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if we miss out on 6th place to MIddlesbrough in part because of our disallowed goal against them earlier on in the season?

That said IMHO we've relatively not really had many refereeing shockers/mistakes which has directly cost us many points this season aside from that (correct me if I'm wrong)

Here's hoping that we make it up there anyway, UTB
 



It will be very annoying but don't forget that the free kick from which we 'scored' was fairly cheap in the first place.
 
FMBlade1 said:
if we miss out on 6th place to MIddlesbrough in part because of our disallowed goal against them earlier on in the season?

That said IMHO we've relatively not really had many refereeing shockers/mistakes which has directly cost us many points this season aside from that (correct me if I'm wrong)

Here's hoping that we make it up there anyway, UTB
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I give you Gerrard's dive and the 'offside' at Upton Park in the same season.

Four points and two goals difference.

Rob Styles and Mike Riley. I hope their fucking next shit is a hedgehog.

pommpey
 
You'd have to talk to all the clubs who finish above us and see how many times they felt unjustly treated.

I consider refereeing decisions a hazard of the game like any other and ultimately you have to be good enough to succeed in spite of what's in your path. We got robbed of plenty decisions last season but it didn't matter because we were capable of going on regardless. The referee is the same for both sides. Every team enjoys their share of home team bias. Every team gets their share of bad calls.

The exception I make is Wham style sagas, or Leicester going into admin while being able to mount a promotion push. The only way to inflict real punishment on teams in the modern era for cheating the system is a points deduction. Cheating off the pitch can only be punished properly by having a real impact on the table.
 
It was early days, we've known what we've needed to do since then and dropped points by poor play it's up to the players.
 
If we do miss out it will not be because of that or any other single thing that happened in one game, you can't take individual moments in isolation, you have to take the season as a whole, as that is what decides where we will end up.
 
Woodwardfan said:
I think we're chasing Derby.

They were lucky to get a point against us at their place.
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Agreed, their run in is a nightmare as well. Wolves, Burton [who might be in the last chance saloon by then], Boro and Villa for their last 4 games. If they don't get out of this current slump they could drop like a stone just like in previous seasons.
 
Speedracer said:
If we do miss out it will not be because of that or any other single thing that happened in one game, you can't take individual moments in isolation, you have to take the season as a whole, as that is what decides where we will end up.
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Not Jagielka's handball or Webber's miss then, neither of them? Givens' penalty? Dean not giving Walker a penalty? Doc Pace's supposed handball at Elland Road? Hopkins fluky 25 yarder? Tevez's disgusting goal at Burnley? Simonson's penalty? Gerrard's 3 penalties ( 1 just about valid, just!)?

Fleeting moments that might not have happened and history could have been oh so different.

I would have loved to have taken all those 'seasons each as a whole' but with those moments being oh so different.:mad:
 
Well I was there & saw the Givens penalty miss, I don't think I have ever been so depressed as that day, my worse memory as a Blade, but plenty of things happened in games before that incident that meant we had chances to not be in that position, either a shot or header going wide, or a goal conceded from a mistake.
 
Woodwardfan said:
Not Jagielka's handball or Webber's miss then, neither of them? Givens' penalty? Dean not giving Walker a penalty? Doc Pace's supposed handball at Elland Road? Hopkins fluky 25 yarder? Tevez's disgusting goal at Burnley? Simonson's penalty? Gerrard's 3 penalties ( 1 just about valid, just!)?

Fleeting moments that might not have happened and history could have been oh so different.

I would have loved to have taken all those 'seasons each as a whole' but with those moments being oh so different.:mad:
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The point is that football's a marginal game. In any given game you can point to a few moments that changed the whole course. A defender that didn't make a tackle, a keeper out of position, a striker missing a chance.

It's very human to point to the moments that stand out as starkly as Jags' handball did but there's a moment just like it for every goal scored (and equally every passage of play where you don't score) where you could say "if only that had gone another way". It's the accumulation of the many thousands of moments that determine how a season ends up. If we'd done better in those other moments, the Wigan game might not have mattered at all. We could have been safe before kick off.
 



Broomhall Blade said:
I think it will be more frustrating that we dropped points at home against crap sides like Bolton and Wednesday.
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.....and Birmingham and Norwich, we are comfortably better than all four sides, there’s no contest.

I think the standard of the refs in this league is below the standard required, most of them lack consistency but they had nothing to do with all four of the results in our posts, those four results were down to us not putting the ball in the onion bag more than the opposition and nothing to do with the refs.
 
pommpey said:
I give you Gerrard's dive and the 'offside' at Upton Park in the same season.

Four points and two goals difference.

Rob Styles and Mike Riley. I hope their fucking next shit is a hedgehog.

pommpey
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What about all the stuff that went for us that season that shouldn't have?
 
Going back to the PL season, I’d say Hulse breaking his leg was the occurrence that had the most impact on that season. Funny that Coutts breaking his is probably the same in this season. We all know that with Coutts we’d have been up by Christmas.
 
HodgysBrokenThumb said:
On a different aspect of refereeing, how good it was to see the ref tell the Burton player to move back to the correct place to take his first throw-in, and then give the foul-throw when the guy ignored him. Problem solved for the rest of the match.
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Yeah it was, shame the linesman on the opposite side was oblivious to their player lifting his foot up everytime he threw it as far as he could, down the line.
It's a bit of a bug bear of mine, it happens regularly andlets face it, what else does the fucking Lino have to watch when their taking a throw in FFS.
I've just been away with one of the lino's doing the Forest game, I'll make sure to give him the heads up about it ;)
 
PeterNdlovu081 said:
No idea. Nobody ever remembers.
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Webber’s offside goal at Watford.

Thassit.

There was a website called You Need Specs Ref run by some students that year that analysed obvious refereeing mistakes allowing or denying goals in the Premier League (albeit some more subjective than others), and provided a ‘corrected’ league table where we would have finished around 14th. Generally the referees favoured the big boys and the London clubs, and of all the decisions they believed were wrong the sum total in our favour was Danny Webber’s offside goal at Watford.
 
Punk Blade said:
Webber’s offside goal at Watford.

Thassit.

There was a website called You Need Specs Ref run by some students that year that analysed obvious refereeing mistakes allowing or denying goals in the Premier League (albeit some more subjective than others), and provided a ‘corrected’ league table where we would have finished around 14th. Generally the referees favoured the big boys and the London clubs, and of all the decisions they believed were wrong the sum total in our favour was Danny Webber’s offside goal at Watford.
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Top corner, Punk.

I can't really recall us profiting significantly from any poor refereeing decisions, even 'I've seen them given' penalties waved away for us or prosecuted against us, offsides against us or challenges which have changed the shape of a game as it has either resulted in one of ours sent off or stretchered off. It doesn't 'even itself out' at all. The sum total must be (by assumption) that the bigger clubs get away with it whilst the shitty end of football have the residuals. Graham Poll? David Elleray? All referees who were quite happy to overlook the disadvantages faced by clubs with less fashionable pedigree and wave play on/penalise in favour of those clubs. I'd love anyone to place on one side of the balance the massive effect of things such as the WHU offside goal and Gerrard's craven cheating (leave aside Tevez and 'we shud of wun more matchis laike') against the oversight of a lino where Webber is concerned. We lost a manager, several marquee players and our foothold in the top flight and ended up bottoming out in the relegation places in division three (at one stage). What benefit did Webber's goal give us against that?

pommpey
 
pommpey said:
Top corner, Punk.

I can't really recall us profiting significantly from any poor refereeing decisions, even 'I've seen them given' penalties waved away for us or prosecuted against us, offsides against us or challenges which have changed the shape of a game as it has either resulted in one of ours sent off or stretchered off. It doesn't 'even itself out' at all. The sum total must be (by assumption) that the bigger clubs get away with it whilst the shitty end of football have the residuals. Graham Poll? David Elleray? All referees who were quite happy to overlook the disadvantages faced by clubs with less fashionable pedigree and wave play on/penalise in favour of those clubs. I'd love anyone to place on one side of the balance the massive effect of things such as the WHU offside goal and Gerrard's craven cheating (leave aside Tevez and 'we shud of wun more matchis laike') against the oversight of a lino where Webber is concerned. We lost a manager, several marquee players and our foothold in the top flight and ended up bottoming out in the relegation places in division three (at one stage). What benefit did Webber's goal give us against that?

pommpey
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Absolutely. Just a couple more goals in the For column or a couple fewer in the Against column would have been enough. Gerrard at the Lane, Gerrard at Anfield, Kozzy at West Ham, Shelton at Old Trafford. These aren’t close calls that could have gone either way, this is either complete ineptitude or blatant cheating by referees. At West Ham it wasn’t even an opinion that something constituted a foul and we disagree, no one challenged the goalie at all. That goal alone would have seen us finish above West Ham.

At the start of this season we had to score two goals for every one that counted with a string of awful offside decisions. Can anyone remember any incorrect decisions helping us score goals we didn’t deserve? The next poor decision I can remember was the penalty at Villa.
 



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