Basham

[Champagneblade]

Probably because it was judged as foul play, not serious foul play. The rule is pretty clear in the case of Basham's challenge.

SERIOUS FOUL PLAY

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

Read more at http://www.thefa.com/football-rules...fouls-and-misconduct.aspx#faVI9Y3TKlBTYzjE.99

I know footballers aren't known for their brains Loughboro, but surely decapitation could be classed as relatively serious?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I know footballers aren't known for their brains Loughboro, but surely decapitation could be classed as relatively serious?

I know that's fairly tongue-in-cheek, but you'd be hard-pressed to find many examples where that sort of challenge causes serious injury – stitches might be the worst you can expect.

In contrast, a studs up challenge to the leg leads to plenty of leg breaks each season. That's why they are deemed as separate levels of seriousness.

That being said, if we have a few actual decapitations this season I'm sure the laws will be amended accordingly

 

[Champagneblade]

I know that's fairly tongue-in-cheek, but you'd be hard-pressed to find many examples where that sort of challenge causes serious injury – stitches might be the worst you can expect.

In contrast, a studs up challenge to the leg leads to plenty of leg breaks each season. That's why they are deemed as separate levels of seriousness.

That being said, if we have a few actual decapitations this season I'm sure the laws will be amended accordingly

Might bring a whole new meaning to the commentary
"and it was in the 85th minute that Scougall finally lost his head"

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I would. It might prevent you from publishing Bladey Bollocks in future. Watch Tony Currie and Co if you want to see what "is us". Proper football.

But let’s not forget that “and Co” included Trevor Hockey. It is important to have a couple of physical, aggressive players in the team to provide the flair players with the platform to strut their stuff. It’s all about balance. A team made up of 11 Paul Coutts would get destroyed by any side in this league.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

As I've said elsewhere, it wasn't a straight red, but our penalty could have been denied as well. Also, I hope the team don't go into the Bristol and Fleetwood games with the same air of certainty as some of our fans. They're both breathing down our necks and could undo all our recent good work.

Agreed. Bristol Rovers recorded a good win at the weekend and are only a point behind us.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I might be on my own here but I thought it was a red card. The freeze frame above and watching it on the highlights; Basham is high and is over the ball. Surprised not many see it that way. An appeal would be a waste of time and the fact we wont bother I sense tells a story.

Someone said he went over the top of him and that is the problem.

10 years ago it would not have been a booking but now you cannot make tackles like that or if you do, you have to make sure your foot is grounded. The ball was on the floor not even bouncing so the moment Bash puts foot up like that he is facing a big risk. its ok saying there player went in hard too but he did not tackle with his foot up and over the ball.

Even if it was not a red (which sadly most refs would say was; whatever criticism of Deadman is given for his performance) it was a definite yellow and he had already been booked. His first touch was awful and then he was out of control in his challenge. Not first time he has done this (Port Vale was it a few years ago).

Of course I was not there and it sounds as if there were quite a few others that could have warranted a similar punishment.

I agree that it was the sort of challenge that is sometimes met with a red card these days. The frustrating thing is that they’re not consistently red card offences. It just seems every so often, a ref takes exception to one and sends the player off whereas half the time it’s not even deemed a foul. It’s a difficult one for players as well as they lunge after the ball for a 50/50 challenge in that split second. They don’t have the time to consider their tackling technique they just try to get to the ball. I suspect that in 20 years, kids will have been brought up and coached differently so we won’t see those sort of tackles but it’s difficult for players that have grown up tackling a certain way to stop themselves going in like that. It’s instinctive and a genuine attempt to play the ball rather than to hurt the opponent. If it had been a yellow, at least it would only be a 1 game ban.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

The guys reaction does not help but whether he is injured or not is irrelevant. You dont give the referee the opportunity to send him off. Basham was on a yellow. What was he thinking? Should be maximum fine we can give as could have cost us the game and very nearly did.

I disagree for the reasons set out above. It was an over-zealous tackle. It doesn’t warrant a fine. If you discipline the aggression and enthusiasm out of players like Bash they become useless. I think we have to accept it as an occasional consequence of going in full-blooded. We don’t want players second-guessing themselves and hesitating when there are 50/50 balls to be won.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Agreed when I watch it again, it was a reckless tackle. One foot off the floor and right in front of the ref.

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That picture shows it was a poor challenge but it also unequivocally demonstrates that it most certainly was not a two footed tackle as others have indicated in the thread.


One of those that in this day and age of namby pamby football can be given as a red so won’t be overturned but I don’t think the lad’s committed a terrible sin. As I say, an instinctive tackle from someone who has grown up tackling a certain way only to have the goalposts moved.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

With high vis vests on, goggles, ear plugs and body protectors.

Don’t forget the hard hats which must be worn at all times.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Honestly I think freeze frames and slow motion can often make things look worse. Fairly certain it was his instep that caught their defender. It was a 60 40 ball in Bashams favour if anything and it wasn't like he jumped in two footed, just the players natural momentum into each other meant it was a strong challenge.

I may be in the minority but I dont even think it was a foul!

There’s such a fine line these days between a fair tackle and a red card. Unfortunately for Bash, I think his tackle fell just on the wrong side of that line but there’s so much inconsistency on these types of tackles that on another day, it might not even be given as a foul.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I may not be popular for saying this but Basham is relatively a better footballer than Monty, still no genius but a decent league one player.
Considerably more pace than Monty.
Monty was an embarrassingly poor premier league or championship midfielder with absolutely no pace and no ability.
Yes a real trier but absolutely nothing else his passing was woefull , he could hardy find one of his team mates if he was more than 5 yards away. I was so tired of watching him do a great tackle and him give the ball back the opposition.
I think some people a looking back with rose tinted glasses on.

Yeah I agree that Monty gave the ball away more than Bash does. He was a better destroyer than Bash but even worse on the ball. Basham also offers a little more in terms of goal threat. Both players who I have time for because they give their all for the cause despite their limited technical ability. If more talented players like Coutts, Baxter etc. were willing match their determination levels, they could play at a very high level.

 

[Bladesman]

That picture shows it was a poor challenge but it also unequivocally demonstrates that it most certainly was not a two footed tackle as others have indicated in the thread.


One of those that in this day and age of namby pamby football can be given as a red so won’t be overturned but I don’t think the lad’s committed a terrible sin. As I say, an instinctive tackle from someone who has grown up tackling a certain way only to have the goalposts moved.

True but its foot off the floor, studs showing, right into the other players shin and right in front of the ref.

In real time it looks like a half hearted challenge and clumsy. I think had the ref been further away he may have just given a yellow card.

 

[Good Pinch Of Snuff]

That set piece