Budget for incoming.

[blade too long]

DIDNT WE DO OUR BEST BUSINESS LAST SEASON JUST BEFORE THE DEADLINE


JUST SAYING

 

[Cassius Kray]

Oh FFS.
That Old Chestnut again.

It's not a chestnut tree, it's a money tree.

 

[Rob86]

i think we have the money available....i'm just not sure that Wilders views on value for money etc really work in the championship, as very few signings in this league look anywhere near value for money.

Is it possible that Wilder isn't keen to sign that player on big money, who then comes in as a 'big' player, with an ego so to speak. If you think he's only dealt with players on 'modest' wages who are perhaps just happy to be in the set up we've got. At some point he's going to have to sign a player who's on more than him, who has the potential to go higher. An arrogance perhaps, whether it be this season or next. If we aren't prepared to do that then we are looking at mid-lower table from now and forever.

 

[Woodwardfan]

What is the obsession with spending money. I don't care if we get just 3 loans between now and when the windows closes, as long as those players are better than we have already got.

At least there is unity in the dressing room.

Agree but signing loanees is spending money just the same.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

It's not a chestnut tree, it's a money tree.

WHOOOOOOOSH.

 

[sheffielder]

Agree but signing loanees is spending money just the same.

Totally agree, but they are more affordable whilst you bring players through like Brooks. I know others don't agree with my logic on loans, but if you have for example a lads called Sam Graham or Callum Semple and you think they are a couple of years away, for me I would be happy having another loan centre half this season and see where they are next summer. assess it again. Don't just buy centre backs for the sake of it.

This was why I was dead against signing Holmes from Charlton> We already had Duffy (same stats roughly as Holmes last season), Carruthers and Brooks. Now over the summer Brooks has come on and we have saved some money on a position I didn't think was a position we needed to waste money on.

 

[PokerBlade]

Therefore as it stands any significant incoming,like a potent striker needs to be matched with further outgoing.

This conclusion makes precisely no sense given we know for definite Wilder bid on a relatively expensive player (Coady) and no one has left or arrived in that time.

 

[pommpey]

After a few years on here you come to realise that some want to believe and some want to undermine.

When we are winning the non-believers shut up. When there is half a chance they pipe up almost on cue.

Hey Blades. We'll get what the owners give Wilder, no more no less. If anyone in this world can crack the mold it's Wilder. In the meantime let him sort the job out. Has anyone on here or anywhere seen any slightest sign of Wilder not believing in the owners and the club.

No? Neither have I. Prove otherwise by showing me the quotes.

This club is United whether you like it or not.

PRAISE JESUS!

WWF will not provide any rhyme or reason regarding utterances from McCabe about 'investment when we are promoted' readers. Put simply, shutters-up, that's your lot. Forget it. Nothing to see. Move along please.

pommpey

 

[FriethBlade]

If the funds are available for transfers from the sell ons then the board are hardly going to come out and say it in public as that would help to push our transfer fees for players we're bringing in sky high, in short, it would be daft.

As ever, I don't want to hear anything from the board, it's actions that I like to see and we will get to know sooner or later.

Sooner or later ? August 31st you mean.

I'm hoping for a late flurry, we have to sign a centre back with Stearmans injury as one more injury or a suspension and we are screwed defensively. Two goals in four games and Wilders numerous comments about 'putting teams to bed' suggests a centre forward will be arriving too.

 

[WILLIAM H BONNEY]

It is becoming pretty obvious that Wilder knows what he has available,what might be added based on outgoings,and it's pretty obvious he hasn't as yet been able to land several key signings,(Holmes,Leonard and Lenihan). I'm posting this as based on the contributions from posters who are accountancy based the sell on money has already been "spent" and presumably so has much of what we have taken in the sales of Ramsdale and DCL.
Sean can disabuse me if I'm wrong here.
Therefore as it stands any significant incoming,like a potent striker needs to be matched with further outgoing. Freeman has been mentioned and Brooks remains an ace in the hole.
IF this scenario is correct,it makes a mockery of the "significant investment" claims,unless what Wilder has spent so far is considered as such by the board,or maybe as I and others have said,the sea change in what is spent as routine in this league compared to what it was last time we were here is a huge factor.
Wilder has stated he wants several more players. The next couple of weeks will be very interesting. Maybe not season defining,but possibly a good insight into the actual intent and willingness to fund progress by the owners.

Don't expect too much as the game changing money has now gone from the champ to premier league.Just the usual spin and it get's sucked in by some and km and prince are god's to some.brooks won't be here at end of august and then more spin will come out.

 

[robbiez666]

Totally agree, but they are more affordable whilst you bring players through like Brooks. I know others don't agree with my logic on loans, but if you have for example a lads called Sam Graham or Callum Semple and you think they are a couple of years away, for me I would be happy having another loan centre half this season and see where they are next summer. assess it again. Don't just buy centre backs for the sake of it.

This was why I was dead against signing Holmes from Charlton> We already had Duffy (same stats roughly as Holmes last season), Carruthers and Brooks. Now over the summer Brooks has come on and we have saved some money on a position I didn't think was a position we needed to waste money on.

It's a damn sight more sensible than signing players on long-term contracts, not knowing how they'll do or where we'll be.

 

[Lawrence]

Face it, matched with the other significant streams of crap coming out from board level in the past six years, McCabe's 'we'll invest when we are promoted' soundbite was a sop to keep the shiny-eyed evangelists amongst the Blades fanbase sweet, and hopefully keep the cynics quiet.

The only saving grace in all of this is Wilder. I think he will do what he can with what he is left with and that will be fed with 'we are looking at players/fax machine' further bullshit until the trapdoor slams shut in eleven days and we are left wondering what the fuck we are going to do.

It can then go two ways:

1. We 'survive' and Wilder manages to galvanise a Championship side from a team of Div Onners. Hmmm, it's possible, if marginally so. Mind you ... last season.

2. We crash and burn and the calls for Wilder's head become so shrill that McCabe sacks him and his staff, paying off another failed venture, there by ending any real hope we have of remaining I and eventually challenge for future progression to the top flight.

Again, we seemingly have funds available outside of any pledges made from transfer sell-ons (although this remains uncommented on by the club) and have yet to see any real gesture from McCabe et al regarding fulfilling his promise.

So, standby for soundbites, the evangelists getting all increasingly snowflakey and poor old Wilder trying to excuse his lords and masters.

Eleven days to prove me wrong. Clock's ticking.

pompey

Pommpey has some great points, or pointers!

If we crash and burn, and Wilder and his team are made the proverbial scape goat (which I doubt would happen, because the supporters know the CW had done his part of the deal by securing promotion) therefore the owners would have no credibility.
The McCabe - Prince deal could not just have been a weezz to satisfy the supporters! Why give 50% of your shares to the Prince on the understanding that he would substantially fund the big push to the Premiership? So Mcabe must have some sort of a 'cast iron' deal otherwise why let the Prince have half his shares? So the question is why no investmet?
My understanding is that the deal was that the Prince would fund the PUSH forward, in return for the shares, so to be clear, at the time McCabe gave away 50% of his holding for the Price to supply the funds necessary to achieve Mcabe's goal, which is Premership football?
So saying that 'then' Mcabe has also done is part it trying to attain premiership football. That leaves the Prince to make good is promiss!

But if CW's philosophy of not wanting to pay extortionate transfer fees on players Is true then the Princes's money becomes irrelevant.

 

[Darlington82]

I think there could be an issue with the ownership structure. Did the Price spend his quid after Harry had gone? If so I doubt he will be entitled to half of the £4+m. That will be McCabes. He ain't stupid.
Remember McCabe survived the financial/ property crash when many did not. Lucky for him to have a business with lots of assets and cash, yes hard cash is always important when the economy goes to the wall.

I have given up trying to make head nor tail of United's accounts years ago and accept that my 2000 odd shares are worth FA. I am actually quite good at following accounts, but it became so complex, time consuming and there was nothing I can do about it, so I have given up.

Basically none of us know the details of the deal McCabe struck with the Prince and though property is booming again, Oil is not, so even if McCabe wanted to start throwing money about, he is unlikely too if the Prince is a bit short.

Though I do think we will see two or three more players come in (well hoping) I can not see more than about 5m been spent, which would have been the same without the Harry money.

For any other manager this would not be enough, we have to dream that the Bassett magic rubbed off on Chris and he is lucky as well as good. (No pressure Brooks and ched as they are the only ones with the potential to take us to the promised land).

 

[Darlington82]

Kyle money I meant. Time for bed. Also I do not think McCabe has done anything wrong. He has moved his assets around, to survive. As all business do.

 

[dazzlingblade]

Money received - at least £6m
Money spent - £2m at the most

I think we should have been investing roughly £5m this transfer window anyway, assuming no windfalls. Then the sell on money comes in and I would've expected us to invest that straight back in to the team too. So in my view we should have been spending circa £11m on the team this window. £5m net investment.

Currently - taking money spent vs money received, we are running at a profit of roughly £4m.

2m at the most, please explain how you come to this figure, and please factor in transfer fees including the undisclosed ones that you don't have a clue how much they were, and the new players wages too, i'd be amazed if its not closer to 4m. add the money wilder has bid for the other 3 and i'd hazard a guess it totals about 7-8m. so in my view if we signed all 3 we would be running at a 2m loss. but who knows which of us is closest, cos frankly none of us have a fucking clue

 

[Woodwardfan]

PRAISE JESUS!

WWF will not provide any rhyme or reason regarding utterances from McCabe about 'investment when we are promoted' readers. Put simply, shutters-up, that's your lot. Forget it. Nothing to see. Move along please.

pommpey

My question to you and anybody who agrees with you is- rhyme and reason- Wilder is absolutely at. one with the owners- he says so regularly. What we see is how our manager wants to develop the club. He says so regularly and balances burning ambition with sensible pace of progress and development. Talks of other clubs risking their whole futures, fans heritage and employee jobs.

Pompey- there's " rhyme and reason" in what he says. Why not listen and enjoy the ride.

Show us all anything from Wilder to the contrary.

 

[pommpey]

My question to you and anybody who agrees with you is- rhyme and reason- Wilder is absolutely at. one with the owners- he says so regularly. What we see is how our manager wants to develop the club. He says so regularly and balances burning ambition with sensible pace of progress and development. Talks of other clubs risking their whole futures, fans heritage and employee jobs.

Pompey- there's " rhyme and reason" in what he says. Why not listen and enjoy the ride.

Show us all anything from Wilder to the contrary.

Firstly, where's your question?

Secondly, we are not disputing anything about Wilder. It is McCabe, his statements, the requirement for Championship level strengthening in areas we need it, the perceived bonuses from transfer sell ons and the mismatch between what we may need and what has so far arrived which is the debating point here. Note - no criticism of Wilder there ... we all know what he can do, at Div One level with some investment. This is now wholly a different level and he needs much more investment, so where is it?

Please don't try your usual smoke and mirrors trick as soon as people start asking questions about McCabe. You do understand he actually made those statements don't you?

pommpey

 

[Woodwardfan]

Firstly, where's your question?

Secondly, we are not disputing anything about Wilder. It is McCabe, his statements, the requirement for Championship level strengthening in areas we need it, the perceived bonuses from transfer sell ons and the mismatch between what we may need and what has so far arrived which is the debating point here. Note - no criticism of Wilder there ... we all know what he can do, at Div One level with some investment. This is now wholly a different level and he needs much more investment, so where is it?

Please don't try your usual smoke and mirrors trick as soon as people start asking questions about McCabe. You do understand he actually made those statements don't you?

pommpey

 

[Woodwardfan]

Firstly, where's your question?

Secondly, we are not disputing anything about Wilder. It is McCabe, his statements, the requirement for Championship level strengthening in areas we need it, the perceived bonuses from transfer sell ons and the mismatch between what we may need and what has so far arrived which is the debating point here. Note - no criticism of Wilder there ... we all know what he can do, at Div One level with some investment. This is now wholly a different level and he needs much more investment, so where is it?

Please don't try your usual smoke and mirrors trick as soon as people start asking questions about McCabe. You do understand he actually made those statements don't you?

pommpey

Pomps.Sorry, if you cant read the question then you'll never think about an answer.

You dont go to games. You dont appreciate the difference a year makes. Being there last Saturday was a joy as was the first home game.

You are stuck on 'repeat' and have been for years. You are in a time warp and stuck there while we enjoy the ride.

I have reasoned with you so many times in the past.

 

[finlaytheblade]

My question to you and anybody who agrees with you is- rhyme and reason- Wilder is absolutely at. one with the owners- he says so regularly. What we see is how our manager wants to develop the club. He says so regularly and balances burning ambition with sensible pace of progress and development. Talks of other clubs risking their whole futures, fans heritage and employee jobs.

Pompey- there's " rhyme and reason" in what he says. Why not listen and enjoy the ride.

Show us all anything from Wilder to the contrary.

I think these fans are trying to bully the club into spending big Woody !.
As you say the club and Wilder are on the same page,my opinion is ( and wilder too )
Trying to compete with the money bags clubs at this stage would be folly we have a team with lots of ability and plugging the weaknesses we have is paramount to improving the team.Acheave that and this team can do well in this division,no megabucks needed just sensible investment which is what we are doing.
Get behind the lads this team will do us proud with the right strengthening takin g place enjoy the ride.

 

[S60 unitedite]

2m at the most, please explain how you come to this figure, and please factor in transfer fees including the undisclosed ones that you don't have a clue how much they were, and the new players wages too, i'd be amazed if its not closer to 4m. add the money wilder has bid for the other 3 and i'd hazard a guess it totals about 7-8m. so in my view if we signed all 3 we would be running at a 2m loss. but who knows which of us is closest, cos frankly none of us have a fucking clue

Wilder did an interview for the league paper last week and that stated we have spent £2.4m on transfer fees this summer so far.

 

[FriethBlade]

The side that played Saturday was last year's division one team with Stevens added. Wright looked as good if not better than Steadman so by definition we haven't yet strengthened the first 11, is that because Wilder thinks this team is good enough or because he hasnt yet been backed in the transfer market ?

Still time for all this to change but at present it's blatantly obvious that the championship investment either hasn't happened or hasn't been spent.

 

[pommpey]

1. You dont go to games.

2. You are stuck on 'repeat' and have been for years.

My work here is done.

pommpey

 

[Woodwardfan]

I think these fans are trying to bully the club into spending big Woody !.
As you say the club and Wilder are on the same page,my opinion is ( and wilder too )
Trying to compete with the money bags clubs at this stage would be folly we have a team with lots of ability and plugging the weaknesses we have is paramount to improving the team.Acheave that and this team can do well in this division,no megabucks needed just sensible investment which is what we are doing.
Get behind the lads this team will do us proud with the right strengthening takin g place enjoy the ride.

The Blade of the two owners has years of such 'pressure' from such fans and knows he is really well supported personally by the majority. He holds forums and answers any question from the floor. I doubt if such as Pommpey has ever been to a fans forum or written to McCabe or spoken to him face to face. He'd rather just repeat the same thing year in year out. Such 'bullying' is like peeing in the wind frankly.

Right now everything is going well. McCabe has fewer worries than ever since 2007. Pommpey is not on his radar, never has been and McCabe is not on Pommpey's radar really. He'll never ask him the question in a month of Sundays frankly. That question has been answered by McCabe ad nauseum over the years.

The owners are investing big money, say £5m per annum in round figures and the Prince put more than that in the first couple of years. The club has to grow and improve in a controlled manner, not just a couple of punts on 'big players' like Robson did. Been there done that, approx £60m ago.

 

[Silent Blade]

The side that played Saturday was last year's division one team with Stevens added. .

And Blackman

 

[Woodwardfan]

The side that played Saturday was last year's division one team with Stevens added. Wright looked as good if not better than Steadman so by definition we haven't yet strengthened the first 11, is that because Wilder thinks this team is good enough or because he hasnt yet been backed in the transfer market ?

Still time for all this to change but at present it's blatantly obvious that the championship investment either hasn't happened or hasn't been spent.

The owners have stated that significant budget is available now and will be in the JTW next year.

It's all relative of course. Can't / won't compete with parachute payments or clubs that are gambling like S6.

 

[pommpey]

I think these fans are trying to bully the club into spending big Woody !.
As you say the club and Wilder are on the same page,my opinion is ( and wilder too )
Trying to compete with the money bags clubs at this stage would be folly we have a team with lots of ability and plugging the weaknesses we have is paramount to improving the team.Acheave that and this team can do well in this division,no megabucks needed just sensible investment which is what we are doing.
Get behind the lads this team will do us proud with the right strengthening takin g place enjoy the ride.

Again, point missed. Try to pay attention.

McCabe refuses to fulfil pledges when HRH comes on board. It seems the game changing investments were spunked needlessly on his mistakes appointing shit managers and sacking them. We still don't know why Clough went, by the way.

To stave off criticism he either sacks managers and fails to strengthen the team, or makes vague statements about investing big when we are promoted. At the time he made that statement, promotion seemed a fucking long shot, so it was a safe thing to come out with. Seemingly, a lot of people used that statement to cosh the critics. Apparently, he hadn't got the cash to invest but when we were promoted ... oh boy ... would we see some cash pumped into the playing staff. Just wait.

McCabe makes real fuck up and appoints Chris Wilder who actually understands how to play the Div One game and orgainses his Div One team to be champions of, um ... Div One.

So, with three bells showing on the machine, all fans are expecting the pleasing sound of it shitting cash and to make things better, we seem to have got three holds up with transfer bonusses.

I'm not critical of Wilder. He's a sound manager and right for the club. But if we don't have the coconuts out there on the Dess ... sorry ... pitch ... and are found wanting, have a guess what prized asset will be first to go? Gwan, guess.

We still need money spent on the defence, need cover for midfield and I'm sorry, the front end isn't fast enough to put opposition defences on their heels at this level.

I'm not wanting promotion, here, just reinforcement, consolidtaion at Championship level and statements of intent.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

The owners have stated that significant budget is available now and will be in the JTW next year.

What is it then? 'Available now' ... well spend it then and don't let us be found wanting between September and January, or JTW, 'why' is my question? Why not 'now'?

Who is stuck on repeat here, WWF. And while we are on that subject, you say I have been stuck on repeat for years. Would that be since 2008?

pommpey

 

[Woodwardfan]

Again, point missed. Try to pay attention.

McCabe refuses to fulfil pledges when HRH comes on board. It seems the game changing investments were spunked needlessly on his mistakes appointing shit managers and sacking them. We still don't know why Clough went, by the way.

To stave off criticism he either sacks managers and fails to strengthen the team, or makes vague statements about investing big when we are promoted. At the time he made that statement, promotion seemed a fucking long shot, so it was a safe thing to come out with. Seemingly, a lot of people used that statement to cosh the critics. Apparently, he hadn't got the cash to invest but when we were promoted ... oh boy ... would we see some cash pumped into the playing staff. Just wait.

McCabe makes real fuck up and appoints Chris Wilder who actually understands how to play the Div One game and orgainses his Div One team to be champions of, um ... Div One.

So, with three bells showing on the machine, all fans are expecting the pleasing sound of it shitting cash and to make things better, we seem to have got three holds up with transfer bonusses.

I'm not critical of Wilder. He's a sound manager and right for the club. But if we don't have the coconuts out there on the Dess ... sorry ... pitch ... and are found wanting, have a guess what prized asset will be first to go? Gwan, guess.

We still need money spent on the defence, need cover for midfield and I'm sorry, the front end isn't fast enough to put opposition defences on their heels.

I'm not wanting promotion, here, just reinforcement, consolidtaion at Championship level and statements of intent.

pommpey

My guess is 3 more new players in this Window.

My opinion is that we don't need them to fulfill your wishes of consolidation in this division.

 

[pommpey]

My guess is 3 new players in this Window.

My guess is 'that's your lot'. See what you can do with that Chris and if I haven't sacked you by Xmas and the shit isn't flying too much, you can have a few Barry Oddnobs in the JTW at an undisclosed.

My opinion is that we don't need them to fulfill your wishes of consolidation in this division.

Hang on. Whose wishes? Is it not yours to consolidate in this division? What about everyone else?

pommpey