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I haven't read every reply to this thread so forgive me if this has already been addressed, but..

Of all the possible permutations of the ownership developments, do we have knowledge of any potential outcomes which result in significant investment?

That is to say, is there anything on the horizon which could mean more munneh?
ie. maccabe stays in charge and finds new (chinese?) investors, or the Prince takes over and has funds lurking in the background somewhere
Or is it all just complete speculation with no real knowledge whatsoever?

thanks in advance
TtB
 



tomtheblade said:
I haven't read every reply to this thread so forgive me if this has already been addressed, but..

Of all the possible permutations of the ownership developments, do we have knowledge of any potential outcomes which result in significant investment?

That is to say, is there anything on the horizon which could mean more munneh?
ie. maccabe stays in charge and finds new (chinese?) investors, or the Prince takes over and has funds lurking in the background somewhere
Or is it all just complete speculation with no real knowledge whatsoever?

thanks in advance
TtB
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No we don’t.

But we’ve seen to what level both have funded the club up until now and it’s not enough to take the club forward.

The solution is for the lot to be sold off to a third party and I suspect that’s what this about.
 
tomtheblade said:
I haven't read every reply to this thread so forgive me if this has already been addressed, but..

Of all the possible permutations of the ownership developments, do we have knowledge of any potential outcomes which result in significant investment?

That is to say, is there anything on the horizon which could mean more munneh?
ie. maccabe stays in charge and finds new (chinese?) investors, or the Prince takes over and has funds lurking in the background somewhere
Or is it all just complete speculation with no real knowledge whatsoever?

thanks in advance
TtB
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From what I gathered during a chat with a friend of a friend last week, both KM and HRH (pbuh) have investors waiting in the wings (separate ones) and KM is willing to pay HRH (pbuh) off.

However, I doubt this.
 
Probably been said a million times, but I don't know what I'd rather happen, stay a mid table championship team with McCabe at the helm, little investment and the odd season where we get into the playoffs, or the odd season of a relegation scrap.... or go all guns with heavy investment from someone who doesn't give two hoots about the club, buy our way into the premiership and sit around mid-bottom half until the investors get bored and fuck off leaving us up shit creek, leaving us to plummet like Sunderland / Portsmouth / (to some extent) Wigan & Blackburn
 
Does the Prince get to got Meghan Merkels wedding on Saturday, because he's HRH?
 
niktheblade said:
Probably been said a million times, but I don't know what I'd rather happen, stay a mid table championship team with McCabe at the helm, little investment and the odd season where we get into the playoffs, or the odd season of a relegation scrap.... or go all guns with heavy investment from someone who doesn't give two hoots about the club, buy our way into the premiership and sit around mid-bottom half until the investors get bored and fuck off leaving us up shit creek, leaving us to plummet like Sunderland / Portsmouth / (to some extent) Wigan & Blackburn
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Really good point.

But ask wolves fans if they are happy at the moment.

Short term pleasure triumphs in football as in life.
 
niktheblade said:
Probably been said a million times, but I don't know what I'd rather happen, stay a mid table championship team with McCabe at the helm, little investment and the odd season where we get into the playoffs, or the odd season of a relegation scrap.... or go all guns with heavy investment from someone who doesn't give two hoots about the club, buy our way into the premiership and sit around mid-bottom half until the investors get bored and fuck off leaving us up shit creek, leaving us to plummet like Sunderland / Portsmouth / (to some extent) Wigan & Blackburn
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Can I choose to keep McCabe and have Chinese investment, get us to the prem and be abit like Bournemouth floating about 3 or 4 places above the drop one year, then mid table, then lower etc etc??
 
Patrick Suffaux said:
I accept all of that but I’m not missing the point. I know why he’s saying it but he’s going about it completely the wrong way in my opinion and public statements of discontent will do nothing to help the situation. If he thinks that implying his potential resignation will suddenly spring the owners into action then he’s extremely naive in my opinion. They will do what they want and in their own time. It’s their club.

The whole “he’s a fan” thing doesn’t romance me as much as it does other supporters. We’re all fans and as a fan I would like some harmony maintained on the field and in the changing room whether we have that in the boardroom or not. Especially if not!
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I'm not taken in by the "romance" of it all because I'm aware that one day Tufty will go ( for whatever reason ) and we will have another manager.

I am however, delighted that we have a "heart on his sleeve" Blades fan as a manager for the first time in many years, who actually does give a shit about the Club and hurts as much as we do when we lose a game of football. He has made mistakes and he will make more as this is the highest level that Tufty has managed at, but I'm more comfortable with him at the helm than any manager since Mr Harris. ( yes I'm an old bas**rd )

We have spent so many decades with players, managers and Board members who couldn't give a flying f**k about the Club, that its nice to see somebody who wants to drive the Club forwards rather than using us as a stepping stone on their own agenda.

The owners may not "spring into action" at his call to arms, but I'm pretty sure that they will both be very aware that Tufty is very popular with the fans and are unlikely to risk the fans unrest that would likely happen if Tufty walks. Especially if the cites his reason for going as the lack of ambition of the owner(s).

Running a football Club is not a profitable pastime (for 99%) of football Clubs, so I think that many fans would see it as a pre-requisite that football Club owners are prepared to put large sums of their own money into the Club with no prospect of getting a return.

IMHO ...... :rolleyes:;)

UTB & FTP
 
Darthblade said:
I think that many fans would see it as a pre-requisite that football Club owners are prepared to put large sums of their own money into the Club with no prospect of getting a return.
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That's very good of you to spend these people's money for them.

McCabe took over in 2000 when we were losing around £1m a year. Despite a doubling of attendances and massive increase in commercial income, costs (i.e. player wages) have increased by significantly more. Our recent losses have been in the £5-8m per year range.

Whatever KM thought was the level of financial support required back then, has now masively increased. This is why he has to bring someone else in to share the burden (which has now gone tits up as we know).

To glibly declare that 'fans see it as a pre-requisite' doesn't really help matters for someone like KM who stepped forward when the club was in crisis and has maintained support for many years. I know he owns all the assets and I know he charges interest on his loans, but the bloke didn't have to put anything in. The fact he is now 'not rich enough' is a convenient stick with which to beat him and I see precious little thanks for what he's done in just keeping SUFC alive and kicking for nearly 20 years.

The classic "it's his job" springs to mind......
 
I should coco said:
That's very good of you to spend these people's money for them.

McCabe took over in 2000 when we were losing around £1m a year. Despite a doubling of attendances and massive increase in commercial income, costs (i.e. player wages) have increased by significantly more. Our recent losses have been in the £5-8m per year range.

Whatever KM thought was the level of financial support required back then, has now masively increased. This is why he has to bring someone else in to share the burden (which has now gone tits up as we know).

To glibly declare that 'fans see it as a pre-requisite' doesn't really help matters for someone like KM who stepped forward when the club was in crisis and has maintained support for many years. I know he owns all the assets and I know he charges interest on his loans, but the bloke didn't have to put anything in. The fact he is now 'not rich enough' is a convenient stick with which to beat him and I see precious little thanks for what he's done in just keeping SUFC alive and kicking for nearly 20 years.

The classic "it's his job" springs to mind......
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With all that in mind though Kevin does have to realize where to draw the line in terms of what he wants back from the club should he sell everything he owns. I still think what he wants in terms of value has put investors or buyers off taking the whole club on.
 



Maidenhead said:
He knew what the budget was when he came and I don't think the amount of money is his greatest concern.

He just needs to know what he has to work with so that he can he plan accordingly.

Never ceases to amaze me how many people are happy to sing "we aint got a barrel of money" and then demand further "investment" from the owners.

Presumably they don't understand the implications of not having a "barrel of money" or they don't actually believe it as they sing it.
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I get your point, Maiders, but do We really all believe the lyrics to "Shoreham Boys?"
 
Patrick Suffaux said:
I accept all of that but I’m not missing the point. I know why he’s saying it but he’s going about it completely the wrong way in my opinion and public statements of discontent will do nothing to help the situation. If he thinks that implying his potential resignation will suddenly spring the owners into action then he’s extremely naive in my opinion. They will do what they want and in their own time. It’s their club.

The whole “he’s a fan” thing doesn’t romance me as much as it does other supporters. We’re all fans and as a fan I would like some harmony maintained on the field and in the changing room whether we have that in the boardroom or not. Especially if not!
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Don't view it that way.
If Wilder kept schtum then there would be a pile of derision coming his way that nothing was happening to plan for the new season as we wouldn't be signing anyone and everyone knows that Tufty likes to get his business done early. Saying something about boardroom unrest, retrospectively, could be seen as sour grapes and he'd be accused of "Well, if thst was the case, why didn't you say summat earlier?"

He's done the right thing, in my mind, because he cares.
 
I should coco said:
That's very good of you to spend these people's money for them.

McCabe took over in 2000 when we were losing around £1m a year. Despite a doubling of attendances and massive increase in commercial income, costs (i.e. player wages) have increased by significantly more. Our recent losses have been in the £5-8m per year range.

Whatever KM thought was the level of financial support required back then, has now masively increased. This is why he has to bring someone else in to share the burden (which has now gone tits up as we know).

To glibly declare that 'fans see it as a pre-requisite' doesn't really help matters for someone like KM who stepped forward when the club was in crisis and has maintained support for many years. I know he owns all the assets and I know he charges interest on his loans, but the bloke didn't have to put anything in. The fact he is now 'not rich enough' is a convenient stick with which to beat him and I see precious little thanks for what he's done in just keeping SUFC alive and kicking for nearly 20 years.

The classic "it's his job" springs to mind......
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Totally 100% agree
 
Kenilworth said:
Don't view it that way.
If Wilder kept schtum then there would be a pile of derision coming his way that nothing was happening to plan for the new season as we wouldn't be signing anyone and everyone knows that Tufty likes to get his business done early. Saying something about boardroom unrest, retrospectively, could be seen as sour grapes and he'd be accused of "Well, if thst was the case, why didn't you say summat earlier?"

He's done the right thing, in my mind, because he cares.
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Or to deflect attention away from a distinctly average second half of the season in which two of his January signings played no more than bit parts?
 
Scooter_mcgavin said:
The whiff of the Premiership will only be faint whilst they refrain from investing in better players. And that faint whiff is only here because of Wilder.
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Well said, mate. We are successful despite their investment, not because of it.
 
I should coco said:
That's very good of you to spend these people's money for them.

McCabe took over in 2000 when we were losing around £1m a year. Despite a doubling of attendances and massive increase in commercial income, costs (i.e. player wages) have increased by significantly more. Our recent losses have been in the £5-8m per year range.

Whatever KM thought was the level of financial support required back then, has now masively increased. This is why he has to bring someone else in to share the burden (which has now gone tits up as we know).

To glibly declare that 'fans see it as a pre-requisite' doesn't really help matters for someone like KM who stepped forward when the club was in crisis and has maintained support for many years. I know he owns all the assets and I know he charges interest on his loans, but the bloke didn't have to put anything in. The fact he is now 'not rich enough' is a convenient stick with which to beat him and I see precious little thanks for what he's done in just keeping SUFC alive and kicking for nearly 20 years.

The classic "it's his job" springs to mind......
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If he isn’t the man to stick his hand in his pocket wouldn’t it be best for all concerned for him to let someone else have a go then? After all, many would view his time as a game of two halves. The first half he saved us and managed to snare a manager who eventually got us up, then the second half he thrashed about wildly making awful appointments and only by sheer luck we ended up with Wilder.

He lost his bottle when Blackwell had us in a great position for promotion, sold us down the river and put his hands in his pockets until things perked up. Now he should be lauded as the great man because of what exactly? I wouldn’t be unhappy to see someone else have a go at running the club if McCabe won’t stump up any longer. Sorry but it is a pre requisite of 90 percent of football clubs that the owner funds the losses. If he doesn’t like it why fight to stay when there is a viable option? Unless he actually quite likes this running a football club malarkey?
 
Darthblade said:
I'm not taken in by the "romance" of it all because I'm aware that one day Tufty will go ( for whatever reason ) and we will have another manager.

I am however, delighted that we have a "heart on his sleeve" Blades fan as a manager for the first time in many years, who actually does give a shit about the Club and hurts as much as we do when we lose a game of football. He has made mistakes and he will make more as this is the highest level that Tufty has managed at, but I'm more comfortable with him at the helm than any manager since Mr Harris. ( yes I'm an old bas**rd )

We have spent so many decades with players, managers and Board members who couldn't give a flying f**k about the Club, that its nice to see somebody who wants to drive the Club forwards rather than using us as a stepping stone on their own agenda.

The owners may not "spring into action" at his call to arms, but I'm pretty sure that they will both be very aware that Tufty is very popular with the fans and are unlikely to risk the fans unrest that would likely happen if Tufty walks. Especially if the cites his reason for going as the lack of ambition of the owner(s).

Running a football Club is not a profitable pastime (for 99%) of football Clubs, so I think that many fans would see it as a pre-requisite that football Club owners are prepared to put large sums of their own money into the Club with no prospect of getting a return.

IMHO ...... :rolleyes:;)

UTB & FTP
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I think he does care about the club but I think many of you over estimate just how much. People look after no.1 first and I doubt he's any different. If you want my honest opinion.....I believe he's saying these things because he sees a season of struggle ahead next term and that will cause his own stock (currently still high) to plummet. He's watched our form take a dramatic dip over the last half of the season and sees that the momentum has gone. The inertia of promotion has worn off and we are starting to slide backwards.

By implying that he would be prepared to walk basically says to me that his primary concern is his own career and so it should be, I don't blame him.
 
Patrick Suffaux said:
I think he does care about the club but I think many of you over estimate just how much. People look after no.1 first and I doubt he's any different. If you want my honest opinion.....I believe he's saying these things because he sees a season of struggle ahead next term and that will cause his own stock (currently still high) to plummet. He's watched our form take a dramatic dip over the last half of the season and sees that the momentum has gone. The inertia of promotion has worn off and we are starting to slide backwards.

By implying that he would be prepared to walk basically says to me that his primary concern is his own career and so it should be, I don't blame him.
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Your a bundle of joy arnt you ! We had a chequered 2nd half to the season but where you get the struggle from I don't know.
It's obvious we need to strengthen and Wilder has said as much stand still and you go backwards.His plea to the owners was as much from a fan not just an employee.
His job ( building the club ) has only just begun and without the right backing of the owners he knows we would go backwards
the last thing he wants for his club and his career.
 



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