No Ched - confirmation? Plus other bits from evening at BL tonight

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Harry's Game said:
It's a puzzle, the only thing I can think of is that someone connected with the club at the time of his release made some sort of promise of employment to him which could then be challenged in the courts for breach of promise when that was rescinded when the mob went apeshit.

It could be Evans' word against the clubs unless someone was stupid enough to put it in writing which you would hope they would have the sense not to do.

But at around that time we were stupid enough to sign a bloke on the basis of a YouTube highlights package and make him captain so you never know.
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"Breach of Promise" is not actionable. It does not exist.
 
Yewsman said:
In fact if anyone has a a claim it would be SUFC against Evans as we could argue that his conviction arising from his behaviour resulted in us failing to get promoted and that has certainly cost the club a considerable loss.
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IANAL, but I'm about 99% sure this doesn't make any sense.
 
Maybe he could've done alot of the unseen work that players seem to be doing nowadays!?
 
i thought we paid him until the end of his contract even when in prison. hopeing for an apeal and then didnt offer a new contract when it ran out .no claim there if we offered a contract when he was released it would only be valid when signed
 
But if we had verbally promised ched a contract when he was released and then changed our minds then he could potentially try to take legal action against Utd for breach of agreement. Breach of agreement can also relate to a verbal agreement as well as written agreement. The law would decree that both are a 'contract' as such. The big difference is being able to prove the verbal agreement ever existed. Player x says it did, club y says it didnt and that player x misundestood any verbal offer if any was ever made. Usually a third party giving evidence could swing it either way but any judgement would be made on the balance of probability. I would suggest that there would be many at the club who would categorically state that there was no such agreement.

Unless Sir Trevor Brooking is the sitting judge on any such claim, then i would hope that any potential legal case against Utd on this scenario is at best flimsy and probably wont happen. Ultimately though it depends on what is being claimed and why. All speculation at the moment and tbf there might not actually be any legal challenge to the club.

If the lad was trying to take legal action against the club then he has a right royal cheek. Perhaps the club if necessary could counter sue for any loss of earnings resulting from actions of an individual...
 
I'm a lawyer.

Under section 19 of the Right to Terminate a Written Contract Act of 2008 an employer can formally interpret ones ability to perform any obligation to the company, and thus terminate as they see fit.

Therefore Ched doesn't have a leg to stand on.

I'm not a lawyer.
 
Ricky said:
There's been an event at Bramall Lane tonight with Wilder and Knill in attendance. These are both from people who attended...





It seems like the rumours are right and the silly bastard is trying to sue us. In which case even those of us who wanted him back will have to draw the line. So stupid, so unnecessary and a real shame, but if this is indeed true, then fuck him.
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Its obvious he,s going 2 sue someone but if he or his lawyers think they have a case 2 sue sheff utd,they r deluded.Shouldn,t have gone 2 court in the 1st place but its his fault nobody elses.He decided he wanted sex,he wasnt drugged.Unfortunately ched if this is true your bridges will b totally burned n u will go from hero 2 total zero imo.Talk about biting the hand that fed u.
 
SteveBlade said:
I'm a lawyer.

Under section 19 of the Right to Terminate a Written Contract Act of 2008 an employer can formally interpret ones ability to perform any obligation to the company, and thus terminate as they see fit.

Therefore Ched doesn't have a leg to stand on.

I'm not a lawyer.
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Rumour has it that he knows he won't win but it's a point of "principle"!
Work that one out :(
 



Weasel said:
But if we had verbally promised ched a contract when he was released and then changed our minds then he could potentially try to take legal action against Utd for breach of agreement. Breach of agreement can also relate to a verbal agreement as well as written agreement. The law would decree that both are a 'contract' as such. The big difference is being able to prove the verbal agreement ever existed. Player x says it did, club y says it didnt and that player x misundestood any verbal offer if any was ever made. Usually a third party giving evidence could swing it either way but any judgement would be made on the balance of probability. I would suggest that there would be many at the club who would categorically state that there was no such agreement.

Unless Sir Trevor Brooking is the sitting judge on any such claim, then i would hope that any potential legal case against Utd on this scenario is at best flimsy and probably wont happen. Ultimately though it depends on what is being claimed and why. All speculation at the moment and tbf there might not actually be any legal challenge to the club.

If the lad was trying to take legal action against the club then he has a right royal cheek. Perhaps the club if necessary could counter sue for any loss of earnings resulting from actions of an individual...
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That's almost exactly what Ched is alledging, allegedly ;)
 
If he is trying to sue us, and a solicitor or whatever is making a case or has, then you'd think with his recent experiences in legal matters that there must be something in it....

After all, were the ones who offered Hammond a deal as part of his loan as an option which he could take up weather we wanted him or not....

We appear to be very silly at this contract business don't we.... evans is a full weight prick and is burning his bridges with the fans if true...
 
Razor1967 said:
Rumour has it that he knows he won't win but it's a point of "principle"!
Work that one out :(
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When Ched was released from prison I was vehemently in favour of of him returning to the club in a professional capacity . Whilst there was the obvious potential upside to the club on the playing side my vehemence was based almost wholly on a very simple moral principle ..... " he'd done the crime and served the time , now he had the right to rehabilitate " .

Following his alleged plans to sue the Club and indirectly shit all over the thousands of Blades who stood by him he can get fucked for all I care .
 
vorpal blade said:
Erm - where has this rumour come from, thin air

or is it not as substantial as that?

this seems like pages of people getting into a tizz for no reason whatsoever, its mass hysteria isn't it?
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To be fair mate ..... This has been common knowledge for sometime now .
 
As one of the people who didn't want to see Ched back anywhere near the club, I'm fucking delighted he's seemingly not being considered.

And even if he is suing us, there'll still be idiots wanting him back for some bizarre masochistic reason.

It wasn't just that pissed-up lass in Rhyl that he fucked.
 
I can only assume it's for actions or promises on release, can't see how can be from when got sent down or in prison.

As long as nothing is written down I can't see how he can possibly have a case.
I would imagine that if every player tried to sue a club who said they wanted to sign them but then didn't the courts would be very busy.
 
Very silly with contracts?

At the time of his release I remember a big majority in favour of signing Ched. Seems we were doing that.

Move that on, and it seems that the huge public outcry about him meant the club changed their minds....and quite rightly. The circus it attracted without him signing was over the top, what would it have been like if we had ignored all the threats and media and signed him anyway.

So where does this make the club silly?
Likewise we are having the Hammond scenario raised. At the time he was thought to be the missing piece to get Adkins side going. As we know that was bollocks, however when the manager wanted him the club had to find some way to get him at all costs (like Adkins wanted) and still within a set pay structure. That meant a structured deal....move forward and of course we didn't like it as the new manager wanted rid.

Let's talk about other players on similar contracts with appearance triggers. Coutts, Freeman, Done.....all doing a job to get us promoted. Two being players we wanted rid of desperately at one point, but now invaluable.
Due to the appearance trigger, instead of worrying about them walking away and looking at other options we can simply trigger another year at their current salary.
In their case, we could see next season start a league higher and see how they fair before looking to give them a pay rise and new deal.
We can also still get a fee for them if we look to replace them.
So again....not such a silly contract.
They may already be on good money.....but let's be honest they are showing now that they are bloody good players. Fact is, they always were and were badly utilised.
 
Some contracts can have legal force without being written down - but don't think that football contracts can, as they have to be lodged with the league.

I vaguely recall (though I stand to be corrected) that United let Evans' contract expire rather than terminate it after he got sent down. The gap between his jailing and its expiry was short, so there was a lot of sense in this decision.

We don't know the facts but this strikes me as very speculative on Evans' part if true.
 



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