Budget for incoming.

[Woodwardfan]

What is it then? 'Available now' ... well spend it then and don't let us be found wanting between September and January, or JTW, 'why' is my question? Why not 'now'?

Who is stuck on repeat here, WWF. And while we are on that subject, you say I have been stuck on repeat for years. Would that be since 2008?

pommpey

Pommps. Have you ever asked McCabe, been to a Fans Forum where he invites any question from the floor, written to him ( he does reply), studied the club accounts, have a view on how much KM has invested over the years, seen the Wilder team play recently?

I have and I got a straight answer as you'd expect from a lifelong Blade and honest man. I've also asked two new managers about their budgets in their new job. I can tell you now that our budget is way,way more than the Adkins season in particular, last season too and maybe even Clough's budgets which were a gamble really. Of course the budget is growing.

Another question. How much do you believe our player wage budget was last season? You must have a view to have these opinions. Simple question, straight answer please.

 

[Woodwardfan]

My guess is 'that's your lot'. See what you can do with that Chris and if I haven't sacked you by Xmas and the shit isn't flying too much, you can have a few Barry Oddnobs in the JTW at an undisclosed.



Hang on. Whose wishes? Is it not yours to consolidate in this division? What about everyone else?

pommpey

You said so in the post I was replying to.

 

[Trueblade]

this transfer window has been very odd.

Firstly Wilder has been quick to announce that we won't sit and wait on players we are bidding on and we will move on quickly...but we haven't at all. We seem persistently linked with the same players and nothing moves.

Secondly, the Conor Coady bid was just bizarre. Didn't seem to be a person on the planet who thought it could actually happen.

Seems a little bit desperate to be honest. Wilder has been exceptional in the market so it does beg the question as to what's going on and how much the budget we have is affecting him.

 

[Woodwardfan]

this transfer window has been very odd.

Firstly Wilder has been quick to announce that we won't sit and wait on players we are bidding on and we will move on quickly...but we haven't at all. We seem persistently linked with the same players and nothing moves.

Secondly, the Conor Coady bid was just bizarre. Didn't seem to be a person on the planet who thought it could actually happen.

Seems a little bit desperate to be honest. Wilder has been exceptional in the market so it does beg the question as to what's going on and how much the budget we have is affecting him.

Wilder pointed out a while ago that his best business was done late in the Windows.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

If we had to sell to buy now it would be a joke. But I don't think we do.

I'm pretty certain we need to sell/offload before we have further incoming. I'll tell you why I think that.

There are 2 aspects to the finances that people sometimes seem to overlook. There's the "budget" to cover any transfer fee and then there's the "budget" to cover wages. You could say it's all the same thing, and in the grand scheme of things it is the same thing, but it's helpful to think of these as two separate pots of money.

In terms of the budget to cover the transfer fee - we are not in the market to spend £10M on a player, like some of our Championship rivals are doing. I'm delighted that we aren't tbh. I think this is grossly extortionate money to spend on any one player and I'm not sure this gets you a better player than you could get for a fraction of that amount. I've said it before, when you get beyond a certain price point you are paying for "availability" more than quality. Just the same with fine wine. A £200 bottle is not necessarily any better than a £20 bottle but it's rarer, so you pay more. The kind of players that Wilder is looking to sign do not involve big money transfer fees - so that's not the issue. I think the club has sufficient funds to allow him to operate in terms of transfer fees. However...

It's not the transfer fee that is the big outlay though necessarily, it's the wages. Most clubs will set a ceiling on the wage bill. They'll carve that piece of finance out as if it is a separate pot of money to everything else and look at that separate to transfer fees. The reason why is because it is a regular weekly leakage of money out of the club of significant proportions. You can't just let that get out of control, there has to be limits to it or the club would quickly be heading for administration. This is the problem that Wilder has right now. It's not that the club won't give him any money to sign someone, it's that they insist he has to operate within a certain wage structure and if he's approaching the limits of that then he has to get some off the wage bill to be able to bring others in.

Brayford is the obvious big money earner that is forming part of the blockage down there and it will be a good thing when he eventually gets on his bike, as I'm sure he will. And then, I think, you'll see some incoming, but not before.

 

[metalblade]

The Blade of the two owners has years of such 'pressure' from such fans and knows he is really well supported personally by the majority. He holds forums and answers any question from the floor. I doubt if such as Pommpey has ever been to a fans forum or written to McCabe or spoken to him face to face. He'd rather just repeat the same thing year in year out. Such 'bullying' is like peeing in the wind frankly.

Right now everything is going well. McCabe has fewer worries than ever since 2007. Pommpey is not on his radar, never has been and McCabe is not on Pommpey's radar really. He'll never ask him the question in a month of Sundays frankly. That question has been answered by McCabe ad nauseum over the years.

The owners are investing big money, say £5m per annum in round figures and the Prince put more than that in the first couple of years. The club has to grow and improve in a controlled manner, not just a couple of punts on 'big players' like Robson did. Been there done that, approx £60m ago.

Who is it that is stuck on repeat?

 

[pommpey]

Pommps. Have you ever asked McCabe, been to a Fans Forum where he invites any question from the floor, written to him ( he does reply), studied the club accounts, have a view on how much KM has invested over the years, seen the Wilder team play recently?

1. Forums. No. Have you asked him? Do you have the answers? You seem to be in the know, like. So tell us. I couln't give a fat one "how much he has 'invested over the years'" to be honest. I bet it pales into insignificance to the amount he has wasted over the years appointing shit manager after shit manager and then sacking them because they are clearly drunk, incompetent or want the moon on a stick, as promised. And yes, I have seen the Wilder team play.

I have and I got a straight answer as you'd expect from a lifelong Blade and honest man.

That makes two of us.

I've also asked two new managers about their budgets in their new job. I can tell you now that our budget is way,way more than the Adkins season in particular, last season too and maybe even Clough's budgets which were a gamble really. Of course the budget is growing.

Figures, please. I mean, you have talked to them. Did they tell you how much they had? You must know, because you say now is bigger than then. So, c'mon. Out with the figures. You have also seen the accounts too. So tell us, please.

Another question. How much do you believe our player wage budget was last season? You must have a view to have these opinions. Simple question, straight answer please.

No idea. You know though. Tell us.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

The Blade of the two owners has years of such 'pressure' from such fans and knows he is really well supported personally by the majority. He holds forums and answers any question from the floor. I doubt if such as Pommpey has ever been to a fans forum or written to McCabe or spoken to him face to face. He'd rather just repeat the same thing year in year out. Such 'bullying' is like peeing in the wind frankly.

'Bullying'? That's a laugh. I doubt McCabe has ever been bullied, or likely to be. He's the Owner of the football club, FFS, an incredibly wealthy, powerful individual. Stop being all ridiculously liberal about it and trying to bend this debate into something it isn't. If you yourself have the answers (as you have be to forums, kised McCabe's shiny toecaps in genuflecting reverence and are so 'inside track' on the debate) then tell us the answers. I won't need to go to forums or do anything, because you'll be able to tell us. But you can't. Because you don't know.

Right now everything is going well. McCabe has fewer worries than ever since 2007. Pommpey is not on his radar, never has been and McCabe is not on Pommpey's radar really. He'll never ask him the question in a month of Sundays frankly. That question has been answered by McCabe ad nauseum over the years.

Over what years? Since 2008? I am asking 'where's the investment you promised when we were promoted?' I used to ask 'where's the game changing investment?' but he (and you) failed to answer that one as well.

The owners are investing big money, say £5m per annum in round figures

In what? Show us the real figures, please.

and the Prince put more than that in the first couple of years.

Mainly in paying off Weir, Clough and Adkins ...

The club has to grow and improve in a controlled manner, not just a couple of punts on 'big players' like Robson did. Been there done that, approx £60m ago.

So, McCabe has in fact invested, eh? And he has squandered sixty million in ten years on us being relegated (twice) and staying six years in the third tier of English football. Your words, not mine. As you can see, I don't need to be at games or go to fans forums because you are telling me the whole story. I'm really grateful, you know.

*smacks forehead in despair*

pommpey

 

[metalblade]

I'm with Cerberus Blade I don't think there will be any incomings until Hanson and Brayford depart which makes it look like the "significant investment" on reaching the Championship is just not forthcoming. Those two departing along with Done should free up enough wages for two Championship level players but will that be enough? If not expect Brooks to go to the first club to offer over a million.

 

[finlaytheblade]

'Bullying'? That's a laugh. I doubt McCabe has ever been bullied, or likely to be. He's the Owner of the football club, FFS, an incredibly wealthy, powerful individual. Stop being all ridiculously liberal about it and trying to bend this debate into something it isn't. If you yourself have the answers (as you have be to forums, kised McCabe's shiny toecaps in genuflecting reverence and are so 'inside track' on the debate) then tell us the answers. I won't need to go to forums or do anything, because you'll be able to tell us. But you can't. Because you don't know.



Over what years? Since 2008? I am asking 'where's the investment you promised when we were promoted?' I used to ask 'where's the game changing investment?' but he (and you) failed to answer that one as well.



In what? Show us the real figures, please.



Mainly in paying off Weir, Clough and Adkins ...



So, McCabe has in fact invested, eh? And he has squandered sixty million in ten years on us being relegated (twice) and staying six years in the third tier of English football. Your words, not mine. As you can see, I don't need to be at games or go to fans forums because you are telling me the whole story. I'm really grateful, you know.

*smacks forehead in despair*

pommpey

You can dress it up how you like pommpey but you are still ( with a few others ) trying to bully the club ,the owners and Wilder will not be drawn into
throwing a lot of money at it at this stage.
The club is finding it's feet again in this league with sensible recruiting ,I think money will be spent b ut under control.
Crikey ! played 4 league games still finding out which players can do us a good job and all you think about is spending what is available rashly
Wilder will not be drawn into that.

 

[S5Blade]

I preferred last season, when everything was going well and Pompey had to hide underneath a rock for 9 months as nothing bad was going on at the club and WWF didnt have to spend several hours a day, arguing with Pompey.

Tiresome.

 

[pommpey]

I preferred last season, when everything was going well and Pompey had to hide underneath a rock for 9 months as nothing bad was going on at the club and WWF didnt have to spend several hours a day, arguing with Pompey.

Tiresome.

Yep. And that was last season. Nothing is 'going wrong' at the moment and hopefully nothing will. However we need proper strength in depth. What's our options now Stearman is out and if say O'Connell is injured?

pommpey

 

[South Bucks]

As other have pointed out, our recent "first team" is our league one team all bar two. My recollection is the team we started against Walsall with was almost a completely different eleven who would also make a half decent league one team. So we are back at this place where we have a 20 league one players plus all the subs and reserves, i.e an overly large squad of players who are only occasionally good enough for the championship and not enough of them are automatic championship starters.

The 4 or 5 million km and the prince put in each year then gets gobbled up paying for all those big squad wages and past mistakes and pay offs. Not a great business model. Need to start buying more automatic championship starters and keeping squad size down to low twenties of better quality and using youngsters and loans if we get desperate imo.

We can only have eleven on the pitch and no point having big expensive squads of border line good enough players, it ends up being a big risk if enough of the borderline players come good or we end up back where we came from. Still, averaging a point and a half a game all season, I'd take that now.

 

[pommpey]

You can dress it up how you like pommpey but you are still ( with a few others ) trying to bully the club ,the owners and Wilder will not be drawn into
throwing a lot of money at it at this stage.

Oooh. I bet McCabe has some serious sleepless nights and sits worrying because some forum poster is asking about his snakey proclamations and if he's going to fulfill what he says. I bet he shits himself hourly and feels really bullied and in need of counselling and furthermore, feels slightly relieved that others on here are leaping to his aid when nasty sailors call him out on his bullshit.

In his mansion.

pommpey

 

[S5Blade]

Yep. And that was last season. Nothing is 'going wrong' at the moment and hopefully nothing will. However we need proper strength in depth. What's our options now Stearman is out and if say O'Connell is injured?

pommpey

Honestly Chicken Licken, It is not even worth even trying to have a discussion with you. If it does not end in McCabe fucking the club up the arse, on purpose, and wasting money, on purpose, then you are not interested.

 

[Woodwardfan]

'Bullying'? That's a laugh. I doubt McCabe has ever been bullied, or likely to be. He's the Owner of the football club, FFS, an incredibly wealthy, powerful individual. Stop being all ridiculously liberal about it and trying to bend this debate into something it isn't. If you yourself have the answers (as you have be to forums, kised McCabe's shiny toecaps in genuflecting reverence and are so 'inside track' on the debate) then tell us the answers. I won't need to go to forums or do anything, because you'll be able to tell us. But you can't. Because you don't know.



Over what years? Since 2008? I am asking 'where's the investment you promised when we were promoted?' I used to ask 'where's the game changing investment?' but he (and you) failed to answer that one as well.



In what? Show us the real figures, please.



Mainly in paying off Weir, Clough and Adkins ...



So, McCabe has in fact invested, eh? And he has squandered sixty million in ten years on us being relegated (twice) and staying six years in the third tier of English football. Your words, not mine. As you can see, I don't need to be at games or go to fans forums because you are telling me the whole story. I'm really grateful, you know.

*smacks forehead in despair*

pommpey

I preferred last season, when everything was going well and Pompey had to hide underneath a rock for 9 months as nothing bad was going on at the club and WWF didnt have to spend several hours a day, arguing with Pompey.

Tiresome.

Just once or twice a year, dont worry about me. Complete waste of time bit its not him I'm communicating with, rather younger audience in fact; otherwise they might believe him.

 

[Woodwardfan]

As other have pointed out, our recent "first team" is our league one team all bar two. My recollection is the team we started against Walsall with was almost a completely different eleven who would also make a half decent league one team. So we are back at this place where we have a 20 league one players plus all the subs and reserves, i.e an overly large squad of players who are only occasionally good enough for the championship and not enough of them are automatic championship starters.

The 4 or 5 million km and the prince put in each year then gets gobbled up paying for all those big squad wages and past mistakes and pay offs. Not a great business model. Need to start buying more automatic championship starters and keeping squad size down to low twenties of better quality and using youngsters and loans if we get desperate imo.

We can only have eleven on the pitch and no point having big expensive squads of border line good enough players, it ends up being a big risk if enough of the borderline players come good or we end up back where we came from. Still, averaging a point and a half a game all season, I'd take that now.

It is only a matter of time before Baldock and Landstrun are playing regularly.

 

[pommpey]

Honestly Chicken Licken, It is not even worth even trying to have a discussion with you. If it does not end in McCabe fucking the club up the arse, on purpose, and wasting money, on purpose, then you are not interested.

So, um ... no answer to that, huh? Just the usual ad hominem.

For info, I don't suggest McCabe fucks the club up the arse, on purpose. Pay attention. My track is that he is a master at chicanery and double speak, the likes of which some like you eat up like the good boys you are. Ask pointed questions about that, and you're a 'bully'.

poimmpey

 

[pommpey]

It is only a matter of time before Baldock and Landstrun are playing regularly.

Why are they not now, if they are deemed Championship quality?

pommpey

 

[The Crab]

Forgive what might be a dumb question,but if we have £6m incoming and the owners won't spend £Xm until it lands in their bank account isn't that pathetic penny pinching?

Not neccessarily, I'd imagine it would depend when that £6m is landing, and who exactly is going to pony up the money in the meantime?

 

[PeteBlade]

Face it, matched with the other significant streams of crap coming out from board level in the past six years, McCabe's 'we'll invest when we are promoted' soundbite was a sop to keep the shiny-eyed evangelists amongst the Blades fanbase sweet, and hopefully keep the cynics quiet.

The only saving grace in all of this is Wilder. I think he will do what he can with what he is left with and that will be fed with 'we are looking at players/fax machine' further bullshit until the trapdoor slams shut in eleven days and we are left wondering what the fuck we are going to do.

It can then go two ways:

1. We 'survive' and Wilder manages to galvanise a Championship side from a team of Div Onners. Hmmm, it's possible, if marginally so. Mind you ... last season.

2. We crash and burn and the calls for Wilder's head become so shrill that McCabe sacks him and his staff, paying off another failed venture, there by ending any real hope we have of remaining I and eventually challenge for future progression to the top flight.

Again, we seemingly have funds available outside of any pledges made from transfer sell-ons (although this remains uncommented on by the club) and have yet to see any real gesture from McCabe et al regarding fulfilling his promise.

So, standby for soundbites, the evangelists getting all increasingly snowflakey and poor old Wilder trying to excuse his lords and masters.

Eleven days to prove me wrong. Clock's ticking.

pompey

Been a while.

 

[More Bladier than thou]

What the hell has the prince contributed to so far ? If we cant land our targets due to money, Wilder needs to call the board out over it. He won't take shit from them if hes been promised it, the board have to back him all the way.

 

[Pierre's PC]

What the hell has the prince contributed to so far ?

Absolutely nothing...

 

[pommpey]

Absolutely nothing...

No! No! He's put ten million in. WWF says he has.

To pay off Weir and the rest, it seems.

pommpey

 

[I should coco]

I was referring more to the poster's who attempt to close down any such discussion on here...

Yes becuase when the 'discussion' is all "McCabe, wheres's the money gone" it is oh-so riveting.

but if we have £6m incoming and the owners won't spend £Xm until it lands in their bank account isn't that pathetic penny pinching?

What do you suggest then? Approach Wonga or some other payday lender and pay 20% interest?
I'd actually say it is not prudent to spend it until it is in the bank, especially given the bulk of it is due from Spurs who have not exactly behaved honourably in previous dealings with us.

Mainly in paying off Weir, Clough and Adkins ...

And there it is! People might not like it, but even these 'wasted' sums are real money disappearing out of the club. Chuck in Hammond's contract last season too.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

McCabe and the Prince's problem is other clubs in this league really are investing and many of them are on a par with United in terms of size.
Some of those will have parachute payments burning a hole in their pockets but some won't.
Maybe Wilder will work a miracle and we'll finish in the top six but if we don't but do ok then Wilder's stock still increases.
If one of those clubs that is investing comes calling does he then stay?
He clearly loves the club but it's doubtful he'd be content to just tread water longer term and let his managerial stock gradually diminish.

 

[Esablade]

Yes becuase when the 'discussion' is all "McCabe, wheres's the money gone" it is oh-so riveting

It's interesting that people such as yourself attempt to shut down any discussion re: the owner's when it appears there's a bit of 'bully' going on.

McCabe is on record as stating the Prince's 'game changing' investment 'will not happen until we're in the Championship'.

Well now we're in the Championship and most fans wouldn't call our spending so far 'game changing' at all...maybe we'll have a big last minute splurge before the end of the window..we'll soon see.

Still, you expect people not to discuss this on a football forum?

 

[Barney]

2m at the most, please explain how you come to this figure, and please factor in transfer fees including the undisclosed ones that you don't have a clue how much they were, and the new players wages too, i'd be amazed if its not closer to 4m. add the money wilder has bid for the other 3 and i'd hazard a guess it totals about 7-8m. so in my view if we signed all 3 we would be running at a 2m loss. but who knows which of us is closest, cos frankly none of us have a fucking clue

At the end of day we can do breakdowns of how much we think the players cost all day long, it's subjective. I don't think we've spent anywhere near as much as £4m, and you definitely can't count players who haven't even signed. But I also think Sky were wrong to estimate it at £1m, which most of us knew probably wasn't very accurate.

 

[pommpey]

It's interesting that people such as yourself attempt to shut down any discussion re: the owner's when it appears there's a bit of 'bully' going on.

McCabe is on record as stating the Prince's 'game changing' investment 'will not happen until we're in the Championship'.

Well now we're in the Championship and most fans wouldn't call our spending so far 'game changing' at all...maybe we'll have a big last minute splurge before the end of the window..we'll soon see.

Still, you expect people not to discuss this on a football forum?

Of course not! How dare you.

McCabe has been the saviour of Sheffield United and so say all of us.

Start packing your bags, Wilder.

pommpey

 

[I should coco]

Still, you expect people not to discuss this on a football forum?

It is never actually 'discussed' in any kind of sensible way though, is it?

The "where's the money gone" brigade refuse to believe that losing £5m a season 'uses' any money. This is somehow McCabe's 'problem'. Don't forget that after the 'game changing' comments in 2013, it took us another 3 years to get out of L1 and more good money was spunked.
They also want any money to be spent on transfers and completely ignore the much larger wages that then need to be paid.

The existing staff will all have had contractual promotion bonuses and many may now have higher wages. This could have cost the club anything between £500k to £2m, but again it is not 'real money' is it?

It's interesting that people such as yourself attempt to shut down any discussion

It's not 'interesting' though is it? It is my tedious and predictable response to the simpletons who want other people to spend large sums of their own money, but only ever accept spending on transfer fees. Anything else just doesn't count.