Pyro or flare?

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snootyfenooty said:
I've looked up the definition of a flare and it seems that it is a generic term which encapsulates everything from distress flares to those devices you chuck in your drains to check for leaks and such. There is a world of difference between them. I have only witnessed the smoke "flares" going off as opposed to the "incendiary" type going off at recent matches. Without wishing to engage in a round of semantics, I will concede that the "smoke" type is a flare. It might help if you and others differentiate between the two to avoid sensationalism.

My take on "not being allowed to say" referred to the umbrage on display during the last few games should you dare to be critical of the team or certain players. Nothing more sinister than that. Why racism springs to yours and the minds of others I would guess only you could explain.
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But you are allowed to criticise. You are “allowed” to say pretty much anything so long as it doesn’t infringe on the rights of others (racism, sexism, homophobia etc.). You brought up an issue of things you’re not allowed to do and say in reference to the flare issue. It was therefore a reasonable assumption to believe you were talking about things that have been outlawed and that are no longer considered acceptable in football stadia. Nobody is stopping you criticising players or the team (though I can’t think why you’d want to on current form). You were complaining about the atmosphere in football stadia because of what you can't do or say. How would being able to criticise players or the team (which you can as much as you ever could) make the stadium less "like a morgue"? It's just an absolutely ridiculous excuse for a rather silly comment.
 
Tyler Durden said:
In the right hands, such devices aren't weapons. However, in this country they're forbidden, so the only ones carrying them will invariably be the idiots.

Bricks on the other hand are far more dangerous. There were plenty of those lobbed last week. It'd be nice to see more said about that.
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I think the forum will universally agree that there is no place at all for throwing bricks and that the people responsible are scum. Atrocious behaviour. But because it’s an issue we all agree on, discussion won’t rumble on because I think everyone to a man would say it’s unacceptable. It’s the fact that people are defending the idiots with the flares and actually turning on blades who have “grassed” that prompts some argument. Clearly there is some division on the subject. The most divisive subjects are the most discussed. Just look what a Ched thread can do on here!


Ps. Billy Sharp threw a brick at Jack O’Connell Saturday. What a cunt. J


Ps. I’ve now mentioned pyros, bricks, Ched, Billy and Jack O Connell in the same post. Is that also unacceptable coolhandluke?
 
1danewhitehouse said:
You’re the one pining for the old days when chants were racist, hooliganism was rife and people got killed in stadiums.
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As I said, you are nothing but an arsehole, pure and simple. In fact you are an obsessive arsehole. Making vile unsubstantiated accusations behind the cover of a keyboard sums you up. Short of being banned from this forum, I'm lost for words. Pathetic.
 
snootyfenooty said:
As I said, you are nothing but an arsehole, pure and simple. In fact you are an obsessive arsehole. Making vile unsubstantiated accusations behind the cover of a keyboard sums you up. Short of being banned from this forum, I'm lost for words. Pathetic.
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What accusation have I made?

You made a very silly comment. I challenged it. You have become somewhat defensive and aggressive. Perhaps it's because you know deep down that your original comment was rather silly as is your obsession with someone being "behind the cover of a keyboard". This is stupid for 2 reasons.

1. You have absolutely no idea whether I would only say these things (from behind the cover of a keyboard). For all you know I could be built like the incredible hulk and might have a career pulling the arms of thieves in a backwards country. Or, I could be a 5 foot tall old lady with osteoporosis. None of that is relevant to what we're discussing.

2. This stance is essentially hinting that you would want to assault someone for challenging your behaviour. Like an adolescent boy trying to prove he's "hard" on the school playground. Now that really is pathetic.
 
snootyfenooty said:
No. The point I'm trying to make is that there will always be something someone is going to get all indignant about. Football grounds are becoming more morgue-like in direct proportion to the things you're not allowed to do or say these days.
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This was your quote. I have accused you of hankering for the old days. Is that so terrible based on what you've said. Your post is clearly a moan about how football stadium atmospheres have changed for the worst over time. I've merely pointed out that I believe you are wrong in having this attitude because there are things that were infinitely worse (tragedies, racism, violence etc.). I'm not quite sure how that makes me an "arsehole". But you seem to be one of those who cannot comprehend points being made by others so I don't expect anything better than abuse and "from behind your keyboard" type childish posturing.
 
I quite like Pyro. I think if you could section off an area at games where it was allowed and then have a section around that where you know there may be smoke then I would be all for it (providing they are not thrown).

However that is not the case. They are currently illegal and use of them in a confined area could cause harm and intimidate others at the match including young kids.

For that reason anyone taking a flare into a football ground is breaking the law and having no regard for their fellow supporter. If they end up being banned as a result- it's their own stupid fault. If a fellow supporter identifies them for breaking the law, it is not that supporters fault, it is the persons fault for breaking the law.

Talk of snakes and grasses is just ridiculous playground big man talk. If you break the law and in doing so are already the one's not giving a shit about your fellow supporter, don't get all fucking chippy if the chickens come home to roost.

Plenty of crimes much more serious than pyro issues have gone undetected or have been unproovable due to the 'don't grass anyone' bullshit.

Here's a fucking idea. If you don't want to reap the consequences, don't break the fucking law.
 

This is getting tiresome, I don't know what's getting more irritating, smoke
bomb boys or the little do gooders. I personally think let young'uns do what they do and the rest just get on with having a good day. As a football fan you develop a sixth sense of knowing when it could kick off or get a bit out of hand so you just move on and everyone is happy. That's just how football is, an awayday is supposed to have a bit of an edge to it. Now let's just get on with enjoying the rest of the season.:rolleyes:
 
All boils down to those using them for me.

I'm not against pyro per se and I like seeing them at games. However the problem comes from them being against the ground regulations and therefore people's willingness to throw them to avoid getting caught.

We all know they're against the rules so you can hardly moan if caught. Most of us break the speed limit but if we get a pull for doing 50 down the High Street then you can only blame yourself.

I wouldn't dream of giving a name to the club if I saw someone with a flare, but if the twat chucked it and it hit me or my son then I'd go out of my way to ensure he paid in some way.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
This was your quote. I have accused you of hankering for the old days. Is that so terrible based on what you've said. Your post is clearly a moan about how football stadium atmospheres have changed for the worst over time. I've merely pointed out that I believe you are wrong in having this attitude because there are things that were infinitely worse (tragedies, racism, violence etc.). I'm not quite sure how that makes me an "arsehole". But you seem to be one of those who cannot comprehend points being made by others so I don't expect anything better than abuse and "from behind your keyboard" type childish posturing.
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You sound a little wet behind the ears so here's a little bit of advice regarding racism:
  1. Don't ever direct racist comments towards someone, especially if they are of a minority, ethnic or otherwise
  2. Don't ever direct accusations of racism towards someone who is not and someone you don't even know
  3. Don't ever introduce racism into a conversation or debate where there has been no inkling of it beforehand
Your comparison with yourself and the Incredible Hulk is something I agree with though. You appear to have the same powers of reasoning and a similar IQ.
 
snootyfenooty said:
You sound a little wet behind the ears so here's a little bit of advice regarding racism:
  1. Don't ever direct racist comments towards someone, especially if they are of a minority, ethnic or otherwise
  2. Don't ever direct accusations of racism towards someone who is not and someone you don't even know
  3. Don't ever introduce racism into a conversation or debate where there has been no inkling of it beforehand
Your comparison with yourself and the Incredible Hulk is something I agree with though. You appear to have the same powers of reasoning and a similar IQ.
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Totally unnecessary, mate, you're coming across as a bad loser on this one
 
snootyfenooty said:
You sound a little wet behind the ears so here's a little bit of advice regarding racism:
  1. Don't ever direct racist comments towards someone, especially if they are of a minority, ethnic or otherwise
  2. Don't ever direct accusations of racism towards someone who is not and someone you don't even know
  3. Don't ever introduce racism into a conversation or debate where there has been no inkling of it beforehand
Your comparison with yourself and the Incredible Hulk is something I agree with though. You appear to have the same powers of reasoning and a similar IQ.
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I didn't do 1 or 2. As for 3, if racism cannot ever be brought into a conversation, then it can never be discussed in any way, shape or form. Me thinks it is you who struggles with the ability to reason. Fortunately, over the years, people saw that it was an issue that needed discussion to the point that it was no longer normalised and was largely stamped out. Same with homophobia, sexism etc. Being able to discuss such things is entirely necessary to an enlightened society. Why are we focusing on racism alone anyway? I mentioned a few things which have improved over the years, racism was just one of them. Hooliganism is less prevalent than in the 80s, grounds are on the whole, safer places to be.

We can see there is till work to be done as illegal pyros are still being brought into stadiums and there are still issues of violence within football grounds. But the good thing is we are moving in the right direction on the whole. it just takes people like yourself a little longer to catch up. Maybe one day you'll realise the dangers and the stupidity of the pyro crowd.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
Maybe one day you'll realise the dangers and the stupidity of the pyro crowd.
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That's what the initial debate was all about, Why throw inferences such as this into the mix then? You seem to be evading the question.

1danewhitehouse said:
You’re the one pining for the old days when chants were racist, hooliganism was rife and people got killed in stadiums.
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Oh, and for good measure, and you also forgot about the accusation of homophobia in another of your earlier posts. Do carry on.
 
snootyfenooty said:
That's what the initial debate was all about, Why throw inferences such as this into the mix then? You seem to be evading the question.

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Oh, and for good measure, and you also forgot about the accusation of homophobia in another of your earlier posts. Do carry on.
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Reading and understanding the English language don't seem to be your strong point. But I'll spell it out for you one more time. You were complaining about football atmosphere's today because of what you can't do or say. I pointed out that this was actually a significant improvement on the old days when you could do and say much more including things like racism, homophobia, sexism, violence, pyro etc. i.e. steps have been taken to make sure football stadia are safer and that people don't have to put up with this shit these days. It's better now. That is my point. It can get better still by making an example of nob-heads who continue to make it unsafe for others. It's not perfect but it is going in the right direction. People complaining about that want their bumps feeling.


ps. I haven't accused you of racism or homophobia. Just ignorance and stupidity.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
Reading and understanding the English language don't seem to be your strong point. ..............................ps. I haven't accused you of racism or homophobia. Just ignorance and stupidity.
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It seems you have the problem with ignorance and stupidity as well as a major deficiency in literacy. The two quotes below are from you remember. Both are aimed either directly at me or inferred. If they are not what you mean't you can either retract them or apologise. You can digress as much as you like but you fool no-one but yourself.

1danewhitehouse said:
When I point out that the old days included acceptance of such abhorrent acts of racist or homophobic chants, you get very defensive.
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1danewhitehouse said:
You’re the one pining for the old days when chants were racist, hooliganism was rife and people got killed in stadiums.
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snootyfenooty said:
It seems you have the problem with ignorance and stupidity as well as a major deficiency in literacy. The two quotes below are from you remember. Both are aimed either directly at me or inferred. If they are not what you mean't you can either retract them or apologise. You can digress as much as you like but you fool no-one but yourself.
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I suspect we're boring everyone now. I'll have to just accept that you're illiterate and move on.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
I suspect we're boring everyone now. I'll have to just accept that you're illiterate and move on.
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Yeah, I guess it's not everyday I receive accolades such as racist and homophobe. I'll just return the compliment to where I initially replied to your insinuations and I'll move on. Arsehole.
 

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