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Let us not forget Anthony Currie here who at just turned 18 in his first home match out shone a Spurs side with Jimmy Greaves in it,( I was there ) and went on to out shine many others....
 



HodgysBrokenThumb said:
The sad news about Len Allchurch prompted thoughts about the impact new players can make. He arrived with 8 games to go, when we had a good team, but had not replaced Kevin Lewis on the right wing, who had been sold the summer before (sounds familiar?). United won 5 and drew 1 in the following 6 games, and in 4 of the 5 wins, Allchurch scored the winner. The 6th game saw them safely promoted. Sometimes a new player takes time to make an impact (think Coutts?); sometimes the impact never comes (think Hammond); sometimes the impact is immediate (think the first coming of The Beard?). The so-called impact super-sub is not uncommon, but how many new players have made an immediate impact for United, and is there any observable pattern? Or is it down to chance?
As a footnote to Len Allchurch, I see from the United Who's Who that he played over 600 league games, and never got booked. Our very own Gary Lineker.
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Hammond had a fairly spectacular impact at Old Trafford..
 
blade too long said:
doubt if anyone would ever match Davison in terms of what it meant



no apologies for posting this

on the 25th anniversary of this win , march 11th 2017 we are at home to millwall
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No apologies needed. I can never watch that too often.
 
Blade for Sale said:
On the other side of the coin of course, we have John Ebbrell, the signing that would just about guarantee promotion for an already strong side.....
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On this side of the coin I seem to remember in around 1969/70 we played Derby at home and won in Div 2. After the match we sold Willie Carlin to Derby managed by Brian Clough. Derby went on a winning streak and to win promotion that season. We finished well off promotion. Have I remembered that correctly?
 
Snowman said:
Saw it! Can see it now. What I wouldn't give for digital tv recording and replays in the 60's and 70's. So much brilliance our youngsters haven't seen.
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Punton was signed when Gil Reece's leg was broken. At 32 and having grown through his hair making him look much older he was the butt of much mirth from our wendy friends out there on the left wing.
I seem to remember in the second half of a tight match that looked to be heading for a draw, him collecting the ball on the half way line cutting in and from just outside the box belting it into the goal in front of the Kop.............
PANDEMONIUM broke lose and we won 1-0 ..........

Magic....
 
Yewsman said:
On this side of the coin I seem to remember in around 1969/70 we played Derby at home and won in Div 2. After the match we sold Willie Carlin to Derby managed by Brian Clough. Derby went on a winning streak and to win promotion that season. We finished well off promotion. Have I remembered that correctly?
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August 1968. Carlin played one more game for us (v Millwall) before moving to Derby
 
N20 Blade said:
Yes that was a huge bit of business and similarly Vinnie Jones coming in made difference; think of the way the team kept together in no small way to him and the number of goals from his long throws that season. It was also a statement of intent I remember getting home from 6th form reading it on ceefax and calling my dad at work I was so excited.
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I could not disagree more with what you say here about Jones.

700 grand for a long throw - which didn't lead to many goals, check the season video - and a lot of posturing, standing around and muscle flexing. But very little tackling or running or actual leadership.

It is actually quite telling IMHO that We won every game Jones missed after he signed.
 
I remember David Holdsworth coming a few years ago almost shoring up a very leaky defence that had been conceding plenty of goals in the games leading up to his signing.
 



Revolution said:
I could not disagree more with what you say here about Jones.

700 grand for a long throw - which didn't lead to many goals, check the season video - and a lot of posturing, standing around and muscle flexing. But very little tackling or running or actual leadership.

It is actually quite telling IMHO that We won every game Jones missed after he signed.
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Agree - Jones signed with Marwood in September and made his debut against Leeds which of course we lost - we didn't win till December 22nd and of course had a magnificent run in the second half of the season. I don't recall Jones been mentioned as one of the heroes of our great escape.
 
My memory, though I was young at the time, is that Jones was crap. A dressing room hero, a la Dean Hammond.
 
JohnDenver said:
My memory, though I was young at the time, is that Jones was crap. A dressing room hero, a la Dean Hammond.
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He played against us for Leeds and did well - he nailed Agana early on, got away with it, and carried on dishing out hard tackles for the rest of the game. When we signed him I thought that was what we'd get, but we didn't. All mouth and no action.
 
Bladey McBladeface said:
I would add John Stead to this list. Sure, we didn't stay up, but it was through no fault of his.

Notable mentions to Matt Phillips and Steve Kabba.
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In the same way as John Stead did really well in vain (proving me wrong, that's for sure) Andy Gray came in late in 2003-4 to bolster our faltering promotion push and scored 9 goals in 14 games. We just missed the playoffs - and would of course have made them had Alan Fettis been picked ahead of Lee Baxter on a fateful day in December 2003...
 
Revolution said:
I could not disagree more with what you say here about Jones.

700 grand for a long throw - which didn't lead to many goals, check the season video - and a lot of posturing, standing around and muscle flexing. But very little tackling or running or actual leadership.

It is actually quite telling IMHO that We won every game Jones missed after he signed.
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I remember my Dad saying to me at the time "we've paid 700k for a chuffing catapult" or words to that effect.
 
Revolution said:
He played against us for Leeds and did well - he nailed Agana early on, got away with it, and carried on dishing out hard tackles for the rest of the game. When we signed him I thought that was what we'd get, but we didn't. All mouth and no action.
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Had a browse at his autobiography at a bookshop. He claimed that he won our man of the match award every week. I hate reading an autobiography that is full of lies!
 
Silent Blade said:
August 1968. Carlin played one more game for us (v Millwall) before moving to Derby
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Just looked up Carlin on Wikipedia. A player I really liked and was really disappointed when we sold him. Here's an excerpt from wiki.

"...before joining Sheffield United in 1967 for £40,000, signing a five-year contract with the Blades, where he spent one season before attracting the interest of Derby County, whose manager Brian Clough had followed his progress for several years and had previously attempted to buy Carlin during his time with Carlisle but had been charged by the Football Association after making an illegal approach to him.[4] When Carlisle had sold Carlin to Sheffield United, Clough had furiosly stated "Carlisle have sold a player for a certain fee when [...] we were prepared to top it".[6] Carlin initially refused to meet Clough to discuss a transfer but was convinced to meet Clough by Sheffield United manager Arthur Rowley, who told Carling that it would be "rude" to ignore the meeting. Carlin eventually accepted the move after his wife Marie declared her wish to move away from Sheffield.[9] Carlin travelled to Derby the following day and the transfer was completed for a fee of £63,000.[4] Rowley had been unimpressed with Carlin during his time in charge and believed he had "got one over" on Clough having described Carlin as "an over-aggresive and slow midfielder who couldn't keep his mouth shut".[6]

Carlin made his debut for the Rams in a 2–2 draw with Hull City, scoring one of his sides goals.[6] After winning another promotion, scoring the goal that sealed promotion in the 1968–69 season,[4] Carlin helped Derby establish themselves as a force in the First Division under Brian Clough. After spells playing for Leicester City and Notts County, he moved to Cardiff City in November 1973, being brought in by his former Leicester boss Frank O'Farrell. He made his debut during a 1–0 victory over Bolton Wanderers and was instrumental in helping the club avoid relegation, his final professional appearance coming in the final game of the season against Crystal Palace that decided which of the two sides would be relegated,[5] before deciding to retire at the end of the season.[10]"

I think Clough was a rather better judge of players than Arthur Rowley.
 
Yewsman said:
Just looked up Carlin on Wikipedia. A player I really liked and was really disappointed when we sold him. Here's an excerpt from wiki.

"...before joining Sheffield United in 1967 for £40,000, signing a five-year contract with the Blades, where he spent one season before attracting the interest of Derby County, whose manager Brian Clough had followed his progress for several years and had previously attempted to buy Carlin during his time with Carlisle but had been charged by the Football Association after making an illegal approach to him.[4] When Carlisle had sold Carlin to Sheffield United, Clough had furiosly stated "Carlisle have sold a player for a certain fee when [...] we were prepared to top it".[6] Carlin initially refused to meet Clough to discuss a transfer but was convinced to meet Clough by Sheffield United manager Arthur Rowley, who told Carling that it would be "rude" to ignore the meeting. Carlin eventually accepted the move after his wife Marie declared her wish to move away from Sheffield.[9] Carlin travelled to Derby the following day and the transfer was completed for a fee of £63,000.[4] Rowley had been unimpressed with Carlin during his time in charge and believed he had "got one over" on Clough having described Carlin as "an over-aggresive and slow midfielder who couldn't keep his mouth shut".[6]

Carlin made his debut for the Rams in a 2–2 draw with Hull City, scoring one of his sides goals.[6] After winning another promotion, scoring the goal that sealed promotion in the 1968–69 season,[4] Carlin helped Derby establish themselves as a force in the First Division under Brian Clough. After spells playing for Leicester City and Notts County, he moved to Cardiff City in November 1973, being brought in by his former Leicester boss Frank O'Farrell. He made his debut during a 1–0 victory over Bolton Wanderers and was instrumental in helping the club avoid relegation, his final professional appearance coming in the final game of the season against Crystal Palace that decided which of the two sides would be relegated,[5] before deciding to retire at the end of the season.[10]"

I think Clough was a rather better judge of players than Arthur Rowley.
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Before our 2-0 win over Derby (Carlin scored one of the goals), Clough came up to Carlin and said to him "I hear your boss doesnt fancy you!" Carlin was surprised and wondered if Clough tried to bribe him

A week or two later he refused to even talk about the possibility of a move to Derby, but Sheffield United manager Arthur Rowley insisted it would be rude not to at least meet the Derby manager, who as usual had arrived in person, uninvited.

Carlin agreed to talk it over with his wife, Marie. Brian drove Carlin home to meet the missus but Clough was singing "Who wears the trousers, who wears the trousers?" during the car lift. It turned out she was not too enthused about Sheffield and when Willie asked her: "Do you want to move to Derby?'' she replied instantly: "Now or tomorrow? We have only just moved house". Clough then went to talk to her, Carlin was taken aback "It is me you are trying to sign!" Clough replied "I have already signed you, now I am talking to the wife"
 
Silent Blade said:
Before our 2-0 win over Derby (Carlin scored one of the goals), Clough came up to Carlin and said to him "I hear your boss doesnt fancy you!" Carlin was surprised and wondered if Clough tried to bribe him

A week or two later he refused to even talk about the possibility of a move to Derby, but Sheffield United manager Arthur Rowley insisted it would be rude not to at least meet the Derby manager, who as usual had arrived in person, uninvited.

Carlin agreed to talk it over with his wife, Marie. Brian drove Carlin home to meet the missus but Clough was singing "Who wears the trousers, who wears the trousers?" during the car lift. It turned out she was not too enthused about Sheffield and when Willie asked her: "Do you want to move to Derby?'' she replied instantly: "Now or tomorrow? We have only just moved house". Clough then went to talk to her, Carlin was taken aback "It is me you are trying to sign!" Clough replied "I have already signed you, now I am talking to the wife"
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Interesting. How do you know all this?
 
Silent Blade said:
Had a browse at his autobiography at a bookshop. He claimed that he won our man of the match award every week. I hate reading an autobiography that is full of lies!
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Isn't that just about every autobiography? The reason I have only ever read Neil Warnock's, although I am sure that's the same!
 



An honourable mention to Mel Rees. Came in and preformed above and beyond expectations before most knew of his battles off the field, but definitely made a big impact.
 
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