Support for Chris Wilder thread

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I'm behind Wilder. As the post above, it doesn't mean we won't criticise where due, and to be fair, he's acted swiftly on the GK situation. He wasn't going to know Long was poor without playing him was he?

Obviously it's a bit different if we're in the bottom 4 come the JTW. But we're not there yet.
 



The (SU) boards always go with:

a) past performance - which is never a guarantee of future success - hence in recent times Clough & Adkins
and/or but usually just
b) price

Has been exactly the same for the past 57 years I have been a Blade, McCabe fits the mould perfectly.

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TC's Magic Boots said:
We need to get off his back, stop moaning and having unrealistic expectations, turn up and get behind the team. I know it's not easy in the situation we are in, but do we have an alternative if we want them to succeed ?
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Crowd on his back at BDTBL? Nothing to write home about on that front.
Crowd on his back on S24SU? Aye. Perhaps a few. But forums and real life crowds are totally different.

Though that soon can change. Another 1 from 12 scenario and then we'll see.

Would you still support him if we had 2/24 after eight games?
 
I agree Lydon that real life crowds and forums are totally different but it seems many on here are ready to slit their throats in disappointment after 4 games. If it was 2/24 after 8 games of course I would be more worried but in the context of 46 games it would still be early. So yes, I would support him at that point. However, if after 15 games we were on 5 points then the alarm bells would be ringing. I can't imagine it getting to that point but hey ho, you never know.
 
Billpuntonsbaldhead said:
The (SU) boards always go with:

a) past performance - which is never a guarantee of future success - hence in recent times Clough & Adkins
and/or but usually just
b) price

Has been exactly the same for the past 57 years I have been a Blade, McCabe fits the mould perfectly.

UTB
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Disagree, in the past we've usually chose the cheap or value for money option.

It's only recently that we've shown ambition by going for managers with great cv's
And paying them big salaries in order to attract the best (on paper).
The problem with big salaries is when you sack them and all their back room staff then it's at great expense to the club.

It's ironic that other clubs have been patient and done things on the cheap Burton, Walsall, Gillingham and still had great seasons.

Where as because we're the biggest club in league 1 we rightly demand and expect instant success and are willing to pay for it. In the past thst attitude tends to work but for some reason it's not worked for us.

You suspect we could have Jose Mourinho with Messi and Ronaldo up front and we'd still be bottom half.
 
LYDON said:
One of the first questions he should have asked.
What's the transfer budget?

He must've been happy with the answer given to take on the job.
Or did he accept because it's his dream to manage the club he supported/played for?
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Allow me an analogy. My local pub (now closed) went through around ten years of wilful negligence by the brewery. The landlords were changed with regularity and each one was worse than the previous encumbent. When things began to go downhill, a perennial whine from the landlords was 'as soon as we turn things around they (the brewery) move the goalposts, put up the rent' etc. The furnishings were allowed to deteriorate and attendance was no longer a pleasure. When I got talking to these landlords, I said 'If I was mad enough to take on a pub, when I was negotiating with the brewery, I'd make sure I had a fucking good lawyer on that side, and a fucking good accountant on that side.' This never seems to be the 'due diligence' (a.k.a. arse-covering) that applies to our managers. KM must tell them that 'We have a budget, and anything you bring in we'll let you have some to use for replacements.'

In other words, failure to get vital things down in writing at interview stage will come back to haunt them. Are our recent managers so grateful to get a manager's job at United that they allow themselves to be bamboozled by KM? Weir had never been a manager before. Clough must have been overjoyed at being given a chance at a team like United - having presided over 11 years (without any success) treading water at Derby. Adkins had been out of work for 6 months with no takers. CW would have found the chance of his boyhood dream job too good to turn down.

What I'm saying is, without cast iron guarantees on things like budgets, recruitment and sales being in the sole remit of the new manager, it's too late to moan when this doesn't materialise. It's not our fault, it's not KM's. It's the manager.

This isn't to say that I'm anti-CW. It's too early for that. But I have got growing concerns that the job may be too big for him.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Disagree, in the past we've usually chose the cheap or value for money option.

It's only recently that we've shown ambition by going for managers with great cv's
And paying them big salaries in order to attract the best (on paper).
The problem with big salaries is when you sack them and all their back room staff then it's at great expense to the club.

It's ironic that other clubs have been patient and done things on the cheap Burton, Walsall, Gillingham and still had great seasons.

Where as because we're the biggest club in league 1 we rightly demand and expect instant success and are willing to pay for it. In the past thst attitude tends to work but for some reason it's not worked for us.

You suspect we could have Jose Mourinho with Messi and Ronaldo up front and we'd still be bottom half.
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And here I was thinking adkins was on jobseekers when he came to us.

I think Mourinho would keep us up though.
 
Champagneblade said:
To me this feels a little like rock bottom but I do believe after 700 games Wilder knows what he's doing, however let's look at the magnitude of the task:

We had 49 players at one point in time last season. 55 if you incorporate the 6 new pros.

We have released, sold, ended the loan of or loaned out some 33 players. 4 of those remaining are listed and one is currently thinking over his future after a poor start to the season.

That is some cull by any measure.

On the flip side we've added 9 players new to their current surroundings.

I don't know any industry that could remove 60% of their workforce, downsize by 40%, have a 50% new staff and be expected to perform to their optimum in the first fortnight.

All whilst having a new leader with fresh ideals.

Not all the cogs in the wheel are arriving at the same time. Let's judge how recruitment went when the window closes.

Let's see how we are come Christmas when the team has had time to gel.

Such upheaval was required but we do have to be robust enough as fans to take some short term pain. Northampton started last year poorly and ended with 99 points. Let's show a little faith for once, myself included!
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Superb post.
 
Blade for Sale said:
Let's cut the fella some slack. The guy is clearly feeling the pressure and isn't going to get any better at his job with the fans on his back. He's a Blade desperate to succeed as we all are. He's worked (and been pretty successful) all his life in the lower echelons. This is a massive step up for him in terms of stature and expectation (if not league position) and whilst he clearly would have known this, knowing and experiencing are not the same thing. He knows as we all do that results haven't been good so far. Performances haven't been great but, barring a 30 min nightmare, they haven't been diabolical. Not too far form what you might expect form a side bedding in a new defence and 7/8 new signings in fact.

Chris, I'm behind you as are thousands of us. Replicate the intensity of those 1st 30 mins at Bolton and the results will come. I'd be shitting it too if I'd spent all my life racing stock cars and suddenly had to take on an F1 car with a dodgy clutch and wonky steering.

You'll get this right pal. UTB.
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Well, that's a glowing indictment of him not being up to the job, likely to fail and get us out of this league...... Into L2. But never mind, he's a blade so rara. Two lines into the OP and it's the feckin fans fault! Priceless.
Btw can you list the thousands of fans that you say are behind him? Or are you referring to those sat in the south stand behind the dugout?

For my part I'll put up with him cause I have no choice. But for the record think he's the worse thing to happen to this club since Adams!

So I'm out
 
Blade56 said:
Well, that's a glowing indictment of him not being up to the job, likely to fail and get us out of this league...... Into L2. But never mind, he's a blade so rara. Two lines into the OP and it's the feckin fans fault! Priceless.
Btw can you list the thousands of fans that you say are behind him? Or are you referring to those sat in the south stand behind the dugout?

For my part I'll put up with him cause I have no choice. But for the record think he's the worse thing to happen to this club since Adams!

So I'm out
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I'm IN but I don't sit behind the dugout . I'm in G block in the same stand though , does that count ?

Please don't tell me I've got to relocate ..... there's no fuckin ale chuckers behind the dugouts

Infact , while I think on there's no BMers there either , it's full of the prawn sarnie brigade from S2 .

Sweet mary mother of God , please don't tell me I've got to join THAT mob
 
coolhandluke said:
I'm IN but I don't sit behind the dugout . I'm in G block in the same stand though , does that count ?

Please don't tell me I've got to relocate ..... there's no fuckin ale chuckers behind the dugouts

Infact , while I think on there's no BMers there either , it's full of the prawn sarnie brigade from S2 .

Sweet mary mother of God , please don't tell me I've got to join THAT mob
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Don't knock 'em. I've just finish a smoked salmon Roulard for a garden party tomorrow, takes all sorts, but I'll be ont terraces come Satdi.
 
Caseh said:
I for the most part agree with you, as I did with the previous manager also. But I do wonder.. What would you do if we got to Christmas and are still bottom?
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Stick...

We might need to go down to rise again!
 



I'm behind him for now, despite most of this mess being his fault. If this keeps up though.......
 
Fully behind him (oo er).

Gets my full backing to do what he see's as fit with the squad too. If that means selling Sharp then so be it. We need someone to be strong and to force their own system on it - rather than doing as we have for the past few years and working a system to fit around the shit stains that are masquerading as our players.

Providing he can get some pace in to midfield/wide, plus an experienced centre half & midfielder then we'll turn this around.
 
Blade56 said:
Btw can you list the thousands of fans that you say are behind him? Or are you referring to those sat in the south stand behind the dugout?
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Well it's had 60 likes on here. Must extrapolate to thousands when the entire support taken into account! ;)
 
Yes, get behind him and give him a chance - but he needs to help himself out by stopping the hoof tactics.
 
I'm in for now, but the team has to show signs of some semblance of tactical shape and passing ability before I'm convinced.

On the evidence thus far, I'm bracing for a crash as opposed to a turn around and improvement....
 
I'm willing him to get it right ..disappointing start,but loads of new players and needing time to gel..also more to come in...If degenerates into Hoof though I reserve the right to U turn,but I don't think that's how he really wants to play..So right behind him.
 
grafikhaus said:
It's not our fault, it's not KM's. It's the manager.

This isn't to say that I'm anti-CW. It's too early for that. But I have got growing concerns that the job may be too big for him.
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I believe, although I don't believe many do, that your statement above is 100% correct.

I also believe that CW knows it too.

To finish, he does have my 100% support for now - some have said "give him time"............fine............but it still doesn't alter the fact of some glaring errors in player purchases, pre-season poor management and tactical errors that have littered the first 3 months tenure.

There is no place for sentiment at any football club, Blades fan or not as Micky Adams sadly found out.

6 years in this shithole of a division, and after a few games is almost certainly pointing to a 7th.

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Fulwood Blade said:
I believe, although I don't believe many do, that your statement above is 100% correct.

I also believe that CW knows it too.

To finish, he does have my 100% support for now - some have said "give him time"............fine............but it still doesn't alter the fact of some glaring errors in player purchases, pre-season poor management and tactical errors that have littered the first 3 months tenure.

There is no place for sentiment at any football club, Blades fan or not as Micky Adams sadly found out.

6 years in this shithole of a division, and after a few games is almost certainly pointing to a 7th.

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Very good post IMO.
Does Wilder give the impression he`s "on it" and "all over it like a rash"?
I sense that even in the short time he`s been in post the scale of the damn thing is overcoming him. I really want to be wrong.

Did Bassett or Warnock ever seem overwhlemed, not in control,not leading,not knowing what was needed,getting it and making us better?
Yes Warnock took 7 seasons and Bassett took us down.
Maybe I`m more cynical because of the car crash basket case we`ve become since being relegated from the prem.
Fucking joke. Not fucking funny.
 
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