So..12mill plus add ons for brookes...how much does wilder get to reinforce?

[Steve Mackan]

Agree entirely. We both know how it will be read by some though.

Indeed.

The art of the old football cliche, 'the wheeler dealer,' is becoming less and less of a thing. It's sad, as it's actually why CW and a few others are top managers. Having the yes/no say on transfers and therefore value for money is arguably Wilder's biggest asset for this club. Sell-on value with 90% of his signings.

With that in mind, can't see an incoming signing costing more than £1.5 million up front.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Indeed.

The art of the old football cliche, 'the wheeler dealer,' is becoming less and less of a thing. It's sad, as it's actually why CW and a few others are top managers. Having the yes/no say on transfers and therefore value for money is arguably Wilder's biggest asset for this club. Sell-on value with 90% of his signings.

With that in mind, can't see an incoming signing costing more than £1.5 million up front.

I'd plump for maybe one at £2m. So with wages that's around £3m for the year. A couple at a million each - unlikely? - is another three million. The rest for January then a couple of loanee fees and wages. Soon gone.

 

[Steve Mackan]

I'd plump for maybe one at £2m. So with wages that's around £3m for the year. A couple at a million each - unlikely? - is another three million. The rest for January then a couple of loanee fees and wages. Soon gone.

There or thereabouts. And that's not a problem for me. I'm all for it.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Agree entirely. We both know how it will be read by some though.

I think that's one thing everyone will agree on. There's zero possibility of United spending £10m in one transfer window. Talk of £15-20m is la la land territory.

 

[snootyfenooty]

With that in mind, can't see an incoming signing costing more than £1.5 million up front.

I said this figure in an earlier thread. £2-3m equates to having to pay them a wage of £15-20k pw and this busts United's salary cap (in other words Billy and Bash will get the narks on).

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Can we buy a new fax machine with the funds?

 

[Rodders]

Can we buy a new fax machine with the funds?

You've clearly not thought about on-going maintenance and engineer costs. The S2 magic money tree strikes again!

 

[Rodders]

I'd plump for maybe one at £2m. So with wages that's around £3m for the year. A couple at a million each - unlikely? - is another three million. The rest for January then a couple of loanee fees and wages. Soon gone.

In today's munneh, a £2m signing wouldn't be near the quality Brooks has - so.. surely if the fee doesn't cover the cost of replacing him adequately... we don't sell him?

And the thought of losing a talent like Brooks to get some more wankers like James Wilson in to ponce about..... Christ.

 

[Sean Thornton]

In today's munneh, a £2m signing wouldn't be near the quality Brooks has - so.. surely if the fee doesn't cover the cost of replacing him adequately... we don't sell him?

And the thought of losing a talent like Brooks to get some more wankers like James Wilson in to ponce about..... Christ.

Well you've nailed my post there. Got what l said word for word. A refreshing change on here......

 

[Sean Thornton]

Can we buy a new fax machine with the funds?

****

 

[pommpey]

Nobody knows - it's why most transfer fees are 'undisclosed'.

But before we get too excited, according to this link:

Sheffield United boss Chris Wilder wants the cash from David Brooks’ £12million sale to Bournemouth to bolster his transfer kitty.

Wilder already has £10m to spend and also wants a sizeable chunk of Brooks’ fee, which will rise to £15m with add-ons, for new players for his Championship side.

So even if CW gets, say £20m to spend (which ain't gonna happen) it doesn't come near what clubs were spending in 2016/17 and we've got three PL teams coming down with parachute payments (and Stoke's Coates is reckoned to be the 25th richest man in British football):

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Personally, I'd like to see us lump the reported £8m on Matej Vydra as we can't expect Billy & Leon to keep delivering the goods, but then he'll be on big wages, dressing room harmony etc.

The promoted teams spent more than us. Its the only figure which matters.

pommpey

 

[Harrisblade]

The promoted teams spent more than us. Its the only figure which matters.

pommpey

Wednesday have spent MUCH more than us over last 3 or so seasons.
Doesn't seem to have done the trick though

 

[pommpey]

Wednesday have spent MUCH more than us over last 3 or so seasons.
Doesn't seem to have done the trick though

They ended up in the playoffs, season before last.

And they were promoted, and stayed promoted longer than us.

pommpey

 

[Harrisblade]

They ended up in the playoffs, season before last.

And they were promoted, and stayed promoted longer than us.

pommpey

Somehow I don't think many Blades would see staying in the Championship as a success if we'd spent as much as they have.

 

[pommpey]

Somehow I don't think many Blades would see staying in the Championship as a success if we'd spent as much as they have.

Ask us that three years ago under Adkins when we were selling players and buying bobbins for nowt.

Ask us that when Ched went to jail and the goals dried up and they deftly overtook us.

pommpey

 

[Sean Thornton]

Out of out league???

A bloke that can hit himself in the face with a ball he just kicked out of his own hands?

Sounds right up our street.

Worthy of a Nyron award.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

The sale of Brooks is a very good deal for United in money terms. £12M rising to possibly £15M is a lot of money for a young player that was not even a regular first team choice.

Don't get me wrong, I think Brooks is one of the most talented young players I've seen come through United's books for many a year, but he wasn't the finished article by any means and still has a lot to add to his game. For whatever reason, Wilder didn't play him very often from the start. In fact, let's be honest, Wilder didn't seem to know what talent he had and was all for sending him off to Chesterfield for a season's loan, when all of a sudden the kid returned from the England Tournament as the star of the show.

It was only at that moment that Wilder seem to do a double-take and decide to keep him at the Lane and send them Louis Reed instead. Wilder played Brooks mainly as an impact player, from the bench. An exception to this of course was the Sheffield derby at Hillsborough when he played Brooks just behind Clarke - to devastating effect! But even after that it didn't seem that Wilder was convinced that Brooks was worth a regular start in the team. That must have been hellish frustrating for Brooks and I recall one interview where he was saying he just wanted to start more games.

We all know about Brooks illness, which kept him out of the team for some time, but even before that and on his return after it, it seemed like he hadn't done enough to carve out an automatic first team place for himself. So, it's no wonder really that the kid has jumped at the chance to move on. He'll get more first team football at Bournemouth, he'll be playing in the Prem, and he'll get 10% of the £12M signing on fee in his back pocket. Who wouldn't want to leave in those circumstance?

And hopefully Wilder will see a big chunk of the £12M and be able to buy 2 or 3 new players to strengthen the team overall? If he's allowed to do that then I suppose everyone will be happy?

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

I'd plump for maybe one at £2m. So with wages that's around £3m for the year. A couple at a million each - unlikely? - is another three million. The rest for January then a couple of loanee fees and wages. Soon gone.

Yep, I think that's near enough the spend, save for the additional £1m or £2m that was probably earmarked in the pre-DB budget. Admittedly, it's not going to buy many finished articles, but it's still a decent amount. I have an issue with our domestic only recruitment policy, which although I understand from the point of communication & team spirit, does limit us somewhat. However, we've seen DB go from chesterfield loanee to £15m wunderkid is 12 months, as well as Maddison go from £2m to £20m in two seasons, so there's nothing stopping us from picking up a couple of unpolished gems. I have no issue with us selling our best/better players, as long as the general direction of travel is forward.

 

[Blade58]

Let's hope this thread aint a pointless one


twirlo:

just been told of the same bloke that tells me the other stuff, Brookes as failed his medical,what on i dont know but there gonna try n sort it and have an other. wether its bull and hes pulling mi leg i dont know. Billy sharp looking fit as phuck and smiled when asked about gallagher. cant believe how trim he looks .lol

 

[Blade56]

Let's hope this thread aint a pointless one


twirlo:

just been told of the same bloke that tells me the other stuff, Brookes as failed his medical,what on i dont know but there gonna try n sort it and have an other. wether its bull and hes pulling mi leg i dont know. Billy sharp looking fit as phuck and smiled when asked about gallagher. cant believe how trim he looks .lol

I had a gut feeling his medical might have been problematic given his past 6 months of medical issues as a opposed to physical issues.

 

[pommpey]

And hopefully Wilder will see a big chunk of the £12M and be able to buy 2 or 3 new players to strengthen the team overall? If he's allowed to do that then I suppose everyone will be happy?

Dude - once again, everyone is assuming Wilder will be gifted some or all of the generated cash from Brooks's sale.

Can someone here please tell me what happened to the five or six odd million generated from the sell-ons of Maguire and Walker?

No one has an answer. We can safely assume none of it ended up as squad augmentation. See therefore the cash from Brooks, unless McCabe and his bete noir can bring themselves to make some or other explanation about this to the supporters. Also, we'd like to know why there has been zero movement in the transfer market to better last year's squad so we aren't one brick thick in the Coutts department.

Mushrooms/bullshit springs to mind.

pommpey

 

[Sean Thornton]

Dude - once again, everyone is assuming Wilder will be gifted some or all of the generated cash from Brooks's sale.

Can someone here please tell me what happened to the five or six odd million generated from the sell-ons of Maguire and Walker?

No one has an answer. We can safely assume none of it ended up as squad augmentation. See therefore the cash from Brooks, unless McCabe and his bete noir can bring themselves to make some or other explanation about this to the supporters. Also, we'd like to know why there has been zero movement in the transfer market to better last year's squad so we aren't one brick thick in the Coutts department.

Mushrooms/bullshit springs to mind.

pommpey

No one has an answer. Because the accounts aren't out. I told you that yesterday.

No one on here is hiding anything so you asking the question, yet again, that you know no one has an answer to is baffling.

 

[Wapping Blade]

Dude - once again, everyone is assuming Wilder will be gifted some or all of the generated cash from Brooks's sale.

Can someone here please tell me what happened to the five or six odd million generated from the sell-ons of Maguire and Walker?

No one has an answer. We can safely assume none of it ended up as squad augmentation. See therefore the cash from Brooks, unless McCabe and his bete noir can bring themselves to make some or other explanation about this to the supporters. Also, we'd like to know why there has been zero movement in the transfer market to better last year's squad so we aren't one brick thick in the Coutts department.

Mushrooms/bullshit springs to mind.

pommpey

It went to pay wages/offset losses, simple.

 

[Sean Thornton]

It went to pay wages/offset losses, simple.

Now you've done it. He'll want a breakdown including paper clip costs.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

It went to pay wages/offset losses, simple.

My understanding also, WP. We start every season with the understanding that we're going to lose £5m. McCabe has stuck the best part of £80m in during his tenure and has neither the appetite nor money to replicate his expenditure. We also have an ownership structure that wasn't ideal when it was created and now appears to be in litigation. I would suspect that the as soon as the DB money clears our account, the first £5m will be used to make sure we at least break even this year. Hopefully, CW will then put as much of the remainder as he is given to good use, buying the likes of dangerous dylan bronn & marvelous marvin spielmann, like what I said.

 

[pommpey]

Now you've done it. He'll want a breakdown including paper clip costs.

Cool. So we'll have conveniently forgotten about it by the time the accounts come out, yeah? I mean, it's only six million. Easy to mitigate away in some margin with a nominal title which doesn't quite suggest it was 'available cash for squad strengthening', yeah. Not like we needed to strengthen, mind. Plenty of strength in depth once Coutts was out. Just like we had loads of left wingers when we sold Murphy. Solid at the back when we let Maguire go.

Blades Way

pommpey

 

[Sean Thornton]

Cool. So we'll have conveniently forgotten about it by the time the accounts come out, yeah? I mean, it's only six million. Easy to mitigate away in some margin with a nominal title which doesn't quite suggest it was 'available cash for squad strengthening', yeah. Not like we needed to strengthen, mind. Plenty of strength in depth once Coutts was out. Just like we had loads of left wingers when we sold Murphy. Solid at the back when we let Maguire go.

Blades Way

pommpey

You won't forget though.

Care to suggest where you think it's gone rather than just asking questions?

 

[Sean Thornton]

My understanding also, WP. We start every season with the understanding that we're going to lose £5m. McCabe has stuck the best part of £80m in during his tenure and has neither the appetite nor money to replicate his expenditure. We also have an ownership structure that wasn't ideal when it was created and now appears to be in litigation. I would suspect that the as soon as the DB money clears our account, the first £5m will be used to make sure we at least break even this year. Hopefully, CW will then put as much of the remainder as he is given to good use, buying the likes of dangerous dylan bronn & marvelous marvin spielmann, like what I said.

HRH also made a repayable loan in the 2017 financial year, presumably to assist cash flow.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Dude - once again, everyone is assuming Wilder will be gifted some or all of the generated cash from Brooks's sale.

Can someone here please tell me what happened to the five or six odd million generated from the sell-ons of Maguire and Walker?

No one has an answer. We can safely assume none of it ended up as squad augmentation. See therefore the cash from Brooks, unless McCabe and his bete noir can bring themselves to make some or other explanation about this to the supporters. Also, we'd like to know why there has been zero movement in the transfer market to better last year's squad so we aren't one brick thick in the Coutts department.

Mushrooms/bullshit springs to mind.

pommpey

Las years financials. No owner investment in the summer window. Owner investment in January: Prince: "This year we might break even but only because of the (Kyle) Walker and (Harry) Maguire (sell-on) deals. But we expect another deficit next season. We are break even only if we assume there is no activity in January and I think that is not a correct projection".

Read more at: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...bdulaziz-al-saud-interview-part-two-1-8826088

 

[super_pig]

on previous experience i’d say none