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[SwissBlade]

most of the doubt was whether or not Ched could regain a good level of match fitness
I think we can see that can be erased from the minus column

It's still too early as although he looks great he's still far away from where he needs to be.

I'm still saying that we will start to see the best of him from around October.

But yes, coaching and fitness wise, along with Ched himself have worked hard and will continue to...

 

[DronnieBlade]

Well you need to speak to the manager then because he slated his strikers for missing chances and brought in Hanson and we never looked back

Also if you're saying Hanson is a terrible footballer then the manager is a terrible judge of a footballer as he signed him and played him

Or maybe you're just talking shit

James Hanson. The answer to all our prayers.

Who has scored 1 goal in about 18 games and we have never looked back since !

Tuck your chin under sunshine !

And yes, I am perfectly happy to go on record, as previous, to state the manager has this wrong. As have you.

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[Fanny magnet]

James Hanson. The answer to all our prayers.

Who has scored 1 goal in about 18 games and we have never looked back since !

Tuck your chin under sunshine !

And yes, I am perfectly happy to go on record, as previous, to state the manager has this wrong. As have you.

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You can go on record as much as you like but the facts state that wilder was unhappy with his centre forwards before the Scunthorpe game and in order to stop our season from coming off the rails he brought in Hanson

Either he was wrong or you are ?

 

[DronnieBlade]

You can go on record as much as you like but the facts state that wilder was unhappy with his centre forwards before the Scunthorpe game and in order to stop our season from coming off the rails he brought in Hanson

Either he was wrong or you are ?

The single most oversimplified response on record.

Wilder WANTED Gregory. Fact. He settled for Hanson. Which was, is and will continue to be a mistake.

Even the great CW don't get em all right !

If it makes you happier, Hanson did what he was brought in to do, and is now 5th or 6th choice.

Exit visas imminent !

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[Fanny magnet]

If it makes you happier, Hanson did what he was brought in to do, and is now 5th or 6th choice.

It does ,it proves my point ,ends the argument .that makes me happy

 

[blade too long]

Hanson offers a different option
A blunt instrument ,we will come across some heavy duty defenders this season that some of our less girthy strikers wont make an impression
I refer you to past signing Wayne Allison and Billy Whitehirst . theres times we will need a hammer to crack a nut
Im pretty sure CW didnt sign Hanson for his pace or silky ball skills
sometimes you need a complete thug to win a game

 

[DronnieBlade]

Hanson offers a different option
A blunt instrument ,we will come across some heavy duty defenders this season that some of our less girthy strikers wont make an impression
I refer you to signing Wayne Allison and Billy Whitehirst . theres times we will need a hammer to crack a nut

Hammers don't crack nuts.

They smash them in to oblivion, usually resulting in either yellow or red cards, and most definitely needless fouls given away that relieve pressure on an opponents defence and turnover possession.

You speak of a bygone time when CFs smashed keepers into the back of the net. You can't breath on one these days without giving a foul away. That's the point.

Blunt instruments are about as useful in the modern game as a chocolate fireguard.

Times have changed and moved on. Seems many a Blades fan has, er, not !

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[blade too long]

Hammers don't crack nuts.

They smash them in to oblivion, usually resulting in either yellow or red cards, and most definitely needless fouls given away that relieve pressure on an opponents defence and turnover possession.

You speak of a bygone time when CFs smashed keepers into the back of the net. You can't breath on one these days without giving a foul away. That's the point.

Blunt instruments are about as useful in the modern game as a chocolate fireguard.

Times have changed and moved on. Seems many a Blades fan has, er, not !

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yes theres no big cumbersome players in football

just explain to me how Bolton got promoted again

never seen this lad then

 

[DronnieBlade]

yes theres no big cumbersome players in football

just explain to me how Bolton got promoted again

Zlatans a big powerful unit.

Costa is a big powerful unit.

There are dozens of others.

I'm all for big strong powerful players. But cumbersome (your word not mine) ?

Cumbersome can go to jail, directly to jail, no £200 !!

I'm obviously asking way too much here.

And on the Bolton thing, were they an exception rather than a rule ?

How did UTD get promoted ?

Burton ?

Big long list of clubs that have succeeded without "cumbersome" types ??

The inconvenient truth is that this "cumbersome" type you speak of, is categorically not an essential ingredient anymore. Contrary to popular belief in the bowels of S2 !!!!

It just isn't.

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[BushBlade]

Cumbersome as fuck.

 

[Th!stledo]

James Hanson. The answer to all our prayers.

Who has scored 1 goal in about 18 games and we have never looked back since !

Tuck your chin under sunshine !

And yes, I am perfectly happy to go on record, as previous, to state the manager has this wrong. As have you.

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I agree that Hanson is not the answer to all our prayers. But he offers an option in certain situations that is not only a benefit to us but also the fact he is in the squad would affect how other teams play against us.

 

[blade too long]

Zlatans a big powerful unit.

Costa is a big powerful unit.

There are dozens of others.

I'm all for big strong powerful players. But cumbersome (your word not mine) ?

Cumbersome can go to jail, directly to jail, no £200 !!

I'm obviously asking way too much here.

And on the Bolton thing, were they an exception rather than a rule ?

How did UTD get promoted ?

Burton ?

Big long list of clubs that have succeeded without "cumbersome" types ??

The inconvenient truth is that this "cumbersome" type you speak of, is categorically not an essential ingredient anymore. Contrary to popular belief in the bowels of S2 !!!!

It just isn't.

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horses for courses , saying theres no place for an old fashioned centre forward is crazy
they keep cropping up with alarming regularity
theres still big clunky centre halves , so theres a need for a big clunky centre forward occasionally
might only get 4 or 5 games but might just be needed, its like a life jacket on a plane , if you crash on a mountain its useless , but might just hit a lake

 

[DronnieBlade]

I agree that Hanson is not the answer to all our prayers. But he offers an option in certain situations that is not only a benefit to us but also the fact he is in the squad would affect how other teams play against us.

In the last 5 minutes of games when we throw all our footballing principles out the window, go hell for leather upanatem geeritforrard gerritinbox gung ho Kamikaze crazy direct and rely on something deflecting in off someone's arse, maybe

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[DronnieBlade]

horses for courses , saying theres no place for an old fashioned centre forward is crazy
they keep cropping up with alarming regularity
theres still big clunky centre halves , so theres a need for a big clunky centre forward occasionally
might only get 4 or 5 games but might just be needed, its like a life jacket on a plane , if you crash on a mountain its useless , but might just hit a lake

So you hire a guy for a 50+ game season because you believe he might contribute for a handful of games off the bench ??

Wowza !

Bizarre signing.

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[blade too long]

So you hire a guy for a 50+ game season because you believe he might contribute for a handful of games ff the bench ??

Wowza !

Bizarre signing.

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of course , why do you think chelsea have a squad of 43
21 on loan
cover all bases

there will be games where Sharp and Clarke will get bullied out of the game
surely you see the need to bully them right back

this is not a pretty game at times
Montgomery was an out and out thug , but essential
if you need that in midfield , we will need it up front occasionally

some clubs do use thuggery as part of their game , at times you have to match it

hence the term professional

 

[DronnieBlade]

They are allowed 25. Bizarre analogy btw.

Try harder.

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[DronnieBlade]

of course , why do you think chelsea have a squad of 43
21 on loan
cover all bases

there will be games where Sharp and Clarke will get bullied out of the game
surely you see the need to bully them right back

Clarke and Sharp can look after themselves. As can Evans.

I swear a section of our fans would love it if our CF chinned the oppos CB to prove how "ard" they really are.

That would really prove a point and stop the "bullying" !!

Only in S2 !!!!!!!

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[blade too long]

Clarke and Sharp can look after themselves. As can Evans.

I swear a section of our fans would love it if our CF chinned the oppos CB to prove how "ard" they really are.

That would really prove a point and stop the "bullying" !!

Only in S2 !!!!!!!

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much as id love football to be all about artistry and finesse , it would be naive in the extreme to face a season in pro football with no muscle

we probably need harder players when we get to the prem as they are no shrinking violets

 

[DronnieBlade]

horses for courses , saying theres no place for an old fashioned centre forward is crazy
they keep cropping up with alarming regularity
theres still big clunky centre halves , so theres a need for a big clunky centre forward occasionally
might only get 4 or 5 games but might just be needed, its like a life jacket on a plane , if you crash on a mountain its useless , but might just hit a lake

Let me tell you something you already know.

Big clunky CBs love to play against big clunky CFs. It's meat and drink for them. They know exactly what's coming, what to expect as it's staring them square on. No shocks or surprises.

What scares the shit out of them is quick, mobile, skilful, unpredictable types where they haven't the faintest idea what's coming next.

Now even that can't be too difficult to take on board. Surely ??

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[blade too long]

Let me tell you something you already know.

Big clunky CBs love to play against big clunky CFs. It's meat and drink for them. They know exactly what's coming, what to expect as it's staring them square on. No shocks or surprises.

What scares the shit out of them is quick, mobile, skilful, unpredictable types where they haven't the faintest idea what's coming next.

Now even that can't be too difficult to take on board. Surely ??

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over simplifying it there a bit , not all mobile forwards scare them
take wednesday for instance , several multi million pound forwards up against huddersfields no nonsense cb s , no impression at all

only scored one in a very hanson type way

 

[blade too long]

plus 10m players struggle against big defenders and have to keep moving on

http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/spo...ionship-jordan-rhodes-linked-aston-306798.amp

 

[Willie Carlin]

Did he finally admit, and was honest enough to say he has got this whole Hanson thing badly wrong ?

Whoefully inadequate once again. It's now gone beyond not being a positive influence on the side. His very presence on the field is in fact detrimental. When he is directly involved in play, our offensive build up play breaks down around 80%-90% of the time.

And I'll now go on record, having now seen more than enough to make the call, to say Lavery won't cut the mustard for us either.

All others more than adequate.
Slight ? On Lundstrum.
Duffy MOM.
Please for Ched.

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I'll go as far as to say it will be a long time before Hanson gets another game for United. He was very poor up to going off. Wish I'd have took my boots.

 

[blade too long]

I'll go as far as to say it will be a long time before Hanson gets another game for United. He was very poor up to going off. Wish I'd have took my boots.

to be fair seen a lot of forwards have shockers in league cup round 1 games

has no one been to any in the past decade
seen innumerable non performances from far more talented players

tell me which forward shone when we lost to burton for example
to say weve never seen such a bad performance would really be a big fat lie

 

[Norderner]

Let me tell you something you already know.

Big clunky CBs love to play against big clunky CFs. It's meat and drink for them. They know exactly what's coming, what to expect as it's staring them square on. No shocks or surprises.

What scares the shit out of them is quick, mobile, skilful, unpredictable types where they haven't the faintest idea what's coming next.

Now even that can't be too difficult to take on board. Surely ??

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Think John Terry might disagree with you there, young man?

 

[wizadry]

People judging players in a league cup first round game, playing with players they've hardly played in a professional game with, are absolutely plain and utter fucking stupid.

 

[Bladezz]

We made the signing last season to help us get promoted. It worked.

We are carrying players in the championship that are league one standard. This is always the case and we will rotate them out and get new ones in. But this takes time, can take a transfer window or 2 to really get some moved on.

I can imagine this time next season, Lavery, Hanson (one of Duffy or Carruthers), Brayford, Wilson, Hussey will be gone and we will be looking to improve on them. It's just the cycle of promotion wining teams.

 

[DronnieBlade]

People judging players in a league cup first round game, playing with players they've hardly played in a professional game with, are absolutely plain and utter fucking stupid.

We made the signing last season to help us get promoted. It worked.

We are carrying players in the championship that are league one standard. This is always the case and we will rotate them out and get new ones in. But this takes time, can take a transfer window or 2 to really get some moved on.

I can imagine this time next season, Lavery, Hanson (one of Duffy or Carruthers), Brayford, Wilson, Hussey will be gone and we will be looking to improve on them. It's just the cycle of promotion wining teams.

We signed Hanson when we were top of the league. Contrary to popular belief, we were not struggling. We were taking a wee break from Tuftys tough regime !

We were the best team in the league at this point. By end April we were, by some distance, the best side.

Our promotion was highly probable in January and all but guaranteed 2 months later.

It's an utterly bizarre signing if it's believed Coop boy can influence positively our up coming campaign.

If he is moved on ahead of this window, unlikely now given injuries, than it changes from being bizarre to an error of judgement, quickly rectified.

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[Dnblade]

Wasn't there last night...listened to commentary..Watching it back,looks like CW changed it to 442 2nd half when Ched came on and JB to Right Back.

The young lad Bennett looked decent while he was on...Good to see Ched making an impression,wonder if he'll have earned a place on the bench for Saturday.

 

[Sheffsteel]

We signed Hanson when we were top of the league. Contrary to popular belief, we were not struggling. We were taking a wee break from Tuftys tough regime !

We were the best team in the league at this point. By end April we were, by some distance, the best side.

Our promotion was highly probable in January and all but guaranteed 2 months later.

It's an utterly bizarre signing if it's believed Coop boy can influence positively our up coming campaign.

If he is moved on ahead of this window, unlikely now given injuries, than it changes from being bizarre to an error of judgement, quickly rectified.

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We struggled to break down a 9 man Shrewsbury who parked the bus
We then struggled to break down a 9 man Bury who parked the bus
Fleetwood sat back and defended in numbers and we could have played them all night and not scored.

We tried playing through their defence but they wouldn't come out, so there was no space behind.
We had loads of corners and crosses against Fleetwood but they had 2 giant centre halfs that made mince meat of Sharp and Clarke.
We dominated against Fleetwood but they fully deserved their 2-0 win in the night.

At that point I realised if teams sit back restricting space then we would struggle.

For the last 5 minutes of games Wilder had this bizarre tactic of telling EEL to stand on the opposition centre spot and amazingly that added physicality up front was causing opposition teams to panic.

If we had Hanson playing up front against Fleetwood I've no doubts we'd have won.

As Brentford found out to their cost on Saturday, football isn't purely about ability.
If it was they'd have won, they gave us a culture shock because they had more technical ability than us
But we have other attributes that helped us win, like bottle, desire, character, more direct style.

Agree he's limited ability wise and not up to Championship standard but as I've already mentioned before it's like a good DIY man might keep a sledge hammer in his DIY toolbox. It's quite rare you'd ever want to use a sledge hammer for anything but when the opportunity arises it's such a fantastic tool to have. Hanson is that sledgehammer.

Ideally you'd want a sledgehammer (target man) type with more ability and I'm sure we'll get an upgrade at some point.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Wasn't there last night...listened to commentary..Watching it back,looks like CW changed it to 442 2nd half when Ched came on and JB to Right Back.

The young lad Bennett looked decent while he was on...Good to see Ched making an impression,wonder if he'll have earned a place on the bench for Saturday.

No I think we kept the same 3-5-2.

When Basham came on for Bennett.
Basham replaced Bradford playing to the right of the 3 centre backs
And Bradford moved over from centre back to Bennett position as right attacking wing back.
In my view Brayford looked better playing as right wing back instead of centre half.

Ched was impressive, didn't do a right lot but showed he still has it because he changed the game. In normal circumstances he deserves to be on the subs bench but I'm not an expert on fitness and potential injuries etc. We don't want to rush him back, he starts well like he did at Chesterfield, then ends up with niggly injuries most of the season.