Wilsons 2012 team v Wilders 2016 team

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Most Blades (including Keith Edwards) seem supremely confident we will finish top 2 this season.
Wednesday fans will reply that they heard all this back in 2012 and we faltered at the end.

So how does this seasons side compare to 2012. Which team is better?

My view is that if both teams hit their heights and played their best then the 2012 team would win in a one off game but over a long season I'd probably go with today's team.

I'm more confident about promotion with this team than the 2012 team because

1: This team is more consistent and street wise. Wilsons team had more ability but had a soft under belly.
If teams went physical to stop Wilsons team from playing (like Wednesday) then we struggled to get our free flowing game going.

2: I think Wilder is a better manager than Wilson. He instills that we should never under estimate the opposition making us more focussed and seems more tactically aware.

3: Think the standard of league 1 in 2016 isn't as high at the top compared to the 2012 season.
 



I think the standard is not that much different and much like then it seems 4 will pull away Bolton, Scunny, Bradford and us.

I sincerely hope that unlike then it's not another 90 odd point haul that goes unrewarded.

As regards like for like -

This team has a better keeper
This team has the better defence
This midfield is better
Their strike force is probably equal
 
LS26BLADE said:
I think the standard is not that much different and much like then it seems 4 will pull away Bolton, Scunny, Bradford and us.

I sincerely hope that unlike then it's not another 90 odd point haul that goes unrewarded.

As regards like for like -

This team has a better keeper
This team has the better defence
This midfield is better
Their strike force is probably equal
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And the more pertinent point, this side plays a lot better style of football, in terms of being pleasing on the eye, and being effective.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Most Blades (including Keith Edwards) seem supremely confident we will finish top 2 this season.
Wednesday fans will reply that they heard all this back in 2012 and we faltered at the end.

So how does this seasons side compare to 2012. Which team is better?

My view is that if both teams hit their heights and played their best then the 2012 team would win in a one off game but over a long season I'd probably go with today's team.

I'm more confident about promotion with this team than the 2012 team because

1: This team is more consistent and street wise. Wilsons team had more ability but had a soft under belly.
If teams went physical to stop Wilsons team from playing (like Wednesday) then we struggled to get our free flowing game going.

2: I think Wilder is a better manager than Wilson. He instills that we should never under estimate the opposition making us more focussed and seems more tactically aware.

3: Think the standard of league 1 in 2016 isn't as high at the top compared to the 2012 season.
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I also think Wilders team has a much better spirit. How many times did we throw away points from a winning position in that Wilson season? ...exeter at home, orient away, Wednesday at home, oldham at home etc. that's what cost us promotion. I also don't remember us scoring many last minute winners in that season.

Already under Wilder the team has demonstrated an ability to get late goals, come from behind etc. traits that promotion winning teams have.

I think this season does look very similar to the 2012 season though in that 4 teams will be going for the top two. I can see another very high points total needed for the top two.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Most Blades (including Keith Edwards) seem supremely confident we will finish top 2 this season.
Wednesday fans will reply that they heard all this back in 2012 and we faltered at the end.

So how does this seasons side compare to 2012. Which team is better?

My view is that if both teams hit their heights and played their best then the 2012 team would win in a one off game but over a long season I'd probably go with today's team.

I'm more confident about promotion with this team than the 2012 team because

1: This team is more consistent and street wise. Wilsons team had more ability but had a soft under belly.
If teams went physical to stop Wilsons team from playing (like Wednesday) then we struggled to get our free flowing game going.

2: I think Wilder is a better manager than Wilson. He instills that we should never under estimate the opposition making us more focussed and seems more tactically aware.

3: Think the standard of league 1 in 2016 isn't as high at the top compared to the 2012 season.
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Wilson's was the better first team, just, if we're saying LJF at LB although I reserve the right to change that opinion over this season but we've got more strength in depth under Wilder.
 
A mix of both teams for me. Overall the 2012 team would probably do better solely because of Ched but this team will get a similar number of points. Its also a different formation between the teams so a direct comparison is made harder.

As much as I like Wilson, Wilder is a better manager too, no doubt about that for me.
 
The telling difference might have nothing whatsoever to do with the team or manager and may actually lie in the boardroom. Fairly sure that after 5 failed attempts and near misses, bad decision making and poor transfer activity they must surely have had enough of this league? If they are only as half as exasperated as we are then they must be highly motivated to finally get us up? That of course will require them to back Wilder completely with everything he needs. He claims they have done so far, let's see.

On the other hand I may be just fantasising and in January they will probably sell Fleck and Coutts to facilitate Reid and Whiteman's first team development.
 
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Sheffsteel said:
Most Blades (including Keith Edwards) seem supremely confident we will finish top 2 this season.
Wednesday fans will reply that they heard all this back in 2012 and we faltered at the end.

So how does this seasons side compare to 2012. Which team is better?

My view is that if both teams hit their heights and played their best then the 2012 team would win in a one off game but over a long season I'd probably go with today's team.

I'm more confident about promotion with this team than the 2012 team because

1: This team is more consistent and street wise. Wilsons team had more ability but had a soft under belly.
If teams went physical to stop Wilsons team from playing (like Wednesday) then we struggled to get our free flowing game going.

2: I think Wilder is a better manager than Wilson. He instills that we should never under estimate the opposition making us more focussed and seems more tactically aware.

3: Think the standard of league 1 in 2016 isn't as high at the top compared to the 2012 season.
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The very fact that Keith Edwards is confident should make you very very afraid. He spent most of yesterday evening and night saying it would be a comfortable win.
 
Put Simon Moore in that 2012 team and we'd have gone up that year!

I always felt we had 6 quality players in 11/12 - Maguire, Lowton, Quinn, McDonald, Williamson, Evans - all head and shoulders above 3rd division level, then we had experienced spine players - Collins, Doyle and Cresswell - doing a decent job, LJF was adequate, better going forward than defending, Hill was the other way much better defending than attacking and Simo the weak link.

This team the better players for me are Moore, EEL, JOC, Fleck, Coutts, Duffy, Sharp, Clarke.

If I was to pick a best XI from the 12 and 16/17 teams I'd go:-

Moore
Lowton-Maguire-JOC-Hill
Williamson-McDonald-Fleck-Quinn
Evans-Sharp
 
It wasn 't the size of Wilders cock that prevented promotion in Wilson's first season was it.?
 



SUFC Handsworth said:
Put Simon Moore in that 2012 team and we'd have gone up that year!

I always felt we had 6 quality players in 11/12 - Maguire, Lowton, Quinn, McDonald, Williamson, Evans - all head and shoulders above 3rd division level, then we had experienced spine players - Collins, Doyle and Cresswell - doing a decent job, LJF was adequate, better going forward than defending, Hill was the other way much better defending than attacking and Simo the weak link.

This team the better players for me are Moore, EEL, JOC, Fleck, Coutts, Duffy, Sharp, Clarke.

If I was to pick a best XI from the 12 and 16/17 teams I'd go:-

Moore
Lowton-Maguire-JOC-Hill
Williamson-McDonald-Fleck-Quinn
Evans-Sharp
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Lafferty impresses me more than Hill did. On that note, I expect sitwell is currently reaching for his prescription having seen your XI. :)
 
SUFC Handsworth said:
Put Simon Moore in that 2012 team and we'd have gone up that year!

I always felt we had 6 quality players in 11/12 - Maguire, Lowton, Quinn, McDonald, Williamson, Evans - all head and shoulders above 3rd division level, then we had experienced spine players - Collins, Doyle and Cresswell - doing a decent job, LJF was adequate, better going forward than defending, Hill was the other way much better defending than attacking and Simo the weak link.

This team the better players for me are Moore, EEL, JOC, Fleck, Coutts, Duffy, Sharp, Clarke.

If I was to pick a best XI from the 12 and 16/17 teams I'd go:-

Moore
Lowton-Maguire-JOC-Hill
Williamson-McDonald-Fleck-Quinn
Evans-Sharp
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Simonson wasn't a weak link at all. He was a so-so goalkeeper.

If he hadn't been forced into taking a penalty he'd be a completely inconspicuous player in Blades history.
 
As it stands now if we continued our current form over our 18 games we'd finish on 94 points.
 
PeterNdlovu081 said:
Simonson wasn't a weak link at all. He was a so-so goalkeeper.

If he hadn't been forced into taking a penalty he'd be a completely inconspicuous player in Blades history.
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In my book he was the most costly* keeper we've had in all my years watching. We'd not have been relegated with a better keeper, and we'd have gone straight back up with one too. His penalty miss is entirely irrelevant to that opinion - I don't blame him at all for doing what could happen to any footballer.

* His wages would have been epic too.
 
PeterNdlovu081 said:
Simonson wasn't a weak link at all. He was a so-so goalkeeper.

If he hadn't been forced into taking a penalty he'd be a completely inconspicuous player in Blades history.
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Simonsen was awful, I still have nightmares about his limp-wristed last minute punch at Orient which gifted them a goal and lost us 2 points. Or the pigs at home when he should have steam-rollered the ball and their player instead of being a fanny, that gifted them the equaliser (or it might have been their first). At the end of that season I worked it out his mistakes cost us about 9 points. For me, his penalty missed just summed it all up about his time at United.
 
Simmo was an absolute liability.

He had a good 6 games on loan, we signed him permanently then his eyesight went. I assume.

Leyton Orient away stands out. He chucked away a victory in the last minute and I've never been angrier with a goalkeeper of ours.

In our relegation season I think he even managed to concede direct from a corner at least twice.

What a hero.
 
Yeh got to admit Simonsen had a few games similar to Longs performances at home to Southend.
It always used to make me dispair that he never seemed to ever come off his line.

I remember 1 game at home to Scunthorpe (a night match). We totally dominated but Simmo was a nervous wreck. Amazingly we were 3-0 down with Scunny only having 3 shots.
The crowd were booing at Simmo and I expected him to be substituted.

I also thought Simonsen was a bit like being given a handicap to so that the other teams stood a chance.

My big worry for this season is that there might be 4 teams all accumulating over 90 points.

It's such bad luck when a team finishes the season with a massive points haul but still fails to be promoted because a team finishing 25 points behind knocks them out of the play-offs.
 
Simonsen, Bunn and Long all had the ability to save a short sharp shot inside the area, but give`em a cross or a long range shot to save and they froze quicker than a penguin with his socks off.

They were all rubbish.

I think todays team has it on the last with the strength in goalscorers, once we lost Ched in 2012 there was a bermuda triangle of a hole starting with the game but slow falling to the ground lesser cresswell.
 
The quality of all four teams this season is higher than 2012.

I think it will take 95 points to finish top two.
 
SUFC Handsworth said:
Simonsen was awful, I still have nightmares about his limp-wristed last minute punch at Orient which gifted them a goal and lost us 2 points. Or the pigs at home when he should have steam-rollered the ball and their player instead of being a fanny, that gifted them the equaliser (or it might have been their first). At the end of that season I worked it out his mistakes cost us about 9 points. For me, his penalty missed just summed it all up about his time at United.
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Agreed on Wednesday game. If you're a keeper and you come for the ball and don't get it, you have to take plenty of the blame and usually all of it. I was sat right behind the goal and it was his fault.
 



PeterNdlovu081 said:
Simonson wasn't a weak link at all. He was a so-so goalkeeper.

If he hadn't been forced into taking a penalty he'd be a completely inconspicuous player in Blades history.
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Got to disagree - Simmonsen was a massive weak link and cost us many points that season - the main one being the 2 goals let in at BL v Pigs when we were 2.0 up letting their physicality beat him . There were many other examples where he let in soft goals that cost us
 
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