brayford , exit stage right

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What proportion of Brayford's 2 years here weren't a "dip in form' , and how much of the £3,000,000 he's cost us do you think he's actually earned?

This has been the mother of all "dips" :)

We can all make numbers up, but how many players in the last 2 years or more have earned whatever they've cost us?

Then we could look at net cost, how many were talismanic in the best (& most valuable- say, £3.1m?) cup run in living history?
 

Ps, met the bloke a couple of times.
He, along with sharp, was without doubt the best at interacting with fans for a long time, and gave some extra value.
Don't get me wrong, what happens on the pitch comes first, but in dealings off the pitch brayford was always a top top bloke.
 
Yeah good luck to JB,great memories from when he first arrived...not been quite happening of late.
 
shit and shitterer - the Sheffield United right back story.

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Any England players or fans favourites been right back at all?
Sad indictment on 10 other positions that it's been our best (and most profitable, obvs) position ever.
Think we might have just levelled it up now tho..
 
We can all make numbers up, but how many players in the last 2 years or more have earned whatever they've cost us?

Then we could look at net cost, how many were talismanic in the best (& most valuable- say, £3.1m?) cup run in living history?
There's plenty of tissues and video footage for those wanting to live on the memory of a cup run from a few years ago.

We can all work out that £3,000,000 does a lot more damage than £300,000.


What's gone has as gone. For 2 years Brayford had done nothing. It's no dip, and it's extremely expensive. That's not made up.

UTB
 
Or, Adams & Brayford should do a lot more damage than whatever no marks/ journey men/ better value players wel'll have representing us tomorrow.
We're talking about Brayford, not Adams.

Adams is a loss. Brayford isn't.

UTB
 
Really not arsed about Brayford going. I loved the idea of him in the side but the reality was that he never performed after we signed him permanently, perhaps due in part to this injuries.

Whatever the case may be, the senior pros like Brayford, Basham and Sharp should have been the ones getting the best out of those around them and they haven't been recently. We need leaders, not passengers. Currently we have not enough of the former and too much of the latter.
 
Brayford was a purchase for the Championship. That's what we wanted and crucially he wanted. He was the man to push us on and give the morale boost needed at that time. Come on, we were ALL excited when he returned, we saw it as a statement of intent. Sadly, then 3 things happened; the Championship didn't happen, he got injured in the play offs and Clough got sacked.

After that he just didn't have the zest and desire he once had. He looked around and instead of being the million quid signing amongst other Championshio million quid signings he stood out. The club then went into off field meltdown over Ched's release and Adkins just never got it going on the field.

On his return Brayford looked like the life had been taken from him and some of his mistakes, especially in defensive positioning late last season were significant. Just when we could have made the 6th spot a few conceded goals directly linked to his poor positioning cost us. And I can't recall many marauding runs can last year?

Wilder arrives and I guess expected more, didn't get it and here we are. A sad state of man and club, but if he ain't defending well and ain't marauding well and has gone into his shell then best be gone.

Final question did we love the cult or did we love the player? The first bearded hipster footballer, the mini, the Bradley Wiggins look, the engagement with the fans and his bird ( phwooaarrr as my grandad would say!).

I just wonder if it was the cult and the hope he brought that we mourn and not so much the player?

UTB ( and yes I would class him as a Blade)
 
Since when (& Im going back to 67/68) did we ever replace anyone who was deemed of "BETTER QUALITY". Feeling well pissed off tonight - not just the Brayford episode, (although that's kind of like the icing 'off' the cake for me). its just the whole ethos of the club right now & of the last few years.
That's kinda the point I was trying to make (but badly, granted). We never have irrespective of owner, board or manager, even throughout the halcyon days of Lord Bassett!
 
It's a shame to read this today, I agree that the lads lost his "mojo" but wouldn't you if you were playing in a team totally devoid of talent who appear to be going down the route of hoofball...

I genuinely think we're heading for a terrible season, were a club in a tailspin who can't seem to get anything right, even when we did, the board didn't commit and hold onto the team who got to Wembley.. Add a decent striker to that team and a right winger, we'd have had a team to be reckoned with.... Sad day..
 
A beard and some posey pics on twitter couldn't hide the fact he has been a rank bad defender. Hopefully CW has someone lined up sharpish cos Freeman is very poor as well.
 
Brayford out of form /playing to get away/crocked from injury or whatever it really was the thing I can't get my head around is the amount of money we paid for him, the cost of his wages and the fact that he has gone on loan and with us subsidising his wages.

He's gone for the season - by which time he'll be another year older and worth even less when we try to sell him. So we end up with no extra transfer money, only an easement in the wages (combine this with whatever it cost to pay off Woolford and let him go to one of our relegation rivals) and no RB worthy of a place (Freeman is a total defensive liability).

If we had sold Brayford for £250k I could understand it even if I didn't like the financial loss. But this deal (with him getting a move under Clough when there was reported interest from other clubs) really sticks in my craw. Woolford going will have freed up a reasonable slice of wages for FFP.

So what is the driver here - are we going bust, was Brayford playing to get away or was he undermining the manager?
 

Are we assuming that we are paying a proportion of the beards wages, just on Alan Biggs' tweet where he assumed we might be paying part of his wages?
Thought i'd heard yesterday that we had waived a loan fee and Burton would pay all his wages.....
 
Are we assuming that we are paying a proportion of the beards wages, just on Alan Biggs' tweet where he assumed we might be paying part of his wages?
Thought i'd heard yesterday that we had waived a loan fee and Burton would pay all his wages.....

RS seemed to suggest Burton are paying the lot. They said something along the lines of, Brayfords wages are a big chunk of a saving for CW to make.
 
As it has been said above, for much of his 2nd time here my heart has ruled my head. After his first stint where he was brilliant and the fact you could see the player genuinely loved playing for us it became infectious to say the least. But unfortunately it's football that does the talking and he hasn't been himself since he came back from injury! So for me if we can get even just the wages it would be a good deal. I will give it at least till the Jan window before I start making judgment on the team or wilder. Rome wasn't built in a day and I think our main problem is the change of manager and player personnel at such high rate!! Give the manager a chance to put his mark on the team and squad, I'm sure Manchester United were glad they did with sir Alex.
 
Spot on Spadge. The main problem Wildthing has is that he is trying to change playing personnel so quickly (and he needed to / still needs to) and whilst he is trying to embed a new team with new players and new tactics, he now has to try and get his disjointed team to retain confidence and get reasonable to decent results to stay in the race. Its also an issue where Utd have to look to force games to try and win them as it is expected whereas other small clubs have far less expectancy in their shoulders from their fans. It wont get any easier for the first few months of the season either as there are still players to come in and learn their role in the team. What CW needs more than anything is time and patience as do the players really. If Wildthing does what i expect him too and brings in the right players then i expect to a significant upturn of results once new players have bedded in. Hes trying to rush players in now as he has a transfer deadline approaching and then thats it til January. In an ideal world CW would change it around at a slower pace but the majority of the fans wanted shut of most of the previous players (i did too) and this is a result of the large player turnover. Give it time, prepare for a few crap results early doors as they struggle form and settle in, then reap the rewards later in the season when results turn for the better.
 
Brayford was a purchase for the Championship. That's what we wanted and crucially he wanted. He was the man to push us on and give the morale boost needed at that time. Come on, we were ALL excited when he returned, we saw it as a statement of intent. Sadly, then 3 things happened; the Championship didn't happen, he got injured in the play offs and Clough got sacked.

After that he just didn't have the zest and desire he once had. He looked around and instead of being the million quid signing amongst other Championshio million quid signings he stood out. The club then went into off field meltdown over Ched's release and Adkins just never got it going on the field.

On his return Brayford looked like the life had been taken from him and some of his mistakes, especially in defensive positioning late last season were significant. Just when we could have made the 6th spot a few conceded goals directly linked to his poor positioning cost us. And I can't recall many marauding runs can last year?

Wilder arrives and I guess expected more, didn't get it and here we are. A sad state of man and club, but if he ain't defending well and ain't marauding well and has gone into his shell then best be gone.

Final question did we love the cult or did we love the player? The first bearded hipster footballer, the mini, the Bradley Wiggins look, the engagement with the fans and his bird ( phwooaarrr as my grandad would say!).

I just wonder if it was the cult and the hope he brought that we mourn and not so much the player?

UTB ( and yes I would class him as a Blade)
1st class post sir.

UTB
 
Spot on Spadge. The main problem Wildthing has is that he is trying to change playing personnel so quickly (and he needed to / still needs to) and whilst he is trying to embed a new team with new players and new tactics, he now has to try and get his disjointed team to retain confidence and get reasonable to decent results to stay in the race. Its also an issue where Utd have to look to force games to try and win them as it is expected whereas other small clubs have far less expectancy in their shoulders from their fans. It wont get any easier for the first few months of the season either as there are still players to come in and learn their role in the team. What CW needs more than anything is time and patience as do the players really. If Wildthing does what i expect him too and brings in the right players then i expect to a significant upturn of results once new players have bedded in. Hes trying to rush players in now as he has a transfer deadline approaching and then thats it til January. In an ideal world CW would change it around at a slower pace but the majority of the fans wanted shut of most of the previous players (i did too) and this is a result of the large player turnover. Give it time, prepare for a few crap results early doors as they struggle form and settle in, then reap the rewards later in the season when results turn for the better.

Reap the rewards, with precisely one good midfield player. That's a laugh.

We will be in the bottom 4 in January with this sort of squad building.
 
Reap the rewards, with precisely one good midfield player. That's a laugh.

We will be in the bottom 4 in January with this sort of squad building.

Admittedly, i agree that there has to be further team strengthening including good quality midfield players or we are shafted. We aint good enough at the moment thats for sure. CW knows this...its just whether he will be sufficiently backed to do what he needs but at least hes trying to sort it...probably with one arm tied behind his back.
 
Brayford, Cuvelier, Baxter, Scougall, Coutts and more all players that suit passing football and we wonder why they've all gone to shit.
Such a waste.
 
Brayford, Cuvelier, Baxter, Scougall, Coutts and more all players that suit passing football and we wonder why they've all gone to shit.
Such a waste.

2 crocks, 1 who couldn't stay off the sniff and 1 who seemingly can only play for 1 manager. Think most of these were destined to go to shit anyway mate.
 
Brayford, Cuvelier, Baxter, Scougall, Coutts and more all players that suit passing football and we wonder why they've all gone to shit.
Such a waste.
Cuvelier that couldn't get into either a Clough or an Adkins side? Baxter who's banned for a year? Scougall who Clough dropped and replaced with Holt? Coutts who has ever looked the same since his injury and never been consistently good for us under either Clough or Adkins?
We've been playing a passing game since they joined and they've all either started well and faded or just been poor from day 1.
 
wtf!! relegated.. sorry guys. this is Micky Adams the sequel
do i get a refund for my beard shirt
 
Brayford was a purchase for the Championship. That's what we wanted and crucially he wanted. He was the man to push us on and give the morale boost needed at that time. Come on, we were ALL excited when he returned, we saw it as a statement of intent. Sadly, then 3 things happened; the Championship didn't happen, he got injured in the play offs and Clough got sacked.

After that he just didn't have the zest and desire he once had. He looked around and instead of being the million quid signing amongst other Championshio million quid signings he stood out. The club then went into off field meltdown over Ched's release and Adkins just never got it going on the field.

On his return Brayford looked like the life had been taken from him and some of his mistakes, especially in defensive positioning late last season were significant. Just when we could have made the 6th spot a few conceded goals directly linked to his poor positioning cost us. And I can't recall many marauding runs can last year?

Wilder arrives and I guess expected more, didn't get it and here we are. A sad state of man and club, but if he ain't defending well and ain't marauding well and has gone into his shell then best be gone.

Final question did we love the cult or did we love the player? The first bearded hipster footballer, the mini, the Bradley Wiggins look, the engagement with the fans and his bird ( phwooaarrr as my grandad would say!).

I just wonder if it was the cult and the hope he brought that we mourn and not so much the player?

UTB ( and yes I would class him as a Blade)
Once again those responsible for the stewardship of the club, those entrusted with formulating a coherent long term sustainable strategy and one which will advance the club, have failed miserably - yet again.

Ok, so 18 months ago we buy Brayford, for a reported £1.5m and on a reported wage of £10k per week - might not be accurate but for this purpose lets go with these numbers. The investment therefore since date of acquisition totals by my reckoning £2.45m (£1.5m transfer fee + 78 weeks x £10k + 20% for other on costs NI & pension etc) - not an inconsiderable amount of money for (1) a right back and (2) a third division club - agreed?

The club having committed this level of funds towards this 1 player should, in my opinion, have made this investment in harmony with the playing style to be adopted, ensured that this player was of the right calibre and that then management team would go on to build a team around this individual & thus advance the club.

What, arguably, we have seen happen was an emotionally fueled decision to purchase an individual and not necessarily a player - there is a distinction between the two & one who was able to contribute or enhance the overall team performance - both Adkins and Wilder have spoken about individuals not playing according to the plan - Brayford?

To further infuriate matters, it has even been reported that the club is funding a significant proportion of wages in order to allow the loan move.

I have read a number of contributors comments on this forum who have expressed the view that Brayford's departure is no loss and based on current form and the players state of mind and fitness (there is a growing feeling that his last injury is worse & carries a longer lasting threat to his overall playing ability) - Views I would agree with.

However there is a more serious loss that has been had, namely a significant financial loss, the failure of yet another (short term knee jerk) plan and the loss of yet more time in putting together a sustainable plan & management team able to drive the club forward.
 

Once again those responsible for the stewardship of the club, those entrusted with formulating a coherent long term sustainable strategy and one which will advance the club, have failed miserably - yet again.

Ok, so 18 months ago we buy Brayford, for a reported £1.5m and on a reported wage of £10k per week - might not be accurate but for this purpose lets go with these numbers. The investment therefore since date of acquisition totals by my reckoning £2.45m (£1.5m transfer fee + 78 weeks x £10k + 20% for other on costs NI & pension etc) - not an inconsiderable amount of money for (1) a right back and (2) a third division club - agreed?

The club having committed this level of funds towards this 1 player should, in my opinion, have made this investment in harmony with the playing style to be adopted, ensured that this player was of the right calibre and that then management team would go on to build a team around this individual & thus advance the club.

What, arguably, we have seen happen was an emotionally fueled decision to purchase an individual and not necessarily a player - there is a distinction between the two & one who was able to contribute or enhance the overall team performance - both Adkins and Wilder have spoken about individuals not playing according to the plan - Brayford?

To further infuriate matters, it has even been reported that the club is funding a significant proportion of wages in order to allow the loan move.

I have read a number of contributors comments on this forum who have expressed the view that Brayford's departure is no loss and based on current form and the players state of mind and fitness (there is a growing feeling that his last injury is worse & carries a longer lasting threat to his overall playing ability) - Views I would agree with.

However there is a more serious loss that has been had, namely a significant financial loss, the failure of yet another (short term knee jerk) plan and the loss of yet more time in putting together a sustainable plan & management team able to drive the club forward.
bang on.. spend serious money at this level for 'one' player and then wonder why he was struggling when you sell the only players that were any good and replace them with league two players?
 

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