Why did we sign Holmes?

[stringer]

Go on then genius, stick your figures at the side and see what you come up with. See also Nicolaus_Copernicus 's post too. You're wrong on this one lad, the bottom line is Mitrovic wouldn't have cost us any more than the route we went down.

Would you not have signed Evans either then? Wasn't the cash for him and Mitrovic. When you have a striker upfront on 16 goals or whatever he had, but a gaping hole in midfield left by Coutts, it's not a huge leap for the manager to buy midfielders.
Didn't he join Fulham very late in the window, too (by which point the cash had been spent about a fortnight earlier)?

 

[snootyfenooty]

Would you not have signed Evans either then? Wasn't the cash for him and Mitrovic. When you have a striker upfront on 16 goals or whatever he had, but a gaping hole in midfield left by Coutts, it's not a huge leap for the manager to buy midfielders.
Didn't he join Fulham very late in the window, too (by which point the cash had been spent about a fortnight earlier)?

Quality vs quantity? Nice dodge on the issue we were arguing about anyway.

1/10, can do better.

 

[stringer]

Quality vs quantity? Nice dodge on the issue we were arguing about anyway.

1/10, can do better.

What dodge?
Would you have not signed Evans (I notice he's left off your combined Leonard, Holmes and Wilson maths)?
Did United need a midfielder(s) in January?
And did Mitrovic not sign for Fulham late in the window?

 

[snootyfenooty]

What dodge?
Would you have not signed Evans (I notice he's left off your combined Leonard, Holmes and Wilson maths)?
Did United need a midfielder(s) in January?
And did Mitrovic not sign for Fulham late in the window?

Include Evans' cost and it makes your side of the argument look even sillier. Stack your figures up and get the original debate out the way first before we move on to this one. I'll willingly counter it once you've done this.

 

[stringer]

Include Evans' cost and it makes your side of the argument look even sillier. Stack your figures up and get the original debate out the way first before we move on to this one. I'll willingly counter it once you've done this.

Rudimentary maths.
January budget, based on signings made, circa £2m.
Mitrovic (according to your estimations) £1.5m
Lee Evans £750,000
£1.5m + £750,000 = £2.25m
£2.25m > £2m.

 

[Grappler]

Wilson has been a let down, and (without knowing the money involved) a waste of cash. I genuinely would have kept hold of Nathan Thomas and put him on as a sub, when we needed pace up front. None of us know the Wilson deal, nor what promises were made for any other Man United players (i.e. if we do a good job with Wilson, Man Utd will look to us when wanting to get young players some first team football).

Holmes is a mystery signing, maybe CW just wanted to ensure some cover for certain positions, Ryan Leonard is the same.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Rudimentary maths.
January budget, based on signings made, circa £2m.
Mitrovic (according to your estimations) £1.5m
Lee Evans £750,000
£1.5m + £750,000 = £2.25m
£2.25m > £2m.

Leave Evans out of the equation for now, stick to the original debate. My estimation for Mitrovic was £900k. My understanding was that his cost was all of his wages or half his wages plus the signing on fee. So you're accepting that Mitrovic would have cost us less than the money we blew in January on Wilson, Holmes & Leonard?

 

[stringer]

Leave Evans out of the equation for now, stick to the original debate. My estimation for Mitrovic was £900k. My understanding was that his cost was all of his wages or half his wages plus the signing on fee. So you're accepting that Mitrovic would have cost us less than the money we blew in January on Wilson, Holmes & Leonard?

His loan fee was £600,000 alone.

 

[snootyfenooty]

His loan fee was £600,000 alone.

And a reduced wage in lieu of the loan fee. The figure that's been bandied about is 1m euros, or £900k as the cost to Fulham for the rest of the season. Sorry, I've better things to do than go round in circles with you all afternoon.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

United fans’ ridiculous sense of entitlement and new-found financial expertise brings to mind any one of 30-some school reports that I carried home at the end of each term, viz:

georgebernardshaw has singularly failed to understand any part of the mathematics curriculum, in one examination drawing an unlabelled triangle and then leaving the building. His ability on the school sports field leads one to believe that if he followed a sports career, he and his dependents would starve. Thus we can conclude that his choice of supporting Sheffield United may well turn out to be for the best.

Edit: That would have been one of the early, more promising versions.....

 

[Revolution]

United fans’ ridiculous sense of entitlement and new-found financial expertise brings to mind any one of 30 school reports that I carried home at the end of each term, viz:

georgebernardshaw has singularly failed to understand any part of the mathematics curriculum, in one examination drawing an unlabelled triangle and then leaving the building. His ability on the school sports field leads one to believe that if he followed a sports career, he and his dependents would starve. Thus we can conclude that his choice of supporting Sheffield United may well turn out to be for the best

We haven't won a trophy in 93 years and our recent history is littered with failures in big games and late season fades. All of us are used to this. The idea anyone has a ridiculous sense of entitlement is, not to put too fine a point on it, utter bollocks.

 

[Iceybabey]

We haven't won a trophy in 93 years and our recent history is littered with failures in big games and late season fades. All of us are used to this. The idea anyone has a ridiculous sense of entitlement is, not to put too fine a point on it, utter bollocks.

What was that the players lifted at the end of last season? A blue Peter badge?

 

[georgebernardshaw]

We haven't won a trophy in 93 years and our recent history is littered with failures in big games and late season fades. All of us are used to this. The idea anyone has a ridiculous sense of entitlement is, not to put too fine a point on it, utter bollocks.

It’s not a load of bollocks, it’s a joke, I’ve been following United for 60 of those years, so please get a fucking life.

 

[Revolution]

What was that the players lifted at the end of last season? A blue Peter badge?

Nope, but it wasn't a major trophy either was it.

 

[Revolution]

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It’s not a load of bollocks, it’s a joke, I’ve been following United for 60 of those years, so please get a fucking life.

Was it? Didn't look like one

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Was it? Didn't look like one

Specsavers

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

United fans’ ridiculous sense of entitlement and new-found financial expertise brings to mind any one of 30 school reports that I carried home at the end of each term, viz:

georgebernardshaw has singularly failed to understand any part of the mathematics curriculum, in one examination drawing an unlabelled triangle and then leaving the building. His ability on the school sports field leads one to believe that if he followed a sports career, he and his dependents would starve. Thus we can conclude that his choice of supporting Sheffield United may well turn out to be for the best

For the record I do not think that we were either interested in nor stood a chance of signing Mitrovic. However, I was querying the idea that Fulham have spent some mind boggling amount of money to secure his services, a figure so huge it was beyond United's means and out of the grasp of most of the championship sides. What Wolves have spent this season? Yes. Fulham getting Mitrovic on loan for 5 months? No.

Danny04 was kind enough to add some flesh to the bones of my knowledge regarding our expenditure and I did a quick fag packet calculation. That calculation showed we'd spent a fair bit. It's also been claimed on here that we paid Man Utd £1m loan fee for the services of Wilson. Obviously hindsight is a wonderful thing, but purely referencing the period of 9th January 2018 to 31st May 2018, the club have absolutely wanked away every £ spent on both Holmes & Wilson. Wilson is obviously returning to Man Utd at the end of May and judging by the shit soup he's served up for us since he came to BDTBL, quite probably a contract termination and a career in L1. Holmes on the other hand is our player and under contract with us until 2020. Unless he performs a resurrection comparable to Jesus Christ in the upcoming months, he is £500k of wasted money increasing at approximately £5k per week, just as Samir Carruthers is. If those two fruity fuckers are deemed to be above Nathan Thomas in the pecking order, I shudder to think how bad he is.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

For the record I do not think that we were either interested in nor stood a chance of signing Mitrovic. However, I was querying the idea that Fulham have spent some mind boggling amount of money to secure his services, a figure so huge it was beyond United's means and out of the grasp of most of the championship sides. What Wolves have spent this season? Yes. Fulham getting Mitrovic on loan for 5 months? No.

Danny04 was kind enough to add some flesh to the bones of my knowledge regarding our expenditure and I did a quick fag packet calculation. That calculation showed we'd spent a fair bit. It's also been claimed on here that we paid Man Utd £1m loan fee for the services of Wilson. Obviously hindsight is a wonderful thing, but purely referencing the period of 9th January 2018 to 31st May 2018, the club have absolutely wanked away every £ spent on both Holmes & Wilson. Wilson is obviously returning to Man Utd at the end of May and judging by the shit soup he's served up for us since he came to BDTBL, quite probably a contract termination and a career in L1. Holmes on the other hand is our player and under contract with us until 2020. Unless he performs a resurrection comparable to Jesus Christ in the upcoming months, he is £500k of wasted money increasing at approximately £5k per week, just as Samir Carruthers is. If those two fruity fuckers are deemed to be above Nathan Thomas in the pecking order, I shudder to think how bad he is.

I can honestly say that for the last sixty years, I have waited for this year to be our year - we’ve come close once or twice, but never nailed it. Life as a Blade is a bitch in that respect, but not for the living in hope!

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

I still have high hopes for this guy, but why we are not utilising him I don't know.

 

[jt64]

The only time we actually started him he was the best player on the park for us. Granted, that was away at Wolves and hence not a particularly difficult thing to do, but I'd have thought he'd have featured more.

I guess the whole combination of bringing in Evans, Holmes and Leonard was to try to find some combination that, along with the existing Fleck/Duffy/Lundstram can try to plug the gap left by the Coutts injury as best as we could, we needed to do something and I'm more than fine with taking the punt to do so. We weren't anywhere near out of the playoff picture in the JTW, spending a couple of million on those three when there's nine figures waiting if we did hold the playoff places and somehow win them doesn't need to be right too often for it to be profitable, especially considering Evans/Leonard are still fairly young and aren't exactly going to depreciate

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Is Ricky Holmes good enough to get SUFC into the top 6 of this division.

If the answer is yes then that's the reason to sign him.

If no, then it was the wrong decision to sign him.

My opinion was both he and Leonard were wanted pre-season to add to a decent squad. In the JTW I don't think either of them were needed, but can understand why CW still wanted them. We needed bodies to compliment the squad as we have looked tired in a few games, but the pair of them just have appeared to be off the pace of what the Championship is. Both Leonard and Holmes are going to have to smarten up if they are to compete to play 40 games a season at Championship level. For me, Lenny might, just can't see Holmes adapting from evidence up to now - he is too old to learn new tricks.

UTB

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Just because hes hasn't turned into our best player in half a season doesn't mean he should be written off, hes been injured for half of it and we haven't seen him play enough to judge how good he is. Still a bit disappointing tho...

That' how Coutts started

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

£600k loan fee for Mitrovic. As a matter of interest Danny04 is that more or less than the loan fee that we paid Man Utd for Wilson?

I don't know if his wage has been increased significantly in the intervening two seasons, but when he sign for Newcastle he was on £33,000 a week, with an additional win bonus of £16,000 and £8,000 per draw. On deadline day, before he moved to Fulham, Newcastle were in negotiation with Anderlecht about taking him on loan. They were arguing over who paid his wages for the remainder of the season, which amounted to 1 million euros, about £880,000. Newcastle wanted him away from the club, Anderlecht knew this and were refusing to pay a single penny of the wages other than the loan fee. Fulham offered an improvement on this and got the player. I doubt that they are paying anymore than 30% of his wages.

For arguments sake & using back of a fag packet maths; if we are paying Wilson £10k a week until the end of May, and we're paying Holmes £5k a week. That's roughly £330,000 in wages over the same period. Stick on £350k transfer fee for Holmes & whatever Wilson's loan fee is, say £500k (although some on here have said higher). Fulham are in for £1.48m on Mitrovic (assuming Fulham are paying the full £880,00) and we are in for £1.18m with the Chuckle Brothers. £300k difference? I suppose yer pays yer money and makes yer choice.

*Edit: Apologies SF, i've basically replicated your post.

However the sweet is wrapped some on here can't understand why it tastes bitter.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

We haven't won a trophy in 93 years and our recent history is littered with failures in big games and late season fades. All of us are used to this. The idea anyone has a ridiculous sense of entitlement is, not to put too fine a point on it, utter bollocks.

Been o'reight this season

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

What was that the players lifted at the end of last season? A blue Peter badge?

We all know what he means, stop getting a stiffy over the third division.

 

[Iceybabey]

We all know what he means, stop getting a stiffy over the third division.

At least I can still get a stiffy

 

[Chali 2na]

At least I can still get a stiffy

 

[HolmesfieldBlade]

Pathetic budget I know, but all of Wilder’s JTW signings were poor.

Lee Evans is outstanding.

Holmes, Wilson, Leonard haven’t had much chance

 

[Sirius]

No course not you're absolutely correct we have a massive budget befitting of a team that averages 27k a match. I've absolutely no idea why anyone is.moanimg.

If only clubs were allowed to spend only the amounts generated from attendances pies, raffles etc We would be up there with the big spenders Unfortunately gate receipts sometimes do not reflect the spending power of an outfit controlled by off shore investors and smart arses who know their way round every shonky but legal way to cough cough move money onto the merry go round
I have oft wondered why , for example example only Far Eastern consortiUms should take such an interest in the fine upstanding machinations of a poor English Club. Surely they cannot have seen the light and become a Jack Walker or a Kevin McCabe over night So come on I dare any one to tell us why these JOHNY COME LATELEYS are stealing our game

 

[Houston_Blade]

Back to Mitrovic, he's a young lad with a bit of cash in his pocket. If he had offers from Fulham or the Blades so a move to either London or Sheffield where would he go? I assume value for money, easy access to the peak district and down to earth people aren't high up on his list of priorities.