With no money, how long does Wilder stay?

[Sheff de party]

It never ceases to amaze me how many times people ask whether managers will fuck off if there’s no money. In just the football league, there are 92 clubs and you’d have to say at least 62 have no money really. How many times have you seen managers jump ship for that reason?

Managers move because they get sacked, get an offer from a better team or they want to manage their boyhood club or one they’ve had a connection with.

He can’t get sacked because he’s done a brilliant job. He can’t leave for his boyhood club because we’re it. We’re on the top 30 teams in the country. All of those above us in this league don’t want a new manager and he doesn’t have the experience for a top 5 Prem side. That rules in relegation candidates from the Prem (which he’d surely avoid because we have a chance of going up) or a mid-table team that for some reason wants someone new.

Ruling out the newly promoted sides going alright, I’d narrow it down to Watford, West Ham, Southampton and Stoke. Do you really see him going to watford or stoke?

So unless he wants to abandon his dream job because in a transfer window no one planned for because we expected to be doing worse, he’s not openly saying he’s got a blank cheque, AND Southampton or West Ham suddenly decide to poach a manager from a lower division, I think I can rest easy that he’ll be here a while.

Try and do the same

 

[Champagneblade]

I'm not sure how ready Wilder is to be a Premiership manager right now.

I think it is fantastic the way the team plays and I love the 'have a go' type mentality but there is a certain naivete about his approach that will get found out the higher you go.

Yes, the plan is to win, but the plan is also to accumulate the most points possible. Ideally you would say by winning! But there are also instances where the game isn't there to be won. Whilst I love this approach, a more seasoned manager would have looked at Bristol as one of our rivals and seen the big picture. Hold Carruthers back, if anything, put another defender on, take the point and retain parity. As it is, instead of 1 apiece, they advance with 3, we remain with none and in the grand scheme of things that could be significant.

Sadly this is the margin between success and failure. Occasional rotation in League One where most of your players are better doesn't get punished. Breaking up an improving partnership of Clarke and Donaldson and putting Basham back to a position he is at best adequate wasn't smart management and there was no hindsight in this. We would have had a far better chance of beating Bolton and he should have looked on this as a winnable game to secure points, not a game to rest people. Donaldson had only just got back in the team, why does he need a rest? If anything Derby away was the bonus game. Yet we went in there needing to not lose really. We could have been going in there knowing a win would reduce arrears to 1 point had we set up correctly and beat Bolton. As it was we set up knowing a defeat could put us at least 10 points off second.

All this about budget means is that Chris has to keep us focused on quality. If to improve it means Billy becomes a squad player instead of starter, then there really is no place for Hanson or Lavary if Sharp is only occupying a bit part. His skill will be in jettisoning those no longer required and getting good value for them at the same time. Marginal increases in net wages will not be balked at. Neither will the odd fee if we can see monies also coming in.

End of the day, he is just being asked to manage. I think he can do it as long as the board and manager are sensible. You'd hope both would be.

 

[stringjunior]

Wilder is on record saying he will not jeopardise the future of the club by spending frivolously. He has this clubs future at the centre of his thinking - we don't need to worry about anything else.

Relax

 

[Harrisblade]

He wouldn't leave now but this transfer window may end up being a turning point if he ends up thinking the board are taking the piss.
The guy deserves some proper support and if he doesn't get it why stay here long term?

Someone take Pedro's shovel away

 

[finlaytheblade]

I'm not sure how ready Wilder is to be a Premiership manager right now.

I think it is fantastic the way the team plays and I love the 'have a go' type mentality but there is a certain naivete about his approach that will get found out the higher you go.

Yes, the plan is to win, but the plan is also to accumulate the most points possible. Ideally you would say by winning! But there are also instances where the game isn't there to be won. Whilst I love this approach, a more seasoned manager would have looked at Bristol as one of our rivals and seen the big picture. Hold Carruthers back, if anything, put another defender on, take the point and retain parity. As it is, instead of 1 apiece, they advance with 3, we remain with none and in the grand scheme of things that could be significant.

Sadly this is the margin between success and failure. Occasional rotation in League One where most of your players are better doesn't get punished. Breaking up an improving partnership of Clarke and Donaldson and putting Basham back to a position he is at best adequate wasn't smart management and there was no hindsight in this. We would have had a far better chance of beating Bolton and he should have looked on this as a winnable game to secure points, not a game to rest people. Donaldson had only just got back in the team, why does he need a rest? If anything Derby away was the bonus game. Yet we went in there needing to not lose really. We could have been going in there knowing a win would reduce arrears to 1 point had we set up correctly and beat Bolton. As it was we set up knowing a defeat could put us at least 10 points off second.

All this about budget means is that Chris has to keep us focused on quality. If to improve it means Billy becomes a squad player instead of starter, then there really is no place for Hanson or Lavary if Sharp is only occupying a bit part. His skill will be in jettisoning those no longer required and getting good value for them at the same time. Marginal increases in net wages will not be balked at. Neither will the odd fee if we can see monies also coming in.

End of the day, he is just being asked to manage. I think he can do it as long as the board and manager are sensible. You'd hope both would be.

I take it you think Wilder is nieve and thick?

 

[Bladezz]

If, as looks likely, there's no significant investment available, can't see Wilder staying that long.
We're at a crossroads, he's plainly ambitious, he's secured his legendary status here and very few would begrudge him leaving.
Maybe he'll work the ultimate managerial miracle on a shoestring but we're currently treading water.
It would be say to see him go but if he isn't going to get reasonable backing, he doesn't owe us - and particularly the board he's worked wonders for - anything.

End of season.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

End of season.

Which season?

 

[alcoblade]

I suspect Wilder already knew the budget at the start of the season.

I don’t think he did.

 

[Bladezz]

Which season?

This one.

I know I’ll get slated for my opinion. But there comes a time when you reach the maximum at a club that’s out of your hands. If no investment we will be holding him back from the premiership.

Carlos got a job in the Prem, and CW is a lot better.

I do fear without investment in the summer he may walk away with his reputation at 100 and us all hating the board.

 

[Blackheath Blade]

Someone take Pedro's shovel away

Someone give Pedro a fuckin good whack with said shovel.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

This one.

I know I’ll get slated for my opinion. But there comes a time when you reach the maximum at a club that’s out of your hands. If no investment we will be holding him back from the premiership.

Carlos got a job in the Prem, and CW is a lot better.

I do fear without investment in the summer he may walk away with his reputation at 100 and us all hating the board.

If he places personal ambition above loyality to the Blades, based on some subjective amount to of money that none of us have any clue about, then I would be very surprised.

There has been nothing about Wilder that suggests he would give up and walk away on our team.

 

[DiggerBlade]

If, as looks likely, there's no significant investment available, can't see Wilder staying that long.
We're at a crossroads, he's plainly ambitious, he's secured his legendary status here and very few would begrudge him leaving.
Maybe he'll work the ultimate managerial miracle on a shoestring but we're currently treading water.
It would be say to see him go but if he isn't going to get reasonable backing, he doesn't owe us - and particularly the board he's worked wonders for - anything.

" No significant investment available "

In my 50 plus years of following the Blades that is the first time I've ever heard that.

Time to get real I think.

 

[Bladezz]

If he places personal ambition above loyality to the Blades, based on some subjective amount to of money that none of us have any clue about, then I would be very surprised.

There has been nothing about Wilder that suggests he would give up and walk away on our team.

Not about money etc it’s about progression. We’ve had a miracle this season. Hardly any money spent top 7.

Villa spent MILLIONS there giving Bruce a chance to get back up where as we are saying come on Chris pull a worldie off.

Imagine if you have CW those Villa players! They would have already won the league.

 

[metalblade]

No Money! where u herd dis pal ?

 

[alcoblade]

he will leave if mccabe doesn't back him enough

What makes you sure it’s McCabe who won’t invest?

 

[Sean Thornton]

I take it you think Wilder is nieve and thick?

And hit him with it.

"Strange" bank loan. Has no idea what it relates to so it has to be"strange".

Pork? Or a duplicate account?

 

[Sean Thornton]

I don’t think he did.

Why?

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Pedro is a Pig,very upset about his team being made a laughing stock by Burton,

 

[SwissBlade]

Wilder will be gone by lunchtime today

 

[Sean Thornton]

Wilder will be gone by lunchtime today

He's clearing his desk out now, and Devine Pig is taking him home in his D Taxi after he drops the bloke from Liverpool off at BL for his 9.30 meeting. Then and only then will we get the real story.

 

[SwissBlade]

He's clearing his desk out now, and Devine Pig is taking him home in his D Taxi after he drops the bloke from Liverpool off at BL for his 9.30 meeting. Then and only then will we get the real story.

and it will all be live streamed on porktalk

 

[Tunstall Fred]

If, as looks likely, there's no significant investment available, can't see Wilder staying that long.
We're at a crossroads, he's plainly ambitious, he's secured his legendary status here and very few would begrudge him leaving.
Maybe he'll work the ultimate managerial miracle on a shoestring but we're currently treading water.
It would be say to see him go but if he isn't going to get reasonable backing, he doesn't owe us - and particularly the board he's worked wonders for - anything.

Give it a rest Pig

 

[sitwell]

Who is the well run ambitious club with loads of money and a vacancy. Apart from Wendy I can't see one.

 

[Carlton Blade]

There's a good chance it'll come down to the last day of the window again before any business gets done. Wilder seems to take pride in not exceeding the value he puts on a player and teams quite rightly don't want to give their better players up.

I have no idea why Wilder would leave. 24k fans every week, top 8 in Champ, a team he has built, getting loads of plaudits, the chance to keep working on his tactical system with minimal pressure (due to the capital he's built up with us), no viable jobs to move in to. Seems like a good job to me

 

[blade too long]

define significant

best signing in last 2 years is arguably Leon Clarke
Hes been very significant to us at 150 k so is it 150k

 

[Bayingblade]

Feel free to provide firm proof to back up everything that you are saying and I might start to believe that you are on to something.

Forgive my french but it fucks me off to another level completely, that we going above and beyond the expectations of not only our fans, but fans who and down the country who let's not forget wrote us of before a ball was even kicked....Yet despite this being a pretty euphoric moment in our recent history after some pretty shitty times, it just isn't enough for some.

Now forgive me for living in the world of reality here but I couldn't give a flying toss whether our next signing costs 2 million or 2 hundred thousand as long as he brings something to the table which takes us forwards!. Which part of our recent successes bring grounds for concern? We have the leagues leading goalscorer who we purchased on a pittance... We have one of the leagues finest midfielders with the most assists, again picked up on a pittance.......Now Big Clayts is banging them in, oh did I mention that we picked him up on a pittance?......

This isn't aimed directly at you but at all the winging gits who if I am honest, I feel are ruining some of my most positive days as a Blades supporter. I've followed them through thick and thin for years on end and right now is up there with the best of them!...On a Saturday I leap out of bed and I am shit, showered and shaved before my alarm has gone off. I don't want to stand in the pub or in the stands, close to some numpty slating the ambition of the club or trying to implant negative bullshit into my head. I want to go into the ground and hopefully see another scalp of a club who's fans told us that we would be relegated by Christmas!.....If indeed anything untowards is going on then I am sure I will here about it at some point when actual facts are released, until then I couldn't care less.

20th lowest wage bill in the league is it?....One of the least valuable squads in the league in regards to fees paid?....Not doing to bad really are we all things considered?....We need some improvement yes but I am more than happy to leave it to the bloke who has rarely put a foot wrong so far personally.

#UTB

Nail. Head. BANG!!! Well fucking said!

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

He'll be off to an ambitious club about our size or smaller who just so happen to have a mega rich chairman who can chuck millions at reaching the Premier League.

Once achieved, said incredibly ambitious club will spend tens of millions every year in order to cement their 14th place finish until they inevitably go down seven years later.

You've had the audacity to change your avatar and now, for the life of me, I can't remember what it was before.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I hope Wilder stays a very long time and he doesn’t seem a petulant kind of bloke who would throw his toys out the pram over budgets as long as he’s aware what he’s working with.

What we need to remember is that we took a punt on him last year and he’s in his dream job, football is also a fickle industry so I’d imagine he is the kind of guy who places a lot on the fact that he’s settled, near home and currently we’ll liked. A bad start in the PL and he’s jobless in 6 months.

He’s doing a great job and we need to back him, but some of the suggestions I’ve seen about no budget etc are bollocks. It’s also worth considering that all managers have a shelf life in a particular job apart from 1 or 2 notable exceptions. At some point it will be the right time for him to move on, but not yet.

 

[I should coco]

"Strange" bank loan. Has no idea what it relates to so it has to be"strange".

Come on Sean, you've been around long enough to know that everything McCabe does is suspicious and has to be questioned.

Picking the pieces up in 2000 after the Mike Macdonald / Colombotti madness, was for his own sake and nothing to do with being a Blade.

Since then he has taken tens of millions of semi final muneh out of the club and buys new BMWs for his sons every year.

He bought the hotel to rip us off further and not because we were in the shit and had no other way of getting cash into the club, which was haemoraging it at the time.

The Walker money went straight down his settee and didn't go through the accounts. We know these are a fix anyway, as they don't show all the dodgy dealings that we 'know' are going on.

Why can't we have a nice straight forward bloke like the one at S6. He sets up taxi firms for the fans and buys the players they want like Fletcher and Rhodes. He's just got them a lovely young lass as CEO to help with the day to day running of the club and they also have their own special Wednesday Pale Ale. Things are looking good in S6 so I'm actually thinking of supporting them for a while.

 

[SteveBlade]

You've had the audacity to change your avatar and now, for the life of me, I can't remember what it was before.

Who knows?