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morganselbow said:
From what I remember if Byron Webster he's more of a sweeper type than a big ball winning defender a la EEL, so I don't think he'd be a great replacement, more an upgrade on Jake Wright perhaps. So whilst I would take him, I would worry slightly that we'd be lacking a bit of physicality and aerial dominance at the back.
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Webster is strong in the air but I'm also pretty sure he'd be a capable sweeper and would be well suited to playing in the middle of a back three. That's why I'd like us to sign him if possible. Maybe a CB isn't a priority but if we strengthen in other positions without spending much maybe we'll spend a bit on him.
 
Hmm. It'll be interesting to see which direction this thread goes if we're simply told that it's OK for us to keep him until the end of the season as planned and we can take it from there regarding signing him permanently.

Some have turned the kid from being one of the main reasons for our upturn in fortunes and the much liked no-nonsense commanding central defender that we've needed for years at this level, to a 2 bit donkey that we could easily replace for a packet of fags and a and s bag of mint imperials.

I wonder if players ever read forums?
 
GrayBlade said:
Hmm. It'll be interesting to see which direction this thread goes if we're simply told that it's OK for us to keep him until the end of the season as planned and we can take it from there regarding signing him permanently.

Some have turned the kid from being one of the main reasons for our upturn in fortunes and the much liked no-nonsense commanding central defender that we've needed for years at this level, to a 2 bit donkey that we could easily replace for a packet of fags and a and s bag of mint imperials.

I wonder if players ever read forums?
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I feel the truth lies somewhere inbetween. If he was consistently good enough to play at Championship level or higher, you'd think he already would be and we wouldn't get a sniff. Maybe it's that he's a very good LG1 defender, in which case I'd be reluctant to pay a lot given that we'd hope to be higher at some point. For me, he's done well for us so far.
 
Bladesthorpe said:
You obviously missed when the Walsall striker drifted past him to score or the Coventry player drifted past him twice only for Basham to get him out of the shit both times. Add in the shocking back pass that so nearly cost us in the same game and suddenly this super star hat that some of our fans have put on him begins to slip a bit, I like the lad but irreplaceable he certainly isn't.:eek:
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You've missed the back pass at Fleetwood.
I never said he doesn't make mistakes, all defenders do.
I just think comparing him to Reda Johnson is a bit like comparing Mrs Brown to Holly Willoughby.
 
GrayBlade said:
Hmm. It'll be interesting to see which direction this thread goes if we're simply told that it's OK for us to keep him until the end of the season as planned and we can take it from there regarding signing him permanently.

Some have turned the kid from being one of the main reasons for our upturn in fortunes and the much liked no-nonsense commanding central defender that we've needed for years at this level, to a Reda Johnson donkey that we could easily replace for a packet of fags and a and s bag of mint imperials.

I wonder if players ever read forums?
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GrayBlade said:
Hmm. It'll be interesting to see which direction this thread goes if we're simply told that it's OK for us to keep him until the end of the season as planned and we can take it from there regarding signing him permanently.

Some have turned the kid from being one of the main reasons for our upturn in fortunes and the much liked no-nonsense commanding central defender that we've needed for years at this level, to a Reda Johnson donkey that we could easily replace for a packet of fags and a and s bag of mint imperials.

I wonder if players ever read forums?[/QUOTE
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Broomhall Blade said:
You've missed the back pass at Fleetwood.
I never said he doesn't make mistakes, all defenders do.
I just think comparing him to Reda Johnson is a bit like comparing Mrs Brown to Holly Willoughby.
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There's nowt sexier than an Irish accent.

EEL's loan to last till the end of the season is good news. Honestly not sure he's worth making permanent if we're a division higher but he's clearly good enough for our immediate aims and has a point to prove to keep him motivated.

Would like another defender in the JTW because a couple of injuries/suspensions would see us very short there and we can't afford to do our usual trick of getting to the end of the season and running out of steam.
 



GrayBlade said:
Hmm. It'll be interesting to see which direction this thread goes if we're simply told that it's OK for us to keep him until the end of the season as planned and we can take it from there regarding signing him permanently.

Some have turned the kid from being one of the main reasons for our upturn in fortunes and the much liked no-nonsense commanding central defender that we've needed for years at this level, to a 2 bit donkey that we could easily replace for a packet of fags and a and s bag of mint imperials.

I wonder if players ever read forums?
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I think that’s a bit of an exaggeration. I think the general consensus is roughly:-


Good Defender. Very strong and good in the air which means he’s also a threat at set pieces at the other end BUT a very limited footballer when the ball is on the deck.


I’d love to keep him for the rest of the season as planned and maybe even sign him permanently if the price is right. I don’t think we should be blowing our budget on him like we did with Brayford.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
I think that’s a bit of an exaggeration. I think the general consensus is roughly:-


Good Defender. Very strong and good in the air which means he’s also a threat at set pieces at the other end BUT a very limited footballer when the ball is on the deck.


I’d love to keep him for the rest of the season as planned and maybe even sign him permanently if the price is right. I don’t think we should be blowing our budget on him like we did with Brayford.
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Yep I agree that it is probably the general consensus 1DW. My comments though were regarding 'some' who don't seem to rate him too highly and think that he'll be easily replaced, and yet it took us years to get in a player in like him.
 
For what it's worth, I've just had a look at the Wolves forum and they seem pretty convinced that EEL will sign for us as they need to get players out to get players in.
 
I'm not saying he's not improved our defence, he has. He is a good LG1 defender but from what I've seen and the Wolves fans seem to agree I think he won't hack it in the championship and that's why I don't want us to being paying daft money for him if he comes back from Wolves.
 
Has anyone mentioned that this lad has only just turned 24 and still has plenty of time to develop before he's at his peak? Under CW he should continue to improve. I imagine over time he may well look more competent with the ball at his feet. I wouldn't subscribe to the view that he will never hack it in the Championship. Some players put the time, effort and dedication in to make those steps; some don't. Some make measured decisions about their careers, while others chase the money and maybe lose the drive and ambition. It remains to be seen how he progresses, but it's not so long ago we could guarantee shipping an unholy amount of headed goals at our end whilst suffering dismal failures at the other end for similar reasons. This lad has gone a long way to erasing those very painful memories, and we shouldn't take it for granted. At this stage of his career I'd be inclined to put my money on him. When I first saw Maguire I said he was an amazing talent, and he continued to develop really well. Then I saw him start a season at least 1 stone heavier and looking around for others to blame when he was the one not reacting quickly enough and clearly lacking a yard or two of pace. Some players are sufficiently self-motivated; some need close management. I think Maguire falls into the 2nd category.
 
Blend-it-like-Harris said:
Has anyone mentioned that this lad has only just turned 24 and still has plenty of time to develop before he's at his peak? ........

.....When I first saw Maguire I said he was an amazing talent, and he continued to develop really well. Then I saw him start a season at least 1 stone heavier and looking around for others to blame when he was the one not reacting quickly enough and clearly lacking a yard or two of pace. .
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Sorry, but I think you shot yourself in the foot there.

Harry was 18 when we first saw him and could only get better. At 24, most players are at/near their peak so IMHO there is no comparison. When I watched HM coming forward with the ball, I could only think Premier League. I knew his lack of pace might be an issue but his obvious quality as a 'proper' footballer was without question.

EEL is decent defender in the third division and maybe he can cut it in the league above. Harry was and is, a different class.
 
There's only 2 months or so separating Maguire and EEL. I wasn't suggesting EEL was as good as Maguire; only pointing out that he had time to improve. By now I would have expected Harry to have established himself as a Prem defender, but he still has some way to go with that yet. I think both can get better, and they certainly have time before they reach peak age for a central defender. I can't forsee the future, but I think Maguire may need careful nurturing if he's to get there. EEL may well make a good championship defender; maybe next season with us with a bit of luck!
 
24 is no age for a CB. They peak later, and the more football they get, the more likely they are of reaching that potential.

Granted, that Webster lad looks quick on the pictures Pinchy put up, but we already know what we're getting from EEL.
He's a beast physically and the perfect age to develop his positioning and reading of the game. Some people have got very short memories and don't know a decent player if their life depended on it.
 
It's not all about age, a lot of it is about number of games played.

It's more common with centre halves than players in other positions to begin to establish themselves in their mid 20s.

This season will do a lot of good for EEL and O'Connell. We're in a good position in that regard, short and long term.
 
Ideally i would like to see Utd bring in Webster (or soneone like him who can either be a mainstay in our defence next season going for promotion or can be a rock for us up in the championship - hopefully the latter), and decide on EEL at the end of the season. For the age he is and what ive seen so far from him, id also bring EEL in too at the end of the season if the price was right. I think he could easily develop into being a very good championship level defender.

I also wouldnt have been against trying to pick up Harry again if we went up hut i see he has just had a contract extension. Think that puts that one to bed for a little while then.
 



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