Ched poll

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for/against ched signing

  • I am happy to trust Wilder on this

    Votes: 421 61.2%

  • No on morality reasons

    Votes: 61 8.9%

  • No on football reasons

    Votes: 198 28.8%

  • No because it will cause rifts

    Votes: 147 21.4%
  • Total voters
    688
BigBed said:
Why is everyone bringing up the crap about what he's done this year!?
The man's been wrongly locked away for years, he's left prison after finally being found NOT GUILTY!, that's NOT GUILTY!!!! and tried to get back to doing his job. Now, if any of you thought/think he should've been able to walk straight onto the pitch and play 40 games without any fitness issues or injury then, I'm sorry, but your ridiculous. It took him 2 seasons to settle in and get back to his level when he joined us, but the third season he made us, it was just unfortunate to have that happen to him, and we were unfortunate to lose him at such a crucial time. Just think, if he'd finished the season with us, would he have scored 40-45?? That's incredible!!!
Everyone sings Billys praise's and he hasn't hit 30 yet.!
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It wasn't unfortunate what happened to him, he put himself in a position to get arrested and face a trial by being a billy big bollocks who decided he could shag who he wanted. He's not guilty of any crime, but he is guilty of failing the club and costing us promotion five years ago when the absence of his goals in the last few games cost us automatic promotion and left us toothless in the play-offs. Sure, his goals put us in that position, and he probably should have been cleared at his trial in the first place, but there wouldn't have been a trial in the first place if it wasn't for Ched Evans. He's entirely to blame for his own situation over the past five years and we've only just managed to do what we should have done that season if it wasn't for Ched Evans wanting to shag a pissed lass. He failed the club badly and we owe him nothing.

That said, it's all in the past and his signing should be judged like any other footballer. If we were still in League 1, it's an OK signing, trouble is, we got promoted, so our signings this summer should be players who are clearly a step up on what we've got. Evans is only about as good as Leon Clarke, and we already have a Leon Clarke, so Evans is a waste of money. The fact it took him over 2 years to settle in last time isn't an argument to be made in favour of signing him either. In that's his standard warm-up time he's got another year of being crap before he has a shot at being any good and has never done anything att Championship level except help to relegate us.
 



Well initially I was quite suprised but having thought about it for a few hours I'm thinking fair play and am pleased for Ched and hope that he can justify a move back. I'll applaud him on to the pitch.
 
Fucking no.. absolutely fucking not..

He's had 1 good season, that was 6 years ago..

He's spent a decent chunk of this season out injured (suppose it's understandable as he hasn't played for 6 years or so that he's gonna get injured coming back playing regularly)..But still

I just don't think he can cut it in the championship...
 
Fucking hell, why? He's hardly set League One alight this year. We seem to have done alright without him. With all the baggage he comes with it just seems like an unwelcome trek down a very well worn path that's already bored the arse off most of us.

Bizarre decision in my opinion.
 
Hodgesleftpeg said:
Fucking no.. absolutely fucking not..

He's had 1 good season, that was 6 years ago..

He's spent a decent chunk of this season out injured (suppose it's understandable as he hasn't played for 6 years or so that he's gonna get injured coming back playing regularly)..But still

I just don't think he can cut it in the championship...
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Leon Clarke has spent a huge chunk out injured this season and got back into the squad and look at him now. Don't forget what Clarke said about his recent improvement being down to one Chris Wilder and how he gets the best out of players. Danny Wilson got the best out of an injured Ched Evans so imagine what Chris Wilder can do for him too.

If all goes well I'm sure Ched will be wanting to settle some unfinished business at the place he feels he let everyone down.

If he's good enough for Chris Wilder then that's good enough for me.
 
Ginger Gnome said:
It wasn't unfortunate what happened to him, he put himself in a position to get arrested and face a trial by being a billy big bollocks who decided he could shag who he wanted. He's not guilty of any crime, but he is guilty of failing the club and costing us promotion five years ago when the absence of his goals in the last few games cost us automatic promotion and left us toothless in the play-offs. Sure, his goals put us in that position, and he probably should have been cleared at his trial in the first place, but there wouldn't have been a trial in the first place if it wasn't for Ched Evans. He's entirely to blame for his own situation over the past five years and we've only just managed to do what we should have done that season if it wasn't for Ched Evans wanting to shag a pissed lass. He failed the club badly and we owe him nothing.

That said, it's all in the past and his signing should be judged like any other footballer. If we were still in League 1, it's an OK signing, trouble is, we got promoted, so our signings this summer should be players who are clearly a step up on what we've got. Evans is only about as good as Leon Clarke, and we already have a Leon Clarke, so Evans is a waste of money. The fact it took him over 2 years to settle in last time isn't an argument to be made in favour of signing him either. In that's his standard warm-up time he's got another year of being crap before he has a shot at being any good and has never done anything att Championship level except help to relegate us.
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Summed up perfectly for me - we should put him in the past and move onwards and upwards
 
DiggerBlade said:
Leon Clarke has spent a huge chunk out injured this season and got back into the squad and look at him now. Don't forget what Clarke said about his recent improvement being down to one Chris Wilder and how he gets the best out of players. Danny Wilson got the best out of an injured Ched Evans so imagine what Chris Wilder can do for him too.

If all goes well I'm sure Ched will be wanting to settle some unfinished business at the place he feels he let everyone down.

If he's good enough for Chris Wilder then that's good enough for me.
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Leon Clarke hasn't had 5 years away from professional football.

Ched Evans has...

Im sure if anybody can get the best out of him Chris Wilder can...

I just don't think his body is up to playing football at championship level on a regular basis
 



Great instead of celebrating this season the bad smell has appeared again.
Ched fucking Evans he'll be like a death at a birthday party Sunday.
Too long out of the game he's not brilliant now at L1 level how can he cut in the Championship.
The kids a crock you won't keep him fit for two games on the trot.
It could only happen to us this the enemy are laughing their bollocks off.
Nowt against him personally as a footballer he's missed the boat.
 
I think we should just all agree that if this rumour is true and wilder does bring him in we need to back him, if he's being booed on the pitch and slated off it what's that going to do to him as a player performance wise. We've trusted wilder with some controversial signings like bringing Clarke in so I'm sure he knows exactly what he's doing!
 
David Lee's first touch said:
The 26.9% cunt quote was based on the moral and rift added together both are "nobs" votes i respect the no for football reasons think wires were crossed fella
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Fair enough but in that case I still think it's a bit unfair to lump those wanting to avoid rifts amongst the fan base with the Moral minority.
 
Lane Ender said:
Great instead of celebrating this season the bad smell has appeared again.
Ched fucking Evans he'll be like a death at a birthday party Sunday.
Too long out of the game he's not brilliant now at L1 level how can he cut in the Championship.
The kids a crock you won't keep him fit for two games on the trot.
It could only happen to us this the enemy are laughing their bollocks off.
Nowt against him personally as a footballer he's missed the boat.
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What will you say if Wilder actually does welcome the signing?
 
I can't understand why we would want to do this at all.

1) Football reasons - He's never worth 500k. Free, maybe. He has scored 5 league one goals this season (and really - 5 league on goals in the last 5 years!). And he's never proven himself in the Championship. He's had one good season, in league one, 5 years ago.
2) Other reasons - Yes, in the eyes of the law, his conviction has been quashed and he is innocent. But what he did was still pretty low and disgusting. And he will always have that hanging over him, and he brings that reputation to the club. And that reflects on the club. He will get stick everywhere he goes. He's not exactly thrived under those circumstances this season has he?
The club will be under pressure. There will be more petitions written. More club ambassadors will be put under pressure. The other players and staff will be put under pressure. Totally unnecessary.
Chris Wilder and Kevin McCabe will be answering more questions about this than about our fantastic season and title win. It will distract the whole club, and the whole footballing world. Example; it's currently on the front page of BBC news and BBC sport apps. Just why would you bring this on yourself for a player who is not that good (see reason (1)), or any player for that matter.

There are much better options - save the money and put it towards someone else who doesn't have all the baggage.

If anyone can get the best out of him, it will be Wilder - and I would love to be eating my words in 6 months time. But I think the chances of even Wilder making the most out of this are low, and not worth the hassle. A time consuming, expensive distraction.
 
For me the question is why would we want to sign him.
Almost everyone without exception has been going on about the the crap that we have had to endure for the last six years. This season has been a renaissance. We are born again. We are on the up.
Love him or loathe him, Evans is part of that history. Time to move on. Forget the past. Embrace the future. Without Evans.
 
This is what I can't get my head around with people who don't think it's a moral issue. If you don't care about what rich, powerful men do when they think they'll never get caught, if you don't have an issue with what goes on it that murky world. then eat your heart out, but you can't simultaneously hand wave what happened as some sort of non-event that got blown out of proportion. You can't have your cake and eat it, son!

With Ched Evans you're supporting a man who - at the very least - is a seedy, selfish idiot, someone who will happily betray his partner and take advantage of a young woman he's never met, in a questionable scenario of consent. That's explicitly the level of it. That's the facts we are aware of, and what has been discussed in court. At the other end of the scale of potential universes, at worst you are defending a literal, unabashed rapist, who has managed to skirt the legal system, which isn't a scenario that's out of the question. It's all well and good capslocking the words NOT GUILTY and doing your tired old PC brigade bullshit but that's what you're choosing to support. There's a lot we don't know about that night, a lot we'll never know, and to so brazenly declare this a non-moral situation in such a black and white way is some level of cognitive dissonance. There's a lot to be said on this matter, but I feel like this post is already enough of a hand grenade as is.

But if you've all got such a big chub on about making this strictly about football then y'know. There ARE other strikers available. I know - Shocking! Better ones than Ched. Ones that don't come with all this baggage. The unconfirmed story of him coming back is on the BBC's front page right now. We are going to get a lot of flack for this. It's absolutely not worth it.
 
Damski said:
There's a lot we don't know about that night, a lot we'll never know, and to so brazenly declare this a non-moral situation in such a black and white way is some level of cognitive dissonance. There's a lot to be said on this matter, but I feel like this post is already enough of a hand grenade as is.
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I don't disagree with a lot of what you say, but.. it's difficult to reconcile your morality about his behaviour when you draw inferences not only on what has been reported and indeed discussed in court, but also from things you don't know happened or not. "There's a lot we don't know about that night", that's very true, but that hardly adds to the debate?

Court cases are very rarely black and white, that's why the verdict is.
 
I thought we'd put all this behind us - finally. Not looking forward to divisions in the fan base again, or negative media attention. I hope he doesn't sign.
 



Damski said:
This is what I can't get my head around with people who don't think it's a moral issue. If you don't care about what rich, powerful men do when they think they'll never get caught, if you don't have an issue with what goes on it that murky world. then eat your heart out, but you can't simultaneously hand wave what happened as some sort of non-event that got blown out of proportion. You can't have your cake and eat it, son!

With Ched Evans you're supporting a man who - at the very least - is a seedy, selfish idiot, someone who will happily betray his partner and take advantage of a young woman he's never met, in a questionable scenario of consent. That's explicitly the level of it. That's the facts we are aware of, and what has been discussed in court. At the other end of the scale of potential universes, at worst you are defending a literal, unabashed rapist, who has managed to skirt the legal system, which isn't a scenario that's out of the question. It's all well and good capslocking the words NOT GUILTY and doing your tired old PC brigade bullshit but that's what you're choosing to support. There's a lot we don't know about that night, a lot we'll never know, and to so brazenly declare this a non-moral situation in such a black and white way is some level of cognitive dissonance. There's a lot to be said on this matter, but I feel like this post is already enough of a hand grenade as is.

But if you've all got such a big chub on about making this strictly about football then y'know. There ARE other strikers available. I know - Shocking! Better ones than Ched. Ones that don't come with all this baggage. The unconfirmed story of him coming back is on the BBC's front page right now. We are going to get a lot of flack for this. It's absolutely not worth it.
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Have you ever been asked in an interview whether or not you have cheated on your partner? No because its got fuck all to do with your ability to do your job. He cheated on his bird, get the fuck over it
 
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