John Ashdown's View

[Alfreton14Blade]

You don't know,but it's not going to stop you peddling the promises,contracts line is it,even though you have no idea

Fred, maybe you're more trusting than I am? Or maybe you believe what you want to believe for your own partial reasons?

We're all of us making assumptions here though.

All I'm saying is that I've got similar concerns to those of the respected Guardian journalist...

 

[Snowman]

It's a mystery.

 

[Smirth]

It's quite clear what he is getting at really. It seems ever since Ched was (wrongfully) convicted, the club have been adamant about signing him back, regardless of manager or squad. Why? I've absolutely no idea but it's been blindingly obvious that is the case.

I'm against it but resigned to it happening. I'd rather get it out of the way now, have him play, make everyone realise that he's no longer fit enough or good enough, particularly for the Championship and then sack him off once and for all. At least this way everyone will finally get over it.

 

[BushBlade]

There's plenty of these 'potential' signings for much less, who aren't 28 years old and have more time to develop that potential. So why this signing?

For £150k? This isn't a kid with nice feet who might be decent when he grows up, it's a player who scored around 1 in 2 for Norwich in the championship and thirty five for us in L1. In the short spell against us for Chesterfield he showed he's still got the ability, the only question is over his fitness. It's a different kind of risk and one we can partially mitigate by giving him a thorough medical, looking at his records and taking some specialist advice.

I still don't understand what is being hinted at. That KM would chuck a load of money away to prove a point? And the Prince and Wilder would just go along with it?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

For £150k? This isn't a kid with nice feet who might be decent when he grows up, it's a player who scored around 1 in 2 for Norwich in the championship and thirty five for us in L1. In the short spell against us for Chesterfield he showed he's still got the ability, the only question is over his fitness. It's a different kind of risk and one we can partially mitigate by giving him a thorough medical, looking at his records and taking some specialist advice.

I still don't understand what is being hinted at. That KM would chuck a load of money away to prove a point? And the Prince and Wilder would just go along with it?

Where has £150k come from? It was £500k yesterday so I'm genuinely interested.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

No, I don't think it does Alfie.
I think it's a shrewd bit of business.
Billy scored less in this season than Evans did in 'that season' with 6 or 7 less games played.
Billy is another year older now and at 32? he might find the going tougher than his previous stints in the Champ.
Evans is younger, an International striker (admittedly only for Wales!) and has, based on his last time in this division, shown he's at least a match for our Billy.
Why wouldn't he be another of those that CW gets the very best from?
I really do think it smacks more of 'Wilder hoping to turn him into a more than adequate replacement for the Billy' rather than settling a score. I can't even think who wants to settle the score, or even what the score to be settled is!

Have a like, as I've said - its bollocks.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

For £150k? This isn't a kid with nice feet who might be decent when he grows up, it's a player who scored around 1 in 2 for Norwich in the championship and thirty five for us in L1. In the short spell against us for Chesterfield he showed he's still got the ability, the only question is over his fitness. It's a different kind of risk and one we can partially mitigate by giving him a thorough medical, looking at his records and taking some specialist advice.

I still don't understand what is being hinted at. That KM would chuck a load of money away to prove a point? And the Prince and Wilder would just go along with it?

Exactly

 

[Tunstall Fred]

It's a mystery.

Who you think you are....Toyah ?

 

[BushBlade]

Where has £150k come from? It was £500k yesterday so I'm genuinely interested.

Been reported on here by a number of people which is just as reliable as the £500k tweeted figure. I also noted that when Talk Sport reported on it this morning (in the earlier bulletins before a lot of today's news broke) they'd stopped mentioning a figure, unlike yesterday, so I thought the figure may be in doubt.

£500k up front seems too much to be a gamble. But if it is, it makes the idea that we're doing it for 'non-football reasons' even less plausible.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Where has £150k come from? It was £500k yesterday so I'm genuinely interested.

Where did the 500k come from?

 

[coolhandluke]

As for the scores being settled, see above mate.

As regards whether this is the shrewdest business we could be doing in the striking department right now, we'll very much have to differ on that one.

By far Chris's worst signing for me, by many, many miles. C'est la vie.

And that's exactly why the article isn't just lazy journalism it's a rant from one the " great divide " in our support ( sic ) .

He accuses the club of raking up the past and point scoring in some bizarre way . The fact the he devotes 80 percent of his " journalistic effort " focusing on the past himself and devotes just 1 ( one ) sentence to the fact that CW may , just may actually think it's good business , reveals the article for exactly what it is .

The blokes a Blade and respect for that but instead of dragging up the past focus on the future and discuss the signing of Evans in relevant terms ....... Basically is he good enough for the championship ? Anything else smacks of a mardy arse who'll abuse his position in some lame attempt to stir up shit .

 

[coolhandluke]

I will show you a delicate little flower if you like

Fuck me sheffielder , stop digging mate , your flounce is becoming woodwardfanesque

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Been reported on here by a number of people which is just as reliable as the £500k tweeted figure. I also noted that when Talk Sport reported on it this morning (in the earlier bulletins before a lot of today's news broke) they'd stopped mentioning a figure, unlike yesterday, so I thought the figure may be in doubt.

£500k up front seems too much to be a gamble. But if it is, it makes the idea that we're doing it for 'non-football reasons' even less plausible.

I think it's exactly the £500k, which was reported by local and national journalists which is raising so many questions. Of course it could all be from a single tweet but I'd think they'd do some confirming even if it was from the Chesterfield side as that appears to be where this is coming from.
I don't think it's a difficult case to make that if it was £500k upfront then we're over paying and that welcomes the question of why.
£150k wouldn't put that concern the rest which is why I asked because I've not seen it reporter anywhere but on here by fans in favour of the deal.

 

[CrookesBlade]

John Ashdown.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/apr/25/sheffield-united-resign-ched-evans-settling-scores

I'm a guardian reader and usually enjoy Ashdown's articles but that is a steaming pile of shite. Reads more like a Daily Mail hatchet job.

 

[Snowman]

And that's exactly why the article isn't just lazy journalism it's a rant from one the " great divide " in our support ( sic ) .

He accuses the club of raking up the past and point scoring in some bizarre way . The fact the he devotes 80 percent of his " journalistic effort " focusing on the past himself and devotes just 1 ( one ) sentence to the fact that CW may , just may actually think it's good business , reveals the article for exactly what it is .

The blokes a Blade and respect for that but instead of dragging up the past focus on the future and discuss the signing of Evans in relevant terms ....... Basically is he good enough for the championship ? Anything else smacks of a mardy arse who'll abuse his position in some lame attempt to stir up shit .

why sic?

 

[coolhandluke]

I think it's exactly the £500k, which was reported by local and national journalists which is raising so many questions. Of course it could all be from a single tweet but I'd think they'd do some confirming even if it was from the Chesterfield side as that appears to be where this is coming from.
I don't think it's a difficult case to make that if it was £500k upfront then we're over paying and that welcomes the question of why.
£150k wouldn't put that concern the rest which is why I asked because I've not seen it reporter anywhere but on here by fans in favour of the deal.

This in a nutshell is the main issue I have with the ' rumoured ' transfer . 500 k is way over his current value . And this is also why I get the feeling that it's not accurate . There's simply no way on earth that CW would pay that for him . I believe his fee COULD rise to 500 k with an assortment of add ons , but the 150 k upfront I've heard is far closer to the truth imo .

Wilders a lot of things but he's no mug .

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

And that's exactly why the article isn't just lazy journalism it's a rant from one the " great divide " in our support ( sic ) .

He accuses the club of raking up the past and point scoring in some bizarre way . The fact the he devotes 80 percent of his " journalistic effort " focusing on the past himself and devotes just 1 ( one ) sentence to the fact that CW may , just may actually think it's good business , reveals the article for exactly what it is .

The blokes a Blade and respect for that but instead of dragging up the past focus on the future and discuss the signing of Evans in relevant terms ....... Basically is he good enough for the championship ? Anything else smacks of a mardy arse who'll abuse his position in some lame attempt to stir up shit .

Lazy journalism? A rant? Shit-stirring? Abuse of his position? Yeah, right. Martin Samuels Award for Services to Journalism on its way...

He's having to pack a lot in to a pretty small acreage of print. And he's having to address readers than aren't going to know the ins and outs or the context.

Eight paragraphs outlining the history of the case (which is an impressive feat in itself). The remaining six on this season and the event itself. Seems fine to me.

And rather than just addressing your only relevant criteria of "is he good enough for the championship?", he's made his point about whether or not Evans'll be good enough for United's purposes (as well as all the other ground he covers).

I'm not suggesting that he's some sort of journalistic god, just that he's written a very decent article here, that covers a lot of ground and is suggestively opinionated. And it just happens that I share one or two of the concerns he's alluded to.

 

[coolhandluke]

why sic?

Because there simply isn't a great divide .

 

[YES Blade]

For £150k? This isn't a kid with nice feet who might be decent when he grows up, it's a player who scored around 1 in 2 for Norwich in the championship and thirty five for us in L1. In the short spell against us for Chesterfield he showed he's still got the ability, the only question is over his fitness. It's a different kind of risk and one we can partially mitigate by giving him a thorough medical, looking at his records and taking some specialist advice.

I still don't understand what is being hinted at. That KM would chuck a load of money away to prove a point? And the Prince and Wilder would just go along with it?

Agreed, Wilder is the reason none of these McCabe theories don't make sense.

Sheffield United need Chris Wilder far more than Chris Wilder needs Sheffield United. Wilder could easily walk into another Championship job on more money and with a bigger budget to work with.

So why the hell would he go along with any score settling bollocks? He needs to use his budget wisely, not waste it on players he doesn't want because the owner is trying to settle a score.

Wilder has worked his bollocks off to build a great reputation, no way is he going to risk damaging it. If he doesn't want Ched, he'd walk, I'm in no doubt about that and the fans would all be behind him.

 

[coolhandluke]

Lazy journalism? A rant? Shit-stirring? Abuse of his position? Yeah, right. Martin Samuels Award for Services to Journalism on its way...

He's having to pack a lot in to a pretty small acreage of print. And he's having to address readers than aren't going to know the ins and outs or the context.

Eight paragraphs outlining the history of the case (which is an impressive feat in itself). The remaining six on this season and the event itself. Seems fine to me.

And rather than just addressing your only relevant criteria of "is he good enough for the championship?", he's made his point about whether or not Evans'll be good enough for United's purposes (as well as the other ground he covers).

I'm not suggesting that he's some sort of journalistic god, just that he's written a very decent article here, that covers a lot of ground and is suggestively opinionated. And, fortunate for me, it just happens that I share one or two of the concerns he's alluded to.

One sentence Alfreton , just one on whether our manager could see this as a great bit of business . Let's face it , he didn't have to do much ' packing ' of the past in when he'd left the entire article open to it did he ?

The entire article is disrespectful to Wilder at best . At worst it's a prat who's spat his dummy out .

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

One sentence Alfreton , just one on whether our manager could see this as a great bit of business . Let's face it , he didn't have to do much ' packing ' of the past in when he'd left the entire article open to it did he ?

"Perhaps Wilder feels he can reinvigorate the striker as he has done with several members of a previously underachieving squad this season." There you go, Luke.

And as I say, less than 60% of the article relates to the history of the case (a history that's very much needed for context's sake).

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

This in a nutshell is the main issue I have with the ' rumoured ' transfer . 500 k is way over his current value . And this is also why I get the feeling that it's not accurate . There's simply no way on earth that CW would pay that for him . I believe his fee COULD rise to 500 k with an assortment of add ons , but the 150 k upfront I've heard is far closer to the truth imo .

Wilders a lot of things but he's no mug .

Lets say 500K is correct, who's to say it's not 100K up front and 400K upon promotion to the Prem?

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

Weather Ched is that striker is open for debate

Weather Ched indeed...the Evans 'av opened...

 

[Davalon]

So from what I can see those who've always wanted Evans back think it's a shit article and he's only costing 150k.

And those who haven't think it's bang on and he's costing 500k.

But hey...there's no division.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

One sentence Alfreton , just one on whether our manager could see this as a great bit of business . Let's face it , he didn't have to do much ' packing ' of the past in when he'd left the entire article open to it did he ?

The entire article is disrespectful to Wilder at best . At worst it's a prat who's spat his dummy out .

Perhaps he posts on here?

 

[Gavlar]

He mentions Sharp, Clarke and Hanson as some sort of evidence that we don't need him!

We need a new striker for next season, simple as that. Weather Ched is that striker is open for debate, don't try and pretend that we have 3 Championship quality strikers.

Yes i think we are going to have to weather him..........

 

[coolhandluke]

Lets say 500K is correct, who's to say it's not 100K up front and 400K upon promotion to the Prem?

That's kind of my viewpoint too . 150 k ( or 100 ) and the rest in add ons .

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

So from what I can see those who've always wanted Evans back think it's a shit article and he's only costing 150k.

And those who haven't think it's bang on and he's costing 500k.

But hey...there's no division.

Overall as always, debate on here is generally good and whilst there are two sides of the fence the lack of abuse should be taken with pride on both sides.

 

[sheffielder]

Fuck me sheffielder , stop digging mate , your flounce is becoming woodwardfanesque

Harsh, very harsh

 

[Tunstall Fred]

So from what I can see those who've always wanted Evans back think it's a shit article and he's only costing 150k.

And those who haven't think it's bang on and he's costing 500k.

But hey...there's no division.

Don't forget the McCabe haters who are insisting that he is forcing Evans on Chris,just to settle an old score