Lessons from sale of DCL

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CopenhagenBlade said:
Show me where you said that and show me where I have mentioned where I have said anything about Jordan Slew....
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I said it in the sold thread and even posted a bag of peanuts when he was sold.

It was others on here who expected him to be the next Slew and have been surprised he has even got a game for Everton.
 



He's playing every game for Everton. Koeman seems to love him....

He's worth 5m at least now. Sounds stupid, but I guarantee they'd want that if he handed a request in.
 
Bladesman said:
I said it in the sold thread and even posted a bag of peanuts when he was sold.

It was others on here who expected him to be the next Slew and have been surprised he has even got a game for Everton.
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Well good for you if you did, you were in a minority on here.
If, as others have said, that his sale helped purchase the players that got us out of league one then in theory the value of his sale is greater than £1m.
I hope that being in the Championship means that we can view the Academy differently but we have to accept that talent will be sold and in today's market that is more than £1m
 
Maguire, Naughton, Walker, Lowton, DCL...

Someone at The Academy is earning their beans. I have no interest in the pigs, in fact they are dead to me and I don't even know their players ( easier when you don't live in Sheffield anymore). However, I don't hear of any little piggies being mentioned on Match of the Day or playing for England or anywhere really.

We keep producing these players and soon we won't be needing to sell em on before we have to...

Let Brooks be the first to stay a while..
 
Sheffsteel said:
The next tv deal could be massive meaning PL teams start with 250 million per season.
This means 100 million transfers will be relatively common.
Let's imagine that Brooks will be the real deal in the PL
Means he could easily be worth £50 million in 5 years.

So would people say if Man City offered us 20 million for Brooks we should refuse it?
Then what if Brooks agent now asks for a new 5 year contract on £30K a week, should we pay it?
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The next TV deal is more likely to go down. BT will just compete for the 2 small packages as Sky can't win them all. Sky won't need to be half as much next time
 
sheffielder said:
The next TV deal is more likely to go down. BT will just compete for the 2 small packages as Sky can't win them all. Sky won't need to be half as much next time
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I heard google or Facebook might get involved and do something similiar to IFollow where basically every PL match is made available around the world on a pay per view. It seems the growth of the PL around the world is getting bigger and bigger.
 
What are we even bitching about?

When we were in League 1, the only aim was to get out of League 1. We were there for 6 years, it was becoming a joke. We couldn't stick with a youngster in the hope that he'd turn out to be amazing and then we'd sell him for millions more, we just needed to get out of the league.

If we deemed DCL surplus to requirements, and could get a bit for him to strengthen our team to achieve our goal of promotion, then so be it.

What's actually happened here, is we let a player go that we didn't need at the time and we brought in players that were influential in a season where we won the title and gained 100 points, finally getting out of the league.

He wouldn't have played. He'd have been playing for the Under 23's every week. Would we have still made the signings we did if we kept him? Maybe, maybe not. Would we have still gone up had we not made the signings? Probably? Maybe not.

For the last 6 years we couldn't, now is the time we can look to the long term.
 
blade too long said:
Whats DLC actually done

He's played a handful of games for Everton
Hes probably worth a million just now
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:( I'll bet my house against yours that if another club offered EFC £20m for him they'd tell the club to get fucked? And just think how much he'll be worth when played regularly in his best position!
 
sheffielder said:
The next TV deal is more likely to go down. BT will just compete for the 2 small packages as Sky can't win them all. Sky won't need to be half as much next time
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No chance.

In round figures Sky/BT paid about £2.2 billion.

They sell the rights around the world for around £5.5 billion.

With a return like that the price will NEVER go down.
 



GRUMPY BLADE said:
No chance.

In round figures Sky/BT paid about £2.2 billion.

They sell the rights around the world for around £5.5 billion.

With a return like that the price will NEVER go down.
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Yes they do, but I don't think they will compete against each other like they have done. BT won't be bidding for the top packages again.
 
At least wilder was given some of the funds to sign other players, lessons have been learned and it paid off. It hasn't always been the case has it.

Don't like to lose players but at least if the money is used to strengthen the team it softens the blow.
 
Sheffsteel said:
I heard google or Facebook might get involved and do something similiar to IFollow where basically every PL match is made available around the world on a pay per view. It seems the growth of the PL around the world is getting bigger and bigger.
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surely it's whoever owns the package for the game shown at that time that makes the money?
 
I stated on here that DCL would go to a premier league club and was laughed at. If I was really nasty, I'd dig the threads up and make some people look really stupid with their asinine remarks. DCL played up top for the youth teams for a couple of years, left the club for two loan spells in which he did superbly, before being on the verge of our first team. He was much more highly thought of than the likes of Brooks and Whiteman, at the same age. This doesn't mean he'll have the better career .He didn't do much in our first team, but he had a match winning display in the Grimsby game in which he scored a classy goal. There was a very telling remark from Wilder in his Guiseley post match interview which seems to have gone under the radar: “We’re in a better position and I’m possibly contradicting myself now, but maybe if we’d kept hold of the likes of, or tried a little bit harder to keep hold of the likes of Dominic Calvert-Lewin and maybe one or two of the others [we’d benefit now that we’re] in the Championship. So hopefully we can do that now.”

More interesting quotes on young players in the article here, including the above quote: http://www.viewfromthejohnstreet.co...ame-of-transfer-call-my-bluff-at-bramall-lane
 
I'm firmly in the camp that has no problem with the DCL sale. I don't think he'll amount to much, though by all accounts he played well last night. He certainly showed less than Walker did prior to his sale (though small sample size for both, of course) and there was no evidence - and still is no evidence - that he'll be a goalscorer on a regular basis.

Did we get screwed on the fee? Maybe we did, but probably only in the sense that there was a mindset at the club that 1 million = good deal, which hasn't been the case for some years. There are more obvious cases where we should have held out for more (Maguire, when we bid against ourselves to get rid of him, springs to mind).

The main reasons I had no problem with the DCL sale were that the money (and the Adams money) was, for once, put to good use. We brought in Moore, Ebanks-Landell (on loan) and Lafferty (on loan then) around that time. I strongly suspect we would not have been able to do this had we not raised that money. All 3 of those players were major contributors in our promotion campaign. DCL and Adams effectively paid for them. That is good business. Plus we had no problem with scoring goals, so it's not as if these two were missed.

DCL may become a special player. But that won't be annoying, because when I see him play I will think that his sale helped to win us promotion, so it was worth it. The contrast with Maguire, who effectively subsidised the likes of Alcock, McEverley and Higdon, and whose sale (and Clough's disagreements with other players) left us without any decent central defenders is stark.

The moral of the story is perhaps don't sell a young player if (a) you don't have a good plan for using the fees and (b) he leaves a hole in the team that you can't fill easily, or at all.
 
Melton Blade said:
DCL starts tonight for Everton (on merit) v Man City live on Sky (watched by millions). He was sold by us as a 19 year old for little over £1m .... 51 weeks ago.

What is he worth today? On a day when Chris Wood (rejected by WBA & Leicester) as not being good enough fetches £15m.

With the Walker & Harry money in the bank - we MUST surely hold onto Brooksy until he delivers on the promise FOR US and if sold in the future it is for REAL money and not chicken feed as was DCL.
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The deal is in the sell on.

£1 million was a good deal at the time, he has come on leaps and bounds playing with better players, and a manager not afraid to chuck him in, and stick with him.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I watched him all through the U18s/21s, and his brief cameos for the first team(who can forget his miss at home to Crewe, and his abject showing at Bury), and rated him highly.

But no one could envisage how he has kicked on so quickly.

I said at the time £1 million is a good deal for a League One club, so to change that view a year later isn`t right.

Brooks looks Premier league through and through, and our higher status should be reflected in any price. £3 million in my view, minimum.
 
seanbeenstattoo said:
I know you believe that SUFC have never,ever,ever done anything but make absolutely every decision spot on since 1889 but the above statement is so ridiculous it's untrue.
You must be McCabes love child.

DCL happened to also score the winning goal in a World Cup final. But let's airbrush that inconvenient truth out eh.
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Like it or not whatever a young player does at junior level is meaningless. The 11 that won that cup more than half will never play regular first team football a fact we can draw from previous England juniors. It not about McCabe. Love DCL but he is still very raw . And no one can tell who will make the grade . He has the right attitude but still has a he'll of a long road ahead to be worth big money . It's not a mistake by the club just a fact of life we were a league one club who needed experience then rather than potential and it worked for us
 
Melton Blade said:
DCL starts tonight for Everton (on merit) v Man City live on Sky (watched by millions). He was sold by us as a 19 year old for little over £1m .... 51 weeks ago.

What is he worth today? On a day when Chris Wood (rejected by WBA & Leicester) as not being good enough fetches £15m.

With the Walker & Harry money in the bank - we MUST surely hold onto Brooksy until he delivers on the promise FOR US and if sold in the future it is for REAL money and not chicken feed as was DCL.
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The lesson to take from DCL is that in the same situation in the future we should do the same again
 
hardytm2004 said:
At least we've got these issues, being worried about great academy players being developed and getting poached for decent money by bigger clubs. Some clubs and fans are tearing their hair out how little they've produced over the years.... just look at them at hillsb*r*gh
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Correct. While it's galling when our young talent 'flies the nest', it's pretty inevitable. The player will usually want to better himself, his parents will and his agent certainly will. But at least we keep producing this conveyor-belt of talent. If we don't, we can raid other teams' academies or nick talent like Brooks after ten years at Man. City's academy.

Wendy? Apart from Brunt and Antonio, I can't think of any players they've 'brought on' (neither started at Swillsborough). It's more a retirement home.

So, having accepted that nothing will prevent us losing our young talent, at least make sure a very good sell-on clause is in place.

We're living in crazy times in football. Everybody is saying £15m for Chris Woods from Leeds is stupid, but I disagree. 41 goals in 83 apps. for Leeds means he's one of the few who is worth it. And, when he goes on to join a big club (i.e. not Burnley) his fee will dwarf £15m.
Some people I sit with at the match on Saturday were saying 'It's can't continue like this' (re. £150m for Coutinho). They were right. A few days later, the new benchmark is Messi to Man. City. £275m.
 
SteveBlade said:
What are we even bitching about?

When we were in League 1, the only aim was to get out of League 1. We were there for 6 years, it was becoming a joke. We couldn't stick with a youngster in the hope that he'd turn out to be amazing and then we'd sell him for millions more, we just needed to get out of the league.

If we deemed DCL surplus to requirements, and could get a bit for him to strengthen our team to achieve our goal of promotion, then so be it.

What's actually happened here, is we let a player go that we didn't need at the time and we brought in players that were influential in a season where we won the title and gained 100 points, finally getting out of the league.

He wouldn't have played. He'd have been playing for the Under 23's every week. Would we have still made the signings we did if we kept him? Maybe, maybe not. Would we have still gone up had we not made the signings? Probably? Maybe not.

For the last 6 years we couldn't, now is the time we can look to the long term.
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That's it in a nutshell. Was a poor fee but the timing was perfect as we had to get us out of L1.
 
DCL is a quality player, however I feel he needed to move on to improve, win some lose some....remember Jordan Slew!
 



We've always been a selling club. They tried to sell Jimmy Hagan to the pigs back in the day but he refused to go. Had some sense that bloke.The talent that have left us is endless :Jones, Birchenall, Currie, Sabella and in later times McDonald. Just think what we might have achieved if we had kept them. It's galling to see how well our Academy lads achieve after leaving us but unless we get 'silly money' then I'm afraid it will be thus.
 
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