Outgoing? O’Connell to Brighton

[LJBlade]

So if we get an offer of £5m+ for either of these you honestly think we'll keep them. Fucking hell I give up sometimes.

By the sounds of it we've already said no to Brighton's interest in O'Connell. I'm sure you don't believe that though and it's either that there never was any interest or we're still going to sell him, as that fits your agenda and all that.

Anyway, back to my questions. Where do you sit? Who do you talk to? What are you currently doing to show you won't accept what the club is doing?

 

[Seph_Blade]

Fuck me and apparently this is us with the shutters down on are key players

Don't think we can stop anyone bidding on players though? We can tell them to get knotted but we can't stop them asking.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Where do you sit? Who do you talk to?

Are you serious?

 

[Sean Thornton]

We'll stagnate a lot quicker if we carry on as we are. We've agreed on two years so lets see what next season brings first before panic stations.

We should see what this transfer windows brings before panicking.

Trouble is the lifeboats are already manned.

It's good to see it's women and children first Though

 

[LJBlade]

Are you serious?

That depends, were you being serious?

 

[snootyfenooty]

It's good to see it's women and children first Though

In this day and age? The best they could hope for is someone videoing it whilst they're getting trampled!

 

[mattbianco1]

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For those now aware of 'Wit' - he's CWs mate.

Biggs is a right tool. Starts stirring the shit as if he's an ITK journo, then backtracks:

 

[Sean Thornton]

In this day and age? The best they could hope for is someone videoing it whilst they're getting trampled!

I can still hear the screaming on here.

 

[BushBlade]

I would suggest Harry's contract expiring the following summer had more to do with it. It would have gone to a tribunal which is a wing and a prayer. I don't believe in the notion of forcing a move. He's legally bound by the terms of his contract, the only way he can force a move is if there is a clause in there.He can make things uncomfortable at the club, but if there's five years on his deal we could've made him play with the kids if need be.All in all, he played for the first team aroud 150 times, and it was time to let him progress his career imo. He'd paid the club back for our investment in him.

You’re entitled to your beliefs but most agents will tell you that moves can usually be forced, as will plenty of players and ex-players, managers and ex-managers. I tend to believe them more than I do people with no experience of football. It doesn’t make me right, there is no right because people are individuals and don’t necessarily respond to things in the same way, but I still think it’s a sound general principle.
And I think the reasons you list above are also good reasons to let him move when he did. It was down to Clough to manage the situation correctly, he didn’t.

 

[BushBlade]

Tosh. With the Brooks money alone, not forgetting the Maguire/Walker money, we've got enough in the kitty to cover the losses for the next 3 years and still give Wilder a bit to spend. There's simply no need to sell anyone else. O'Connell & Fleck are on long contracts and they should simply be reminded of this.

Typo: you should have used a colon after the word ‘tosh’.

 

[Sean Thornton]

There are posts on here that mix up - some deliberately - the idea that some fans think it's okay to sell Fleck or J'OC. I can't recall seeing one post to that effect. Not quite the same with Brooks btw. The argument seems to be more about the values attributed. Not one person has explained why no one came in with a higher bid for DB. Or Calvert-Leein. Or Adams, Maguire, Ramsdale. All we get is default position on the boards incompetence.

United not getting £20m for Brooks isn't down to the board. It's because it's a price that bears no relation to reality, borne out by the fact that no one bid an extra million let alone another eight. These people would have this club in administration within months. Thank Gid it's the internet, silly football games and not real life.

 

[nopigfansintown]

You’re entitled to your beliefs but most agents will tell you that moves can usually be forced, as will plenty of players and ex-players, managers and ex-managers. I tend to believe them more than I do people with no experience of football. It doesn’t make me right, there is no right because people are individuals and don’t necessarily respond to things in the same way, but I still think it’s a sound general principle.
And I think the reasons you list above are also good reasons to let him move when he did. It was down to Clough to manage the situation correctly, he didn’t.

I think they can disrupt the harmony of a dressing room and deliberately underperform (although this cuts both ways), and generally act like an ass. They can also make it financially more palatable, by handing in a transfer fee and waving bonuses etc.They can also use pr power inside and outside the dressing room. A contract is a contract is a contract though.That's why getting Brooks, O'Connell and Fleck was such fantastic business for United. Favourable wages, no release clauses.

 

[Sean Thornton]

You’re entitled to your beliefs but most agents will tell you that moves can usually be forced, as will plenty of players and ex-players, managers and ex-managers. I tend to believe them more than I do people with no experience of football. It doesn’t make me right, there is no right because people are individuals and don’t necessarily respond to things in the same way, but I still think it’s a sound general principle.
And I think the reasons you list above are also good reasons to let him move when he did. It was down to Clough to manage the situation correctly, he didn’t.

The number of contract law disputes hitting a judges bench daily should tell people it's not as hard and fast as it suits their argument.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I think they can disrupt the harmony of a dressing room and deliberately underperform (although this cuts both ways), and generally act like an ass. They can also make it financially more palatable, by handing in a transfer fee and waving bonuses etc.They can also use pr power inside and outside the dressing room. A contract is a contract is a contract though.That's why getting Brooks, O'Connell and Fleck was such fantastic business for United. Favourable wages, no release clauses.

No release clauses? Is that a definite?

 

[EddieColquhoun]

I saw no reason then or now why we can’t compete with the likes of Bristol or Forest in the transfer market. They don’t have parachute money and leave us in the dust with signings.
I ask again how they do it?

Bristol City have just sold their 2 biggest assets, Flint and Reid.
i suggest you do a search on Forest's chairman.

 

[Adiroy]

Sadly its not just us as fans what have seen how good JOC is.. we were on sky enough last season for even a bore armchair 'football' supporter to see him enough times to think hes half decent.

One thing ill be near enough certain of though is that the club has put the right things in place on everyones newly signed contracts to protect the club as much as they possibly can financially. Since Wilders come in i cant help but trust him and the club to do as best as what they can do with the situations what they are in!

Id hate to think what we could have got for brooks if he didnt re-sign an improved deal last october or whatever it was!

 

[snootyfenooty]

Typo: you should have used a colon after the word ‘tosh’.

You don't, It's a noun. You can use it singularly as a remark or as part of a sentence. I could have started with the word "nonsense" with a full stop instead. However, if you put it at the end then you may use a colon, which is what I'll do to describe your post: nonsense.

 

[nopigfansintown]

No release clauses? Is that a definite?

I'm sure I've heard interviews re Fleck and Brooks. Not sure on JOC but presumably the same.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Brooks no release clause: https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...ool-contract-clause-Chris-Wilder-Championship

 

[mattbianco1]

Bristol City have just sold their 2 biggest assets, Flint and Reid.
i suggest you do a search on Forest's chairman.

But have signed Andreas Weimann

 

[Mouth of the South]

for an extra £15k a week I'd do it, wouldn't you?

Yep and for a lot less than and extra £15k a week

 

[Sean Thornton]

Bristol City have just sold their 2 biggest assets, Flint and Reid.
i suggest you do a search on Forest's chairman.

He's still getting over finding out Burnley sell players all the time.

 

[Bladezz]

JoC is an integral part of our first team and his price should be done accordingly. We sell him we sell the chance of Premiership football. £25million he’s yours.

Was a different case with Brooks we were selling potential.

Brighton want him on the cheap he wasn’t even first choice as Brighton wanted Moore first. He would be on there bench. £25m for a bench player would be high for them.

 

[LenTednTony]

No.....,no......no! No price is big enough to get JOC imo, nor Fleck. They need to be here this coming season as they are the heart and engine of our team. Next some one will say’ they can have him for £x. NO, THEY REALLY CAN’T!

 

[Maidenhead]

JoC is an integral part of our first team and his price should be done accordingly. We sell him we sell the chance of Premiership football. £25million he’s yours.

Was a different case with Brooks we were selling potential.

Brighton want him on the cheap he wasn’t even first choice as Brighton wanted Moore first. He would be on there bench. £25m for a bench player would be high for them.

Why £25m?

We don't want to sell so the money's not relevant.

If we are forced to sell we will get whatever we can.

The players hold all the cards, if they really want to go, they go.

We are left to rescue whatever we can from the situation.

 

[fuerstenberger]

My own experience, admittedly pre Bosman and in Germany, was that most player contracts seriously favour the clubs. The clubs had all the power. I am led to believe that currently in the UK, the situation has not changed much from my pre historic, German experience. Make of that what you will. That also may explain why players and other staff have agents. They do, after all, handle all the legal stuff. I had a lawyer represent me when I signed, his role and actions were very similar to that of a modern day agent.

 

[Bladezz]

Why £25m?

We don't want to sell so the money's not relevant.

If we are forced to sell we will get whatever we can.

The players hold all the cards, if they really want to go, they go.

We are left to rescue whatever we can from the situation.

Doesn’t really work exactly like that though. Brighton could do that to everyone in League and not buy any. JoC knows he wasn’t first choice and Brighton aren’t even looking for a first choice centre half.

He would be on the bench and he knows it.

We quote them £25mill they will fall back and move on and sign someone else.

 

[Maidenhead]

Doesn’t really work exactly like that though. Brighton could do that to everyone in League and not buy any. JoC knows he wasn’t first choice and Brighton aren’t even looking for a first choice centre half.

He would be on the bench and he knows it.

We quote them £25mill they will fall back and move on and sign someone else.

Brighton tell his agent we'll pay him £25k a week to sit on our bench, what do you think he will choose?

I know what I'd do.

 

[cooperblade]

Again, you do know that what a few fans on the internet think has no effect on what the club does, don't you?

Not until Phippsy's back anyway...

 

[BushBlade]

You don't, It's a noun. You can use it singularly as a remark or as part of a sentence. I could have started with the word "nonsense" with a full stop instead. However, if you put it at the end then you may use a colon, which is what I'll do to describe your post: nonsense.

You’re as ignorant as you are arrogant.