey after one of the Colombians had the nerve to push him back.

Lest we forget, Ali and Young are probably the biggest diving cheats in the entire competition.

This is not to forgive Colombia's Pulis-ball antics and general shithousery, but just for balance. In common with a lot of blokes of a certain age I no longer care whether England win or lose, however I had a slight epiphany last night about why it is I sometimes feel a certain inner glow when they fail.

It's because of the commentary. Last night it was the nightmare scenario of Tyldesley and Hoddle but it could equally have been those BBC twats like Lawrenson or Murhpy. It's like having to listen for 90 (120) minutes to the gobbiest happy-clapper in your ear all night. There is no attempt whatsoever at any sort of sober analysis. Consequently the Colombian upper-head-butter should have been red-carded. There are even Liverpool fans on Rawk who were ashamed of Henderson's play acting for that one. Harry was giving it with the Marcel Marceau TV screen, the new version of the imaginary red card. Henderson's identical heading infringement later passed without comment.

Not a single negative comment is allowed so when Lingard passes it straight to a yellow shirt we hear "he couldn't quite link up with Sterling there". Had a Colombian gone in over the top as Young did we'd have known all about that as well.

To be honest, it's given me a greater insight into why Scots, Welsh and Irish want England to crash and burn so badly. It might not just be their inherent inferiority complex after all.
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Are you Scottish?
 

Sean Thornton said:
More of an anti England one sided view really, as rants go.
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"This is not to forgive Colombia's Pulis-ball antics and general shithousery, but just for balance."

There, happy? You've actually made me quote myself. Next I'll be talking about myself in the third person.

Gordoncharles thinks you should at least give posters with contrary views the respect of reading what they say before commenting.
 
gordoncharles said:
I thought it was a soft penalty, there was some holding - no more than anyone else does, Kane dived and Sanchez ended up falling on top of him. The holding was probably worth a penalty but Colombia could probably ask why he chose to punish that particular one when 100 similar or worse incidents have been given nothing.

In addition, both Lingard and Harry dived to get penalties. Henderson was caught out head butting someone off the ball. Harry got arsey after one of the Colombians had the nerve to push him back.

Lest we forget, Ali and Young are probably the biggest diving cheats in the entire competition.

This is not to forgive Colombia's Pulis-ball antics and general shithousery, but just for balance. In common with a lot of blokes of a certain age I no longer care whether England win or lose, however I had a slight epiphany last night about why it is I sometimes feel a certain inner glow when they fail.

It's because of the commentary. Last night it was the nightmare scenario of Tyldesley and Hoddle but it could equally have been those BBC twats like Lawrenson or Murhpy. It's like having to listen for 90 (120) minutes to the gobbiest happy-clapper in your ear all night. There is no attempt whatsoever at any sort of sober analysis. Consequently the Colombian upper-head-butter should have been red-carded. There are even Liverpool fans on Rawk who were ashamed of Henderson's play acting for that one. Harry was giving it with the Marcel Marceau TV screen, the new version of the imaginary red card. Henderson's identical heading infringement later passed without comment.

Not a single negative comment is allowed so when Lingard passes it straight to a yellow shirt we hear "he couldn't quite link up with Sterling there". Had a Colombian gone in over the top as Young did we'd have known all about that as well.

To be honest, it's given me a greater insight into why Scots, Welsh and Irish want England to crash and burn so badly. It might not just be their inherent inferiority complex after all.
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seek help
 
gordoncharles said:
I thought it was a soft penalty, there was some holding - no more than anyone else does, Kane dived and Sanchez ended up falling on top of him. The holding was probably worth a penalty but Colombia could probably ask why he chose to punish that particular one when 100 similar or worse incidents have been given nothing.

In addition, both Lingard and Harry dived to get penalties. Henderson was caught out head butting someone off the ball. Harry got arsey after one of the Colombians had the nerve to push him back.

Lest we forget, Ali and Young are probably the biggest diving cheats in the entire competition.

This is not to forgive Colombia's Pulis-ball antics and general shithousery, but just for balance. In common with a lot of blokes of a certain age I no longer care whether England win or lose, however I had a slight epiphany last night about why it is I sometimes feel a certain inner glow when they fail.

It's because of the commentary. Last night it was the nightmare scenario of Tyldesley and Hoddle but it could equally have been those BBC twats like Lawrenson or Murhpy. It's like having to listen for 90 (120) minutes to the gobbiest happy-clapper in your ear all night. There is no attempt whatsoever at any sort of sober analysis. Consequently the Colombian upper-head-butter should have been red-carded. There are even Liverpool fans on Rawk who were ashamed of Henderson's play acting for that one. Harry was giving it with the Marcel Marceau TV screen, the new version of the imaginary red card. Henderson's identical heading infringement later passed without comment.

Not a single negative comment is allowed so when Lingard passes it straight to a yellow shirt we hear "he couldn't quite link up with Sterling there". Had a Colombian gone in over the top as Young did we'd have known all about that as well.

To be honest, it's given me a greater insight into why Scots, Welsh and Irish want England to crash and burn so badly. It might not just be their inherent inferiority complex after all.
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What a load of bollocks
 
The thread title, gentlemen is "cheats don't prosper". I've simply pointed out some of the England players blatant cheating from last night's game. Because it was there.

I'm sorry that some of you (most of you) don't like to have to come to terms with it.
 
It seems some people hate the fact they're English.

I happen to think being so was a great stroke of luck :)
 
Davalon said:
It seems some people hate the fact they're English.

I happen to think being so was a great stroke of luck :)
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So do I, well said.

What's that got to do with working out exactly what happened during a football match?
 
gordoncharles said:
The thread title, gentlemen is "cheats don't prosper". I've simply pointed out some of the England players blatant cheating from last night's game. Because it was there.

I'm sorry that some of you (most of you) don't like to have to come to terms with it.
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I think you’re a wind-up merchant, and not a very good one at that
 
gordoncharles said:
The thread title, gentlemen is "cheats don't prosper". I've simply pointed out some of the England players blatant cheating from last night's game. Because it was there.

I'm sorry that some of you (most of you) don't like to have to come to terms with it.
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That wasn’t just the content of your post though was it? You also said you enjoyed seeing England fail, apparently because our commentators are arrogant and biased. Each to their own but I suspect that’s what has got other posters’ backs up.
 
georgebernardshaw said:
I think you’re a wind-up merchant, and not a very good one at that
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And I think if you can't tell me which specific incidents that I mentioned in my original post are wrong, and why, then you're an insult to your user name.
 

BushBlade said:
That wasn’t just the content of your post though was it? You also said you enjoyed seeing England fail, apparently because our commentators are arrogant and biased. Each to their own but I suspect that’s what has got other posters’ backs up.
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Possibly. Although that's not exactly what i was saying, BushBlade was it? So I'm getting pelters because I think Clive Tyldesley and Glenn Hoddle etc are twats?

On the other hand, nobody seems to want to tell me why I was wrong about any of those match incidents.

"England were not total innocents, with both Henderson and Harry Maguire leaving themselves open to accusations of being over-theatrical and many others sailing close to the wind."

There you go, from the BBC itself
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44610244
 
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