Andy Woodward/David White

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Just seen the interview with Ian Ackley on the news. Says that he was raped 'hundreds of times' by Bennell from the age of 10.
Poor kid, words cannot describe. Feel sick to my stomach.
 
Heartbreaking to see Paul Stewart in tears reliving the horrific treatment he received 30 odd years ago on tv last night. That must have been a daily nightmare that he has had to cope with mentally.
 
sitwell said:
There was a teacher at our school just the same ,hes not dead yet unfortunately and actually became England manager for a short time , the fucking nonce.
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In the light of recent revelations, do you have enough evidence, or know people who might be able to take this any further?
I'm hoping for an early Christmas present :)
 
HoodedClaw said:
Keep them out of society.

I don't believe you can be "rehabilitated" for paedophilia. In my opinion it's a sexual orientation, not an addiction like drink or drugs.

I struggle to think of many crimes worse than sexual abuse of children, it's all very calculated IMO. They know what they are doing is wrong otherwise they wouldn't threaten the children into not saying anything.

It takes a really sick kind of person to get themselves into a position of trust and opportunity to do what Bennell/Saville etc have done.

I'll fire the question back at you YES Blade what do you suggest we do with them?
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I agree with you, it's a sexual orientation, but I disagree that they can't be helped.

The biggest problem is that society views these people as the biggest scum bags on earth and therefore they can't seek help.

I would have a huge campaign to try and get these people to come forward and give them help rather than wait for them to commit a crime against children and then deal with them. A prevention is better than cure approach.
 
YES Blade said:
The thing is, I bet a lot would agree to be chemically castrated in order to control their urges.
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Even more simples. It would have stopped Jimmy Saville and Barry Bennell in their tracks after offence #1

Totalitarianism has a lot to recommend itself in some circumstances
 
northsomersetblade said:
Even more simples. It would have stopped Jimmy Saville and Barry Bennell in their tracks after offence #1

Totalitarianism has a lot to recommend itself in some circumstances
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It wouldn't though in Savile's case as he got away with it. Which is another issue in itself. How many people must have turned a blind eye to this? Not just the BBC but all the charities he used to access victims.

People knew. As Pommpey said in an earlier post, this shit didn't start in the 70s. I'm beginning to think that, in the past, people had a very different view of this kind of behaviour. Nowadays, we consider it to be heinous but I'm not sure people considered it to be as serious. Wrong perhaps, something to be kept quiet but not truly evil.
And when I say people, I mean those in authority. Those who were charged with the care of children. Those who were supposed to stop these things happening. I don't think a lot of them really cared. Or maybe just didn't understand what was really happening and didn't want to get involved.

I suspect there is much more to come out yet and future generations will look back in horror on how we treated our most vulnerable.
 
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I saw this on the Guardian website earlier, and i was genuinely shocked by what i read. I barely remember Andy Woodward as a player, who just seemed to be one the players who would come in under Warnock and go after not making much impact,

I can vaguely remember hearing that that Gary Speed had been under a Paedophile football coach when he was a lot younger, not long after the death of Gary Speed, and given the story of Andy Woodward, it wouldn't surprise me if Gary Speed had to go through the same ordeal, and couldn't deal with it, and it was the secret that he took to the grave. Lot was said about the death of Gary Speed, and there was lots of speculation and rumour about different things but i didn't believe much of it, but sadly i can believe this.

Sexual abuse of Children is absolutely fucking abhorrent, and as a parent I'd like to think that i would be able to do everything possible to shield Brownie Jnr from anything like that, because stuff like that wrecks peoples lives right from the beginning and i couldn't ever allow it to happen to a child of mine. It is just heartbreaking what Woodward had to go through.

The one thing that does shine out in that article was that two hated enemies in Warnock and Ternent both treated him very well and kept the poor fucker going, and kept what he was going through with the mental anguish, to themselves, says a lot about those two as men.
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From 2011:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...eed-was-coached-by-paedophile-as-a-child.html

The police 'assured the family' that Gary hadn't been. How the hell could they know? All they'd know is the lying, scheming evil shit didn't say he had. And now there's more coming out that the police had ignored or he hadn't said. The stuff that's been in private eye recently suggests that there was institutionalised cover ups of this kind of thing, so its hardly surprising that everyone thought they'd not be believed. High ranking police officer, MP, TV personality - who's going to believe the problem child from the care home?
What concerns me a little is Andy Woodward suggesting it was a bit of a joke in the changing rooms what that particular coach was like. If that was the case, then more than just the abused knew, yet did nothing.

Sod chemical castration. Physical would be appropriate. Have them pissing out of a catheter for the rest of their lives.
 
BushBlade said:
It wouldn't though in Savile's case as he got away with it. Which is another issue in itself. How many people must have turned a blind eye to this? Not just the BBC but all the charities he used to access victims.

People knew. As Pommpey said in an earlier post, this shit didn't start in the 70s. I'm beginning to think that, in the past, people had a very different view of this kind of behaviour. Nowadays, we consider it to be heinous but I'm not sure people considered it to be as serious. Wrong perhaps, something to be kept quiet but not truly evil.
And when I say people, I mean those in authority. Those who were charged with the care of children. Those who were supposed to stop these things happening. I don't think a lot of them really cared. Or maybe just didn't understand what was really happening and didn't want to get involved.

I suspect there is much more to come out yet and future generations will look back in horror on how we treated our most vulnerable.
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There was an organisation known as PIE (Paedophile Information Exchange) which existed in the 70s and 80s.

That is an example of how attitudes have changed, I'm sure we can all imagine, in 2016, what would happen to someone trying to set up a group campaigning to lower or abolish the age of sexual consent.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26352378
 
pommpey said:
Thing is, people imagine this is somewhat a 'new matter'.

Can anyone imagine what institutions, orphanges and schools were like in Victorian, Edwardian, Georgian times, even beyond? Places where the shitheads had 'de word o' de lawd!'
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But have we actually moved on from those times? The House of Commons and House of Lords have a far higher percentage of people who indulge in behaviour that is unacceptable to the general public. Whether it's being a Mason or just their personal predilictions, it seems the higher up in 'The Establishment' people go, the more they think they can do what the fuck they want - Chief Constables, Judges, MPs such as Vaz, they're all bent.

I'm convinced that's why the historic child abuse enquiry is foundering. Every time they turn over a rock, they see somebody from The Establishment.
 
Lets hope this is the trigger to get more to share there pain and get closer on the matter, he did as I am sure as been mentioned work with Gary Speed for a time, not sure if I want to know the true if that is why Gary felt the need to take his own life, there should be more that can be done by law to punish these sick sick bastards, and keep them away from the rest of society or of the edge of a very steep cliff...
 



Studies actually suggest the rates of actual paedophilic acts reduces significantly if the person in question has access to child porn. The porn stops them from doing harm to kids in real life. It's quite a discomforting thought but if CGI could get good enough.....would that be morally justifiable on a purely pragmatic level of helping people reign it in?

I think these people need to be understood, first and foremost. Maybe they can change, maybe not. I'm inclined to think that they can't, in the same way it's been pretty well established that gay people can't (now or should they want to, as being gay is fine OBVS). Sexuality runs very deep anyway.

I don't really like the idea of calling someone 'evil' and having done with it though. That seems like a very easy and convenient way of disposing of the whole issue rather than trying to understand it. It doesn't fix the problem though; it's only by understanding how the hell this shit can come about that we can begin to do something about it.

That's my thoughts anyway. I need to head out now as there's a Stranraer team meal to go to.
 
I think most schools had one. Ours was called "pop"Bays. Always touching your arse etc. All the kids knew a out him but nothing was ever done. Used to take boys groups camping. The stories are legend of kids (all under 11) waking up with pop fondling them.

The world is a different place now and it is a nice thought that lots of old teachers are living their days out dreading the knock on the door.
 
Nade said:
Studies actually suggest the rates of actual paedophilic acts reduces significantly if the person in question has access to child porn. The porn stops them from doing harm to kids in real life. It's quite a discomforting thought but if CGI could get good enough.....would that be morally justifiable on a purely pragmatic level of helping people reign it in?

I think these people need to be understood, first and foremost. Maybe they can change, maybe not. I'm inclined to think that they can't, in the same way it's been pretty well established that gay people can't (now or should they want to, as being gay is fine OBVS). Sexuality runs very deep anyway.

I don't really like the idea of calling someone 'evil' and having done with it though. That seems like a very easy and convenient way of disposing of the whole issue rather than trying to understand it. It doesn't fix the problem though; it's only by understanding how the hell this shit can come about that we can begin to do something about it.

That's my thoughts anyway. I need to head out now as there's a Stranraer team meal to go to.
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This is how I see it too.

More need to be done to help people that have those type of thoughts to ensure they can't or won't act on them.

I'm not excusing it though... obviously there has to be a line and what Savile, Bennell etc. did can't go unpunished. I'd just like to see a better understanding as a society that people aren't just evil and decide to have these thoughts for no reason.
 
grafikhaus said:
But have we actually moved on from those times? The House of Commons and House of Lords have a far higher percentage of people who indulge in behaviour that is unacceptable to the general public. Whether it's being a Mason or just their personal predilictions, it seems the higher up in 'The Establishment' people go, the more they think they can do what the fuck they want - Chief Constables, Judges, MPs such as Vaz, they're all bent.

I'm convinced that's why the historic child abuse enquiry is foundering. Every time they turn over a rock, they see somebody from The Establishment.
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Really? Do you think paedophilia is restricted to the rich, notorious and privelidged?

I'd say not. I'd say that noncing is widespread out there in the great unwashed. Depending upon your ability to come out and make it public ... and let's face it, 'My Well-Paid, Respected and Connected FA Licensed Football Coach Touched me On the Wotsit' sells far more papers and attracts more legal help than 'Local Plumber is a Kid Fiddler'. And one would imagine it to be better covered up and silenced within families and close friend groups than with these poor fuckers who just wanted to make it in football.

pommpey
 
Dec said:
This is how I see it too.

More need to be done to help people that have those type of thoughts to ensure they can't or won't act on them.

I'm not excusing it though... obviously there has to be a line and what Savile, Bennell etc. did can't go unpunished. I'd just like to see a better understanding as a society that people aren't just evil and decide to have these thoughts for no reason.
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They need punishing - there is no argument for that. Doing this kind of thing to kids is fucking abhorrent and needs retribution.

But these lot lighting the torches and calling for them to swing are deluded.

What if (as has recently been found) that the 'story' is nothing but a pack of lies?

pommpey
 
pommpey said:
They need punishing - there is no argument for that. Doing this kind of thing to kids is fucking abhorrent and needs retribution.

But these lot lighting the torches and calling for them to swing are deluded.

What if (as has recently been found) that the 'story' is nothing but a pack of lies?

pommpey
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I hope I'm the only one who wishes that Jimmy Savile was still alive to face a court of law and all his accusers - this kind of hatred goes beyond the grave, and I'm not particularly proud of it.
 
Threads merged by the way - similar topics were being discussed in both threads.
 
Nade said:
Studies actually suggest the rates of actual paedophilic acts reduces significantly if the person in question has access to child porn. The porn stops them from doing harm to kids in real life. It's quite a discomforting thought but if CGI could get good enough.....would that be morally justifiable on a purely pragmatic level of helping people reign it in?

I think these people need to be understood, first and foremost. Maybe they can change, maybe not. I'm inclined to think that they can't, in the same way it's been pretty well established that gay people can't (now or should they want to, as being gay is fine OBVS). Sexuality runs very deep anyway.

I don't really like the idea of calling someone 'evil' and having done with it though. That seems like a very easy and convenient way of disposing of the whole issue rather than trying to understand it. It doesn't fix the problem though; it's only by understanding how the hell this shit can come about that we can begin to do something about it.

That's my thoughts anyway. I need to head out now as there's a Stranraer team meal to go to.
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This is the problem in todays soft on crime world, let's try and "understand them". There was a time when victims of any crime were the main concern, now these politically correct morons are afraid of upsetting the perpetrators. These pedophiles are fuckin evil, and deserve a punishment worst than death. They destroy human lives from a very early age, think about it, what if it was your child who was abused.

Some years ago, I remember reading about a case were an old man had abused a young girl, the father found out and resisted hurting the old man, he contacted the police. The old man went to court and because he was old and played the age card the judge gave him a suspended sentence, so no justice for the victim. Anyway the father who understandable was upset with the judge, went round and smashed the old mans legs to bits with an iron bar, he got 2 years.
 
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I can't find the article, but I read something about a scheme in Germany where they were offering support to paedophiles to ensure they didn't offend. This seems like the way forward.

To a lot of people, it seems unfathomable to offer any form of help to people who possess such desires, but if it prevents actions then I'm all for it. As has been said, I think it's an orientation.

Also remember reading a piece interviewing people who acknowledge that they are paedophiles but who feel deep shame and guilt about their desires. People who would never dream of acting on their feelings because they know how wrong and damaging they are, but can't help how they're wired. Surprisingly, it detailed how some of them were in perfectly happy, loving relationships with adults, but they also had this secret to hide.

I believe there's some vague light at the end of the tunnel with all of this, and I don't just mean with the footballers coming forward. It feels like since Savile, more and more people are speaking up and coming forward with their stories, which must be a huge weight off their shoulders and a huge eye-opener to the rest of us.

On a personal note, I've seen first hand how badly abuse can hurt people. My ex-partner suffered sexual abuse at the hands of her grandfather and she gained the courage to tell her parents eventually at the age of 17. I had to give a statement to the Police detailing what she had told me, after the relationship had ended, which really wasn't easy. Her aunt had suffered the same abuse but had gone into her 30's saying nothing, and her dad blamed her for that, because he felt she could have been protected. The bloke went to prison and her dad drank for days.

It wouldn't be unthinkable that somebody on this board has gone through something similar. If you have, whoever you are, speak up. You're not alone.
 
People knew about Jimmy Saville in the 70's. There was absolutely more than one female that I knew of who had been on Jim'll fix it who wouldn't go anywhere near the BBC centre again after their experience in the changing rooms with the creepy old perv. They all complained at the time (with no effect) and I am 100% itk on this one. This is the BBC's public shame, they obviously knew it as well., bear this in mind when they are spouting the holier than thou crap which they like to give us every night.
 
georgebernardshaw said:
I hope I'm the only one who wishes that Jimmy Savile was still alive to face a court of law and all his accusers - this kind of hatred goes beyond the grave, and I'm not particularly proud of it.
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No - don't get me wrong again. I would have liked to see Savile face the full weight of justice for his abhorrence.

Over on popbitch, for many, many years, one correspondent illustrated to all that Savile was a paedophile and his evidence (stretching back to his childhood) was dusted to one side. Unfortunately for Reverend Goatboy (for it was he)he died before Savile was exposed as possible the nation's most notorious celebrity nonce. He wasn't alone. A very good friend of mine's wife was subjected to low-level abuse by 50% of a famous 1970s male comedy duet (names will remain with me, Foxy, don't worry) in a car near Skegness. To get to the bottom of this massive pile of evil, you practically have to bring the whole of the 1970s in for questioning.

pommpey
 



Neuschwanstein said:
This is the problem in todays soft on crime world, let's try and "understand them". There was a time when victims of any crime were the main concern, now these politically correct morons are afraid of upsetting the perpetrators. These pedophiles are fuckin evil, and deserve a punishment worst than death. They destroy human lives from a very early age, think about it, what if it was your child who was abused.

Some years ago, I remember reading about a case were an old man had abused a young girl, the father found out and resisted hurting the old man, he contacted the police. The old man went to court and because he was old and played the age card the judge gave him a suspended sentence, so no justice for the victim. Anyway the father who understandable was upset with the judge, went round and smashed the old mans legs to bits with an iron bar, he got 2 years.
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I'll ignore the anecdote because I'm not sure how it really fits in with what you're on about. If you want to generalise some kind of lesson from it though then let me know and I'll respond to it.

As for the top paragraph: the paedos need punishing. There's no two ways about that. But prevention is cheaper than the cure, and if by understanding how this comes about and reducing stigma about talking about it (at least in therapy/with the GP if nothing else) then a lot less kids are likely to be harmed. I don't want any more victims of this shit but I feel as though I have the foresight to consider how we can actually reduce the numbers of kids getting harmed. Lynching people after they've done it prevents fuck all.
 
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