Perspective

[Jim Chimmerney]

Typical 'play the man, not the ball' post.

How's about you offer some explanations, then?

pommpey

I prefer to wait and see what happens rather than presume the worst and use it as another cheap dig at the club.

 

[Rusty view]

Scoring in World Cup Finals...

£12m + £3m + sell-on for a kid who has been all potential (and he’s got plenty) but little substance so far is a very difficult one to refuse.

The only relevant question is whether we’ll have a better team for next season than the last. At the moment, nobody is in a position to answer that question, though we are already ‘fucked for ten years’ according to one expert.

Much depends on how much Tufty will be allowed to spend. It seems to me that ‘most of it’ is the least one should expect. But it’s not yet time for ‘fire and fury’

Nailed.

 

[I should coco]

Where's t'munneh?

Covering t'losses......again

Unless we needed the money to run the club and we'd fold otherwise

We do need it.

We have lost between £3-6m every year for the last few years.

When will people on here accept that these loses have to be paid for in some way. In the absence of a sugar daddy, we sell players. It really is that simple.

 

[grafikhaus]

Always the same excuses, these same threads are made after we undersell each young player.

...said the fans of every club who aren't in the PL or don't have multi-squillionaire owners everywhere. We'll live without Brooksy.

 

[Nade]

If he had had pace and a nasty streak we’d have flogged him in 2003 for a record fee. And he’d probably have had ten years in the top half of the premiership.

I remember him having pace when he played on the wing during the triple assault season. He used to skin people regularly. At some point he seemed to lose that a bit.

We kept onto him and he probably didn't turn out quite as good as he'd promised in the early days. Could have been the same with Brooks, we don't know.

People don't seem to understand potential. Brooks has it, but it is only potential right now - he showed glimpses but he was inconsistent and frustrating to watch sometimes. I'm happy to wait until Wilder speaks but there's nothing to say he'd get more consistent than he currently is and, bouncing day aside, he was generally pretty shit when he started a game.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Covering t'losses......again



We do need it.

We have lost between £3-6m every year for the last few years.

When will people on here accept that these loses have to be paid for in some way. In the absence of a sugar daddy, we sell players. It really is that simple.

If that's genuinely the case then £12m is obviously welcome.

Difficult to accept when Wilder had already been given an 'increased' transfer budget. And I genuinely think we would have seen something special this year and could have got £20m next year

 

[SUFC Guy]

and what if a transfer clause amount was activated in his contract - would people still be mad at the club?

We have to live and survive in the 'now' and not in the 'what might be later on if blah blah blah and blah blah blah happens'

If it is a £15m deal then I would be disgusted if it was turned down as no 'one' player comes before the survival and immediate progression of the club!

UTMB

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Our biggest gap has been an attacker with pace, who can score goals and reek havoc on his own in games when the team isn't playing well.

We had one - now we dont.

Good luck trying to find another with c£10m...

 

[RammyBlade]

Although I am disappointed that DB has gone we need to consider that DCL and Ramsden were sold at similar ages and progress and their funds went to improve the squad overall which led to us getting back in the Championship so hopefully this sale will help us improve the squad overall and give us a fighting chance of a play off spot - ONE player doesnt make a team !

 

[RammyBlade]

The one thing I can't get my head around.

Its Bournemouth ffs.

How the hell have a tiny club like that nabbed out best talent?
I wouldn't be half as gutted had he buggered off to Liverpool or somewheŕe like that.

Its a tiny club that gets £150 million per year from TV alone !!

 

[broomhillblade]

I recall there was a similar uproar when the club sold Lee Morris to Derby for £3 million, which was serious money in those days.
He hardly set the world alight.

As for Brooks, time will tell...

 

[RammyBlade]

We talk of perspective, across the city, they have just lost an allegedly great talent, a striker that's proved his self in many differeing levels of football, scoring in all, prolific in all and yet they lost him for around £200k. Potential is great, but until it's fully realised it's worth very little. Comparisons have been made to players we have sold on before, the one I compare brooks to is che adams, came through from no where in a blaze of glory, bags of potential yet not pulled any trees up in Birmingham so before we hang wilder and mc cabe for selling the family jewels let's see if A brooks becomes the player most think he already is and B if wilder gets an increased transfer budget, if the latter doesn't appear then maybe the budget was made, knowing brooks was going.
Let's wait and see befor e we start to slip off shoes

Who have the pigs lost ? Hurst ?

 

[Bert]

Our biggest gap has been an attacker with pace, who can score goals and reek havoc on his own in games when the team isn't playing well.

We had one - now we dont.

Good luck trying to find another with c£10m...

He's scored 3 goals in 30 appearances.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

He's scored 3 goals in 30 appearances.

In his first full season at this level which was somewhat hampered by glandular fever.

Jees, I think the 6 years in League One have affected some people's perspective.

We don't get better by selling our best players.

 

[Harrisblade]

He's scored 3 goals in 30 appearances.

And the one at Millwall was probably meant to be a cross

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

Seriously fella do you even watch United?
Goals out of near nothing, moments of magic against 2 of our greatest rivals

You'll have to be more specific. Can you compile a list for me?
My feeling is that we're getting more than a million quid per 'moment of magic'.

 

[JohnDenver]

I remember him having pace when he played on the wing during the triple assault season. He used to skin people regularly. At some point he seemed to lose that a bit.

We kept onto him and he probably didn't turn out quite as good as he'd promised in the early days. Could have been the same with Brooks, we don't know.

People don't seem to understand potential. Brooks has it, but it is only potential right now - he showed glimpses but he was inconsistent and frustrating to watch sometimes. I'm happy to wait until Wilder speaks but there's nothing to say he'd get more consistent than he currently is and, bouncing day aside, he was generally pretty shit when he started a game.

Must admit, I never thought he had pace. He was a great dribbler that season but he beat men by getting them off balance, not by straight outrunning them. He just lost a bit of that swagger as defenders learned more about him.

If he was better he’d have left us earlier. So our heroes as unitedites are always flawed.

 

[s4-blade]

Our biggest gap has been an attacker with pace, who can score goals and reek havoc on his own in games when the team isn't playing well.

We had one - now we dont.

Good luck trying to find another with c£10m...

Do you genuinely believe that?

(And by the way, Derby want 8 million for top scorer Vydra so your last line is even more tosh)

 

[8lade]

You'll have to be more specific. Can you compile a list for me?
My feeling is that we're getting more than a million quid per 'moment of magic'.

But we're not selling that, we're selling the next 15 years worth. Is it still worth it?

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

He's scored 3 goals in 30 appearances.

In his first full season at this level which was somewhat hampered by glandular fever.

Jees, I think the 6 years in League One have affected some people's perspective.

We don't get better by selling our best players.

You'd count him as one of our best players? Based on what?

I wouldn't even have had him in my top 5 last season.

 

[grafikhaus]

Jees, I think the 6 years in League One have affected some people's perspective.

But surely that's the point? In our first season in League One (2012-13) we - incredibly - did the double over Bournemouth. Since then (pre-Wilder) we've stagnated and are still bearing the brunt of six years in that division. Bournemouth (and Stoke who we last played on 4/12/2007) haven't stagnated and now have telly money - and mega-rich owners - to come in and nick our better players.

I go back to when we sold Jones and Birchenall. I thought life doesn't get worse than that, but many years experience tells me that it's only a game. Good luck to Brooksy. We can't afford to turn down money like that - no club of our size can. If DB progresses, Bournemouth will merely be a 'staging post' in his career. Money aside, I'd rather be playing at BDTBL in front of double the crowds they get at Bournemouth and who will, shortly, get reeled into a relegation fight. We got DB for nowt and will get a massive profit, unlike that shower of shite over at S6 who've overpaid for has beens and have let their only young talent go from under their snouts.

 

[Sean Thornton]

In his first full season at this level which was somewhat hampered by glandular fever.

Jees, I think the 6 years in League One have affected some people's perspective.

We don't get better by selling our best players.

Potential best player. He was nowhere near our best player last season.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

But we're not selling that, we're selling the next 15 years worth. Is it still worth it?

In my opinion yes. In yours I'm guessing no. Time will tell.
I'll have a friendly wager with you. If his next club pay more for him than what we sell him for, I'll show my arse on the City Hall steps and you do the same if he goes for less

 

[Darthblade]

and what if a transfer clause amount was activated in his contract - would people still be mad at the club?

We have to live and survive in the 'now' and not in the 'what might be later on if blah blah blah and blah blah blah happens'

If it is a £15m deal then I would be disgusted if it was turned down as no 'one' player comes before the survival and immediate progression of the club!

UTMB

Tufty did tell us when DB signed his new contract that there was no "buy out" clause in it and he hadn't asked for one.

Agree with what you say regarding "no 'one' player comes before the survival and immediate progression of the club" …… absolutely true mate.

The question is; will the 12m be given to Tufty in addition to his existing "mid-table" budget ……. THAT would really enable the Club to progress and it would then be "good business".

UTB & FTP

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Potential best player. He was nowhere near our best player last season.

Given it was his first season and that was hampered by glandular fever, I think we saw enough to be confident he'd have been our 'difference maker' this coming season.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

But surely that's the point? In our first season in League One (2012-13) we - incredibly - did the double over Bournemouth. Since then (pre-Wilder) we've stagnated and are still bearing the brunt of six years in that division. Bournemouth (and Stoke who we last played on 4/12/2007) haven't stagnated and now have telly money - and mega-rich owners - to come in and nick our better players.

I go back to when we sold Jones and Birchenall. I thought life doesn't get worse than that, but many years experience tells me that it's only a game. Good luck to Brooksy. We can't afford to turn down money like that - no club of our size can. If DB progresses, Bournemouth will merely be a 'staging post' in his career. Money aside, I'd rather be playing at BDTBL in front of double the crowds they get at Bournemouth and who will, shortly, get reeled into a relegation fight. We got DB for nowt and will get a massive profit, unlike that shower of shite over at S6 who've overpaid for has beens and have let their only young talent go from under their snouts.

Fair points but the difference between us (10th) and a top 6 finish was lack of quality in both final thirds.

We've just sold the one player we have/had who could have ticked off one of those boxes for this coming season....

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

You'd count him as one of our best players? Based on what?

I wouldn't even have had him in my top 5 last season.

So you don't rate him as one of our best players? Wow. Thank god you're not in charge of the team!

Based on statistical output you could say the same of Coutts.

Based on what we saw from his illness ravaged first full season, I think we saw enough to know he'd have been if not the, one of our top players this coming season.

Whether you agree or not, Eddie Howe and Chris Coleman/Ryan Giggs certainly rare him.

 

[SUFC Guy]

Tufty did tell us when DB signed his new contract that there was no "buy out" clause in it and he hadn't asked for one.

Agree with what you say regarding "no 'one' player comes before the survival and immediate progression of the club" …… absolutely true mate.

The question is; will the 12m be given to Tufty in addition to his existing "mid-table" budget ……. THAT would really enable the Club to progress and it would then be "good business".

UTB & FTP

During the talks with the owners I would expect that the board would have said any money you make from sales will go back into the squad - you manage the sales and the purchases as CW states that what he does. I hope so anyway but the Bournemouth interest goes back to 2017 and DB was probably always on his bike this summer. It could explain his below par performances towards the end of the season - why knacker yourself up to stop you being a millionaire PL footballer?

Even before this sale we've had a 'significant' increase to the budget and this additional amount can only help recruitment. After all, DB was in fact only a bit part player and did everyone have DB in their starting 11 for this season?

My main concern would be how we would replace Coutts, Jack O and Fleck if they were sold.

I still have a very positive feeling about this season.

UTMB

 

[Darthblade]

During the talks with the owners I would expect that the board would have said any money you make from sales will go back into the squad - you manage the sales and the purchases as CW states that what he does. I hope so anyway but the Bournemouth interest goes back to 2017 and DB was probably always on his bike this summer. It could explain his below par performances towards the end of the season - why knacker yourself up to stop you being a millionaire PL footballer?

Even before this sale we've had a 'significant' increase to the budget and this additional amount can only help recruitment. After all, DB was in fact only a bit part player and did everyone have DB in their starting 11 for this season?

My main concern would be how we would replace Coutts, Jack O and Fleck if they were sold.

I still have a very positive feeling about this season.

UTMB

Being a cynical old bas**rd ……. I'm going to put my positive feelings and enthusiasm for the coming season on "pause" ……. just until we see;

a) If any other first team players are sold
b) If Tufty is given all the proceeds of the DB sale in addition to his existing budget.

UTB & FTP

 

[Razor1967]

In his first full season at this level which was somewhat hampered by glandular fever.

Jees, I think the 6 years in League One have affected some people's perspective.

We don't get better by selling our best players.

Sometimes we do....