Why did we sign Holmes?

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Danny04 said:
Nobody has mentioned ‘contract cost’ but you. United paid around £350k to Fulham for Stearman’s services. As they paid 750k for Evans, 800k for Lundstram, 50k for Clayton.
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Not doubting you but how do you know this? Have you been told it by someone at United?
 



PeterNdlovu081 said:
Doubt what?

£961,000 Stearman
£750,000 L. Evans
£700,000 Leonard
£650,000 Baldock
£500,000 C. Evans
£476,000 Lundstram
£290,000 Thomas

Did you think we'd acquired all these players for free or something?
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I assume these come from paper speculation (the Ched one does) that Wilder and others have said more than once are wildly inaccurate, but let's take them at face value for sake of argument. By my reckoning we've spent a little over two thirds of the cost of Gary fucking Madine.

Our team is miraculous.
 
sitwell said:
Because all the idiots who said they would be happy with mid table consolidation are now topping themselves because we have mid table consolidation.
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Dropping out of the playoff places and ending in our lowest position of the season is not consolidation. It's a decline.

For the first time in a long time I was certain we'd lose yesterday even though we were playing a poor team. That was a spineless display. I expect better from these players.
 
Danny04 said:
Yep. Also been widely reported in the press. No idea where £1m has come from
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So given the transfer fees - i thought Baldock was closer to 350k - how much do we see this as being offset by Kyle and Big H?

If Kyle went for 50m (before winning the league - we should get another 150k) and we sold him for 10% then that should have been 4.7m. If we sold Harry for 3m and he went for 12.5m rising to 16.5m, then that would have been 950k.

If so, in total HRH and KM gave nothing for transfers and there should still in fact some left contributing to the running costs too.

It makes January all the more disappointing that Chris couldn’t bring in a better striker than a crock. Imagine if we’d have got someone like Mitrovic in!
 
Agreasychipbutty said:
Just because hes hasn't turned into our best player in half a season doesn't mean he should be written off, hes been injured for half of it and we haven't seen him play enough to judge how good he is. Still a bit disappointing tho...
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many on here said coutts would never be any good.. remember that??
 
FriethBlade said:
No course not you're absolutely correct we have a massive budget befitting of a team that averages 27k a match. I've absolutely no idea why anyone is.moanimg.
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27k a match probably doesn’t even cover the squads wages mate
 
super_pig said:
27k a match probably doesn’t even cover the squads wages mate
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My recollection of the accounts is wages are about the same as turnstile revenue which is why having a big squad who mostly never play really hurts and negates the benefit of having a big crowd. Hence why historically the owners have to chip in with a few million each year for transfers and other stuff.

Once again we have the board split of those who think what we did early season and the one before and is an indicator for the future and those who live for the present and are alarmed at the prolonged decline and the risks of complacency.

The most concerning bit for me is this decline has been going on for 6 months now and we still keep doing the same things that don't work without evidence of change.
 
Danny04 said:
I have on this thread. Stears 350k, Lunny closer to 800k. Not sure about those quoted for Baldock or Evans but not 100%. Evans and Leonard about right.

Yes?
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I've googled it, and that's the most detailed report I can find on the transfer. It says that we paid a 'substantial fee' for him and a fee that shows we are serious about competing at this level. It doesn't mention us buying out his contract nor a fee of £350k. Did you do another article?
 
Nicolaus_Copernicus said:
I've googled it, and that's the most detailed report I can find on the transfer. It says that we paid a 'substantial fee' for him and a fee that shows we are serious about competing at this level. It doesn't mention us buying out his contract nor a fee of £350k. Did you do another article?
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Buying out his contract here: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...g-signing-ahead-of-return-to-wolves-1-8998271
There was another on the £350k but didn’t go online, just in the paper.
Is anything other than Wiki saying £961k?
 
Danny04 said:
Buying out his contract here: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...g-signing-ahead-of-return-to-wolves-1-8998271
There was another on the £350k but didn’t go online, just in the paper.
Is anything other than Wiki saying £961k?
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Thank you, my man, ;)

I usually refer to https://www.transfermarkt.com/sheffield-united/transfers/verein/350/saison_id/2017 I appreciate it's never going to be 100% on 'undisclosed fees', but it's usually there or there abouts and it's in euros.
 



Champagneblade said:
So given the transfer fees - i thought Baldock was closer to 350k - how much do we see this as being offset by Kyle and Big H?

If Kyle went for 50m (before winning the league - we should get another 150k) and we sold him for 10% then that should have been 4.7m. If we sold Harry for 3m and he went for 12.5m rising to 16.5m, then that would have been 950k.

If so, in total HRH and KM gave nothing for transfers and there should still in fact some left contributing to the running costs too.

It makes January all the more disappointing that Chris couldn’t bring in a better striker than a crock. Imagine if we’d have got someone like Mitrovic in!
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HRH and KM did release some funds in the JTW, albeit limited, and CW pissed it against the wall. The Holmes/Leonard fees plus the Wilson loan costs would have covered the cost of Mitrovic with a bit to spare for the rest of the season. When will United ever learn that taking the cheap option will cost them more in the long run.
 
snootyfenooty said:
That's an article about Bristol City not being able to afford Mitrovic. I think you've attached the wrong article.
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“People can speculate but the wages that it took to get Mitrovic in for example was right up there with a top Premier League player, if you include the loan fee and the wages.”
 
Good job we didn’t judge Coutts on his first 6 months, oh wait a minute ...................
 
Edinblade said:
Good job we didn’t judge Coutts on his first 6 months, oh wait a minute ...................
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First 18 months.

He's been here 3 years 3 months and we've had 12 good months out of him.
 
Danny04 said:
“People can speculate but the wages that it took to get Mitrovic in for example was right up there with a top Premier League player, if you include the loan fee and the wages.”
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Yes. I'm still not with you. The post of mine to which you replied stated that the money we wasted on Holmes. Leonard and Wilson would have paid for Mitrovic on loan with a bit to spare. There's nothing in the irrelevant guff you attached about Bristol City which contradicts this.
 
snootyfenooty said:
Yes. I'm still not with you. The post of mine to which you replied stated that the money we wasted on Holmes. Leonard and Wilson would have paid for Mitrovic on loan with a bit to spare. There's nothing in the irrelevant guff you attached about Bristol City which contradicts this.
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Mitrovic cost almost Leonard’s fee for a loan fee alone and is on £60k a week at Newcastle.
I’d speculate Bristol City’s budget isn’t far off Sheffield United’s. Explaining why Lee Johnson couldn’t afford him can help explain why Chris Wilder perhaps couldn’t.
Fulham, meanwhile, are in a different financial league to both teams. Mitrovic a complete non-starter. Irrelevant guff, you might say :)
 
Danny04 said:
Mitrovic cost almost Leonard’s fee for a loan fee alone and is on £60k a week at Newcastle.
I’d speculate Bristol City’s budget isn’t far off Sheffield United’s. Explaining why Lee Johnson couldn’t afford him can help explain why Chris Wilder perhaps couldn’t.
Fulham, meanwhile, are in a different financial league to both teams. Mitrovic a complete non-starter. Irrelevant guff, you might say :)
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Holmes and Leonard about £1.1m. Wages since we signed them @ a nominal £5k per week adds to about £150k. Wilson who knows but I'd speculate about £10k pw towards his wages plus about the same in loan/agents fees so add about another £300k to the total. This gives us a grand sum of about £1.5m. Mitrovic @ £60k per week adds up to about £0.9m.

I really shouldn't have to break this down in such simple terms this way but it does appear that although you was taught to read and write very well at school, they didn't teach you any arithmetic.
 
Danny04 said:
Mitrovic cost almost Leonard’s fee for a loan fee alone and is on £60k a week at Newcastle.
I’d speculate Bristol City’s budget isn’t far off Sheffield United’s. Explaining why Lee Johnson couldn’t afford him can help explain why Chris Wilder perhaps couldn’t.
Fulham, meanwhile, are in a different financial league to both teams. Mitrovic a complete non-starter. Irrelevant guff, you might say :)
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£600k loan fee for Mitrovic. As a matter of interest Danny04 is that more or less than the loan fee that we paid Man Utd for Wilson?

I don't know if his wage has been increased significantly in the intervening two seasons, but when he sign for Newcastle he was on £33,000 a week, with an additional win bonus of £16,000 and £8,000 per draw. On deadline day, before he moved to Fulham, Newcastle were in negotiation with Anderlecht about taking him on loan. They were arguing over who paid his wages for the remainder of the season, which amounted to 1 million euros, about £880,000. Newcastle wanted him away from the club, Anderlecht knew this and were refusing to pay a single penny of the wages other than the loan fee. Fulham offered an improvement on this and got the player. I doubt that they are paying anymore than 30% of his wages.

For arguments sake & using back of a fag packet maths; if we are paying Wilson £10k a week until the end of May, and we're paying Holmes £5k a week. That's roughly £330,000 in wages over the same period. Stick on £350k transfer fee for Holmes & whatever Wilson's loan fee is, say £500k (although some on here have said higher). Fulham are in for £1.48m on Mitrovic (assuming Fulham are paying the full £880,00) and we are in for £1.18m with the Chuckle Brothers. £300k difference? I suppose yer pays yer money and makes yer choice.

*Edit: Apologies SF, i've basically replicated your post. :)
 
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Nicolaus_Copernicus said:
£600k loan fee for Mitrovic. As a matter of interest Danny04 is that more or less than the loan fee that we paid Man Utd for Wilson?

I don't know if his wage has been increased significantly in the intervening two seasons, but when he sign for Newcastle he was on £33,000 a week, with an additional win bonus of £16,000 and £8,000 per draw. On deadline day, before he moved to Fulham, Newcastle were in negotiation with Anderlecht about taking him on loan. They were arguing over who paid his wages for the remainder of the season, which amounted to 1 million euros, about £880,000. Newcastle wanted him away from the club, Anderlecht knew this and were refusing to pay a single penny of the wages other than the loan fee. Fulham offered an improvement on this and got the player. I doubt that they are paying anymore than 30% of his wages.

For arguments sake & using back of a fag packet maths; if we are paying Wilson £10k a week until the end of May, and we're paying Holmes £5k a week. That's roughly £330,000 in wages over the same period. Stick on £350k transfer fee for Holmes & whatever Wilson's loan fee is, say £500k (although some on here have said higher). Fulham are in for £1.48m on Mitrovic (assuming Fulham are paying the full £880,00) and we are in for £1.18m for the Chuckle Brothers. £300k difference? I suppose yer pays yer money and makes yer choice.

*Edit: Apologies SF, i've basically replicated your post. :)
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Nice one. This was posted simultaneously to mine and between us we have demonstrated that Mitrovic would have cost no more than the trio of Wilson, Holmes and Leonard. Yep, looks like we chose the false economy option as usual.
 
Danny04 said:
Lot of speculation there - and lo and behold, the figures suit your agenda. Who'd have thought it?!
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Go on then genius, stick your figures at the side and see what you come up with. See also Nicolaus_Copernicus 's post too. You're wrong on this one lad, the bottom line is Mitrovic wouldn't have cost us any more than the route we went down.
 



FriethBlade said:
What do you think average attendances have to do with budget or do you really need me to spell it out ?
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I'm assuming youre going to say something like more fans = more money (Despite not factoring ticket prices or corporate hospitality)

Regardless though, attendance revenue is insignificant compared to owner investment.
 
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