CONFIRMED Ched Evans officially signs for SUFC

[Snowman]

Form is temporary, class is permanent, Ched was class when he last played for us,if anyone can get Ched back to form ,it's CW.
He'll feel at home again,and more comfortable, I think he might surprise a lot of us .....

Class maybe the wank Evans we witnessed "playing" for us in the Championship. The temporary form could have been his one good season. I tend to the view that he found his level or "class" in league one where he could use one of his two attributes being, at that time, blistering pace off the shoulder of slow league one centre backs. It's a different ball game in the Championship.

Also I remember slagging him off the season we went down as a waste of money and I recollect my view of him was that when things didn't go his way his head went down and he went missing. There are echoes of that attitude from Chezzy fans reports.

Still, look on the bright side. Evans once again divides united fans opinion, but this time just for footballing reasons.

 

[Groucho Blade]

Chedspeak for beginners

If we're doing well and Ched isn't playing - think how much better we'd be with Ched in the team

If we're doing well and Ched is in the team - it's all because of Ched

If we're not doing well and Ched is in the team - we're not playing to his strengths

If we're not doing well and Ched isn't in the team - it's because Ched isn't playing.

It's all about Ched, y'see.

 

[I should coco]

Stupid sympathy signing by McCabe.

Essentially we're signing a striker because he had a 5 month purple patch 6 years ago when he got Lee Bowyer syndrome.

It was 5 years ago, he was sent down in April 2012. Get your facts right before you go into 'rant mode'.

And if anyone thinks that some bloke who's barely kicked a ball for 6 years and has spent most of the season injured is suddenly going to rock up like the messiah and bang in goals in a division where he'd not done before... then they're living in La La land

He scored 13 goals in 69 Championship games for us (19%) under Blackwell, but 10 in 20 starts at Norwich (50%).

Another bloke called Billy Sharp managed just 8 in 50 games (16%) under Blackwell.

Do you notice any common link there?

This is a McCabe sympathy signing all day long

You know that as a 'FACT' do you?

Personally I think this is a gamble not worth taking. There are better options out there.

Fine. You are perfectly entitled to your opinion, but please don't make stuff up.

He was our most expensive signing ever and supposed to fire us to the Premier League, instead he misfired us to the League One abyss

Beattie was our most expensive signing at £4m.

FFS, Is Ched solely to blame for relegation now?

 

[Northyorksblade]

Yes welcome back to a low life, I hope people will still remember what he did What a scumbag. I am hoping it does not work out for him. It's a punt for the Blades and like most relationships it hardly works out when You try to get that magic back a second time.

Done to death I know, but, most people agree that what he did was wrong, while in a relationship and unsavoury even if he hadn't been BUT am I wrong in thinking that Billy was also unfaithful to his partner/wife not so long ago? As have millions of husbands and wives over the years. That is a matter for the couple involved to sort out between themselves.
Billy got the magic back at the third time of trying so it can happen.

 

[Not_a_Cheat]

Totally agree. However that wasn't the crux of what we were debating. We were talking about who was the better player in 2011 to 2012 season, not who's done what since.

Of course, the who's done what since point is very relevant to whether you or I think we should have signed Ched or not today, that's not in doubt.

100k v 10 million. Seems a gamble worth taking to me

 

[PeteBlade]

I find it extremely strange, that many United fans were more than happy to call him a rapist, on the basis of a Jury's opinion.

However, since that decision has been adjudged unsafe, he has subsequently been retried and found not guilty, by 'exactly' the same means, many of those same people seem uncomfortable to acknowledge his innocence?

It appears to me, that many took the opportunity to condemn his actions in order to promote to us all, their own exceptionally high moral values and social conscience . Yet conversely, to welcome him back to the club, as an innocent man, is somehow beyond them and a betrayal of everything they stand for?

As he's been found not guilty, that's done for me now and not an issue- he's not guilty.

This being said, when he was found guilty by a jury of his peers, did everyone just keep quiet and accept that he was a guilty man?

It works both ways.

 

[Sean Thornton]

So to summarise McCabe has a very strained relationship with Ched and foisted him on Wilder who both does and doesn't want him. Despite being held to ransom by Evans this is an act of sympathy by Kev who has been threatened legally and this is the only way he can settle things. Evans is on anything between 3s6d - 10 grand a week plus appearance fees and goal targets or not. He will be either firing us straight to the PL or loaned out to a L2 team because he's dogshit. The fanbase is fully United in believing he's just been a bit of a daft lad or is morally destitute and should be put in stocks and pelted with pizza.

As yet, no one has sent their season ticket back although there's a rumour that the sponsor of the stick that holds up the Kop/ John Street corner flag is thinking about pulling out.

Have I missed anything?

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Evans once again divides united fans opinion, but this time just for footballing reasons.

.....and if that is the ONLY divide, then he should be given a chance to prove the doubters......wrong.

I see loads speculating on whether he is good enough - until he's kicked a ball in the Championship, then no one knows if this gamble will pay off.

UTB

 

[Sheffsteel]

So to summarise McCabe has a very strained relationship with Ched and foisted him on Wilder who both does and doesn't want him. Despite being held to ransom by Evans this is an act of sympathy by Kev who has been threatened legally and this is the only way he can settle things. Evans is on anything between 3s6d - 10 grand a week plus appearance fees and goal targets or not. He will be either firing us straight to the PL or loaned out to a L2 team because he's dogshit. The fanbase is fully United in believing he's just been a bit of a daft lad or is morally destitute and should be put in stocks and pelted with pizza.

As yet, no one has sent their season ticket back although there's a rumour that the sponsor of the stick that holds up the Kop/ John Street corner flag is thinking about pulling out.

Have I missed anything?

Summarised it in a nutshell.
Virtually every opinion has decent supporting evidence to call it a great signing or a poor signing.
We'll just have to wait and see eh?

 

[The Crab]

Isn't every fee an undisclosed fee these days?

Maybe not all, but most. If it is disclosed it's often phrased "in a deal worth". So many add ons etc.

 

[Balham]

But it was yourself who originally quoted an incorrect stat to help with you putting across your point which you seemed very adamant on. I merely stated that the stat was incorrect and that Cheds statistics were actually better than Rhodes stats that season.

Even if we applied the goals / assists per minute stat as Champers mentioned, then again Cheds stats would be more impressive.

I would wager that Cheds goals in that season counted towards more points being won for his team than Rhodes goals did. I know it means more to me if a goalscorer scores his goal when the game is locked at 1-1 to get the winner instead of knocking a couple in when my team is already 3 nil up.

It's clear that JR scored more goals than Ched did that season. That is beyond doubt and a fact. It's also a fact that Cheds stats are more impressive when scrutinised further. Put simply, imo Ched was a far better player in that season than Rhodes.

All water under the bridge though now of course but it does beg the question of what could Cheds career have been like but for a very silly mistake made.

I do wish Ched all the best now though (for obvious Utd supporting reasons mainly!) and hope he take's his second chance. He's probably a totally different person now that he is a family man, to the young idiot that he was.

That got me thinking.

Working on the premise that the goal which secures a win is worth 2 points, the goals that secure a draw are worth 1 point and goals which secure a win where otherwise the team would have lost are worth 3 points (ie scoring both in a 2-1 win)...the answer is:

Rhodes: +27 points from 40 games (0.675 ppg)
Evans: +24 points from 36 games (0.667 ppg)

They're too close to call. Rhodes tended to score in bursts as noted above but those bursts were often the only goals Huddersfield scored in those games.
Evans


Rhodes:

 

[Sean Thornton]

.....and if that is the ONLY divide, then he should be given a chance to prove the doubters......wrong.

I see loads speculating on whether he is good enough - until he's kicked a ball in the Championship, then no one knows if this gamble will pay off.

UTB

There are a few almost guaranteeing it.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Is Alan Biggs the most boring journalist on the planet ,more life in an old bogey on the radiator.

He is pretty boring BUT, I’d take that any day over the self-righteous, sensationalised crap you get from some other journos. Tends to come across as level-headed and something of a voice of reason amongst a lot of crap that gets spouted at times.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Already said i against not because im a any sort of feminsist he is more than welcome to play his football at any club & would have my full support. But not utd Mainly because he surfaces some memories of a horrible time for me. also as with statements hes hypocriteal& because of what he left behind in 2014 because of his actions utd fans who had done nothing wrong were guilty by assiocation through how the media hounding/scrinity portrayed us & no magic wand to make how i felt at that time feel better. But im going to keep to footballing matters because i dont ill just starting ranting & lets be honest their nothing that hasnt already been said in the last 3 years.

I dont see where he fits in our team. As he battling clarke hanson & lavery for a 2nd spot along billy. To be honest he behind them all in pecking order as all 3 have impressed when they have played in recent months espically clarke who last 6 weeks has almost outshone billy sharp. Some brilliantly taken goals v bradford & mk dons

And possibly the best of the bunch at Port Vale….


It’s a shame that so many people seem to see ‘feminist’ as a dirty word. Really, we should all be feminist this is just someone who advocates equal rights for women. The problem is, people like Jean Hatchet (Neo or ‘radical’ feminists) skew people’s perception of what it’s really about. A little like how Isis skew some people’s perception of Islam. Negative connotations develop around a term like ‘feminist’ because of the actions of individual twats. Unfortunately, that also brings out a moronic, misogynistic element of our support all over social media. The result is that “feminists” and “blades” are perceived as being at the opposite end of some sort of spectrum when the reality is very different.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

There are a few almost guaranteeing it.

True.

The fella says he wants to play for Wales again - he will only achieve that by being successful for United as he is now 28.

My feeling is he will try very hard to succeed and if he does, then that can only benefit United along the way.

UTB

 

[Champagneblade]

If we're extending this to all goals rather than just league goals as you appear to have done, soccerbase has him down for 40 for the season – which notches the goal rate back in Rhodes's favour. Do you have an equivalent comparison for his 36 league goals to Evans's 29?

Hi, LoughboroBlade, transfermarkt has him scoring twice vs Orient and Soccerbase has him with 3. I'm inclined to go with soccerbase as I checked the match details. However he did play an international game that year against Cyprus and failed to score, so there's additional minutes and no goal. Even without those he still rounds up to 95. Ched's assisting shoes he was a much more rounded player as well as finisher. Long time ago now and I'm Not point scoring by any means, but thought interesting to put out there.

 

[Harrisblade]

So to summarise McCabe has a very strained relationship with Ched and foisted him on Wilder who both does and doesn't want him. Despite being held to ransom by Evans this is an act of sympathy by Kev who has been threatened legally and this is the only way he can settle things. Evans is on anything between 3s6d - 10 grand a week plus appearance fees and goal targets or not. He will be either firing us straight to the PL or loaned out to a L2 team because he's dogshit. The fanbase is fully United in believing he's just been a bit of a daft lad or is morally destitute and should be put in stocks and pelted with pizza.

As yet, no one has sent their season ticket back although there's a rumour that the sponsor of the stick that holds up the Kop/ John Street corner flag is thinking about pulling out.

Have I missed anything?

A petition?

 

[BushBlade]

Summarised it in a nutshell.
Virtually every opinion has decent supporting evidence to call it a great signing or a poor signing.
We'll just have to wait and see eh?

No, every opinion lacks real supporting evidence and is pure speculation, hence the absolute lack of consensus.

 

[1889]

It was 5 years ago, he was sent down in April 2012. Get your facts right before you go into 'rant mode'.



He scored 13 goals in 69 Championship games for us (19%) under Blackwell, but 10 in 20 starts at Norwich (50%).

Another bloke called Billy Sharp managed just 8 in 50 games (16%) under Blackwell.

Do you notice any common link there?



You know that as a 'FACT' do you?



Fine. You are perfectly entitled to your opinion, but please don't make stuff up.

Give him a break, if he didn't make stuff up he'd have fuck all to say

 

[Tezza1889]

I'm chuffed to bits....

The reaction of the porkys at a time when they should be celebrating the play offs has made this worth it on its own...

You know it'll be fine, and those observant amongst us saw what wilder thought when asked after the Chezzy game about Evans ...

he'll have to work for a shirt, he'll have to produce, he'll have to fit in... If wilder didn't want him, he wouldn't be here, and that is more than enough for me.... brilliant news..

Post 200... do I win £5 ?

 

[PokerBlade]

Class maybe the wank Evans we witnessed "playing" for us in the Championship. The temporary form could have been his one good season. I tend to the view that he found his level or "class" in league one where he could use one of his two attributes being, at that time, blistering pace off the shoulder of slow league one centre backs. It's a different ball game in the Championship.

Also I remember slagging him off the season we went down as a waste of money and I recollect my view of him was that when things didn't go his way his head went down and he went missing. There are echoes of that attitude from Chezzy fans reports.

Still, look on the bright side. Evans once again divides united fans opinion, but this time just for footballing reasons.

But we did bring him in for a big fee because of his potential. Didn't do well but then look at some of the footballers we've made to look poor in the past (Leon Britton always stands out in my memory). We didn't exactly create chances for strikers. Easier to imagine him playing ahead of Fleck and getting chances to use his insane shot power.

No doubt Evans is a gamble. If Sunjihi's figures are in the right region then he's a very good gamble even if he comes to nothing.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

As he's been found not guilty, that's done for me now and not an issue- he's not guilty.

This being said, when he was found guilty by a jury of his peers, did everyone just keep quiet and accept that he was a guilty man?

It works both ways.

No they didn’t but they were regularly told to shut up about it and accept the verdict and ridiculed for having their doubts over it whilst being labelled ‘rape apologists by some’. For many people, their views are entrenched and they’ve gone from slagging off the Court’s decision to insisting that people accept the new Court’s decision or vice versa depending on which side they fall on.

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

Said before, given baggage and lack of goals at Championship level, I'd have probably looked elsewhere. BUT no problem whatsoever with Ched joining - maybe under a better footballing manager like Wilder, he will thrive. If he doesnt, cost-wise it's no big loss (as I would imagine the £500K is based on us winning the Champions League or something), and the wages are lowish, which is obvious as he was never in a position to command big money.

 

[PeteBlade]

No they didn’t but they were regularly told to shut up about it and accept the verdict and ridiculed for having their doubts over it whilst being labelled ‘rape apologists by some’. For many people, their views are entrenched and they’ve gone from slagging off the Court’s decision to insisting that people accept the new Court’s decision or vice versa depending on which side they fall on.

We could go round in circles all day long but the same people who refused to accept the decision of the court are now having a go
at people not accepting the decision of the court.

 

[Snowman]

.....and if that is the ONLY divide, then he should be given a chance to prove the doubters......wrong.

I see loads speculating on whether he is good enough - until he's kicked a ball in the Championship, then no one knows if this gamble will pay off.

UTB

Indeed. Agreed. Let the games commence. I appreciate that there is a great deal of difference between the "he's back he's the saviour" camp and where I come from being the "on all present evidence I don't get it" camp. But none of us knows. From my perspective, if it works out and he lasts a season and scores in excess of 12 I will personally create and worship at the "Church of Wilder Walking on Water".

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Class maybe the wank Evans we witnessed "playing" for us in the Championship. The temporary form could have been his one good season. I tend to the view that he found his level or "class" in league one where he could use one of his two attributes being, at that time, blistering pace off the shoulder of slow league one centre backs. It's a different ball game in the Championship.

Also I remember slagging him off the season we went down as a waste of money and I recollect my view of him was that when things didn't go his way his head went down and he went missing. There are echoes of that attitude from Chezzy fans reports.

Still, look on the bright side. Evans once again divides united fans opinion, but this time just for footballing reasons.

Cheds had two kicks up the arse.

1] football wise dropping to the third division made him get his finger out.

2] personnel life he will be a better man having gone through what his has.

Going to be a reight signing.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Cheds had two kicks up the arse.

1] football wise dropping to the third division made him get his finger out.

2] personnel life he will be a better man having gone through what his has.

Going to be a reight signing.

Weren't both of those motivating factors at play last season?

 

[Gavlar]

Weren't both of those motivating factors at play last season?

Third kick up the arse, he has re-signed for the blades.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

But we did bring him in for a big fee because of his potential. Didn't do well but then look at some of the footballers we've made to look poor in the past (Leon Britton always stands out in my memory). We didn't exactly create chances for strikers. Easier to imagine him playing ahead of Fleck and getting chances to use his insane shot power.

No doubt Evans is a gamble. If Sunjihi's figures are in the right region then he's a very good gamble even if he comes to nothing.

For a Yorkshireman who people think is paying over the odds McCabe doesn't half look relaxed about having his leg up to me.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Weren't both of those motivating factors at play last season?

Last season Allen wouldn't pay appearance money once his interest in Chesterfield had waned.