senseless abuse of George Long

[Alfreton14Blade]

But other than making themselves feel better, what exactly are they achieving?

It just seemed an instinctive, mass reaction. There's no logical purpose to it, so it's not really realistic to look at it in terms of trying to achieve something. It just happened, as these things do.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

The gist of your post was that abuse was common 50 years ago.

It didn't make it right then and it didn't make our players perform better in the 70's either.

I'm not some dainty PC knob, I just don't see why anyone would abuse one of their own players who is trying.



Now as Linz says, I'm all for vitriolic abuse of the opposing team.

Unfortunately,trying or otherwise,performing at a level way below even Division 3 expectation isn`t acceptable.
Long copped for frustration and anger built up over time and caused by serial generic gashness. It`s human nature and not a Blades thing at all.

BTW,aren`t you a tad hypocritical advocating it`s fine to visit vile abuse on the other team? They`re all someones sons you know.

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

I think being 'one of us' does, or should make a difference.
If my neighbour did something wrong, I'd be patient and forgiving to a point.
If my sister did something wrong, I'd be more patience and forgiving.

People who have a need to demonstrate rage towards anyone, generally are disappointed with an aspect of their own existence.
For the humble football fan, it might be something as simple as having the piss taken by a Wednesdayite work colleague driving the frustration that manifests in abuse.
We're all pissed-off to be in this league, but that isn't any one player's fault.
Maybe we should be less self-centred and look at the situation as a whole.
If George isn't worthy of his place, CW will sort it at the right time in the right way.
Launching a tirade of demeaning insults so you can walk away with a feeling of 'well that told him' (as if he didn't already know) achieves nothing other than to make the abuser feel better.
Sounds a bit like bullying to me.

Yes, the error cost us two points, but where were the sarcastic cheers when Leon Clarke finally got one on target after missing two sitters at Bolton which cost us not 2, but 3 points?

 

[Barney]

The abuse is clearly out of order to anyone with a brain, and although the OP is not making this point it's important to keep in mind that that doesn't make his performances any better. Time for an experienced head between the sticks.

 

[sheffielder]

Unfortunately,trying or otherwise,performing at a level way below even Division 3 expectation isn`t acceptable.
Long copped for frustration and anger built up over time and caused by serial generic gashness. It`s human nature and not a Blades thing at all.

BTW,aren`t you a tad hypocritical advocating it`s fine to visit vile abuse on the other team? They`re all someones sons you know.

Used to be we would consider our players as one of our own.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

If you're there when any abuse is made to any player.
Do you do anything to stop the abuse?

That's how the Nazis took control of Germany.

 

[sheffielder]

If you're there when any abuse is made to any player.
Do you do anything to stop the abuse?

That's how the Nazis took control of Germany.

Unfortunately the ones doing the abusing don't have a brain to reason with.

 

[Sean Thornton]

If you're there when any abuse is made to any player.
Do you do anything to stop the abuse?

That's how the Nazis took control of Germany.

With George Long in goal? I doubt it.

 

[Bartleby]

Now as Linz says, I'm all for vitriolic abuse of the opposing team.

seems to be a lost art that, like vitriolic abuse of the opposing fans (verbal of course, not condoning any of the shit that went on outside the ground back then!!)

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

If you see it / hear it and say nothing, do nothing... you're just as bad as the abuser(s).

It's that easy.

 

[Sean Thornton]

seems to be a lost art that, like vitriolic abuse of the opposing fans (verbal of course, not condoning any of the shit that went on outside the ground back then!!)

But difficult when they make more noise.

 

[Barney]

The gist of your post was that abuse was common 50 years ago.

It didn't make it right then and it didn't make our players perform better in the 70's either.

I'm not some dainty PC knob, I just don't see why anyone would abuse one of their own players who is trying.



Now as Linz says, I'm all for vitriolic abuse of the opposing team.

Why? That's just as dumb and stupid.

They're all human ffs.

 

[Bartleby]

But difficult when they make more noise.

yes, and it's really annoying when team doesn't oblige by producing anything to shut them up

 

[Sean Thornton]

yes, and it's really annoying when team doesn't oblige by producing anything to shut them up

Fantasist.

 

[Bartleby]

Fantasist.

my first game was in the John Harris era when we were top of the league, now I can only dream

 

['Doc' Pace my hero]

I remember when John Gannon was the 'fall guy' in Dave Bassetts side,on one occasion he had an absolute stinker and took some real stick.The bloke near me said "If you keep bollocking him he'll never drop him, it's only when you stop that he will" and that is exactly what happened.

 

[I should coco]

Why? That's just as dumb and stupid.

They're all human ffs.

Human yes, but who cares when you need 3 points?

I want the Blades to win and if abusing the opposition helps to put them off, then fine by me.

Experience tells me that abusing my own players is counter productive, hence I don't do it.

Not that your view on abuse in grounds would be all that relevant would it, given you don't go?

BTW,aren`t you a tad hypocritical advocating it`s fine to visit vile abuse on the other team?

Yes and no.

 

[Barney]

Human yes, but who cares when you need 3 points?

I want the Blades to win and if abusing the opposition helps to put them off, then fine by me.

Experience tells me that abusing my own players is counter productive, hence I don't do it.

Not that your view on abuse in grounds would be all that relevant would it, given you don't go?

Why have you got it in your head that I'm not going this season? Who cares? Erm, the players you're throwing the abuse at? What about leaving the match be and letting the best team win, with no abusive interference from the sidelines, eh? Is that beyond you? Try and justify it however you like, but unfortunately it can't be justified.

 

[I should coco]

What about leaving the match be and letting the best team win, with no abusive interference from the sidelines, eh? Is that beyond you?

It's well beyond me. I want the Blades to win so will happily regale an opposition goalkeeper with tales of his wife's sexual exploits when I'm near enough.

Try and justify it however you like, but unfortunately it can't be justified.

That's a tortology. What you mean is that you don't accept my justification, rather than a 100% fact that 'it can't be justified'. In any event, I would say to you:

'Ner, ner, ner ner, ner, you smell of poo'

No offence meant, obvs....

 

[sitwell]

I feel sorry for him ,he has done incredibly well to get where he has done ,but he is clearly out of his depth at this level. Its not his fault he gets picked and well done for getting this far but he does need replacing both for Utd and George. I know that sounds patronising but not meant to be ,just the reality of the situation.

 

[Jonboy60]

I feel sorry for him ,he has done incredibly well to get where he has done ,but he is clearly out of his depth at this level. Its not his fault he gets picked and well done for getting this far but he does need replacing both for Utd and George. I know that sounds patronising but not meant to be ,just the reality of the situation.

Like you say sitters, if he's getting picked he's going to play. And well aware of the abuse he's going to get from behind the goals. I think CW should have a quiet word, and take him out of the firing line, before his confidence is shot, if not already.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

I remeber his first clanger he had an accompliss Harry Maguire,Yeovil scored 4 at BDTBL, dont think Long has recovered from it to this day.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Sorry if it's bean mentioned elsewhere in fact no scrap that it deserves it's own thread. While I agree he dropped a major clanger Saturday which cost us 2 points, I just don't get why anyone would give him the amount of abuse he received from his own fans sat behind the goal. It actually started from about the second minute when I think it was Wilson headed away from the edge of the box "That wer tha's George" how he was supposed to get to it I don't know. That sort of stuff along with "tha rubbish George" all of which he can hear obviously knocks his confidence, then he made the mistake of flapping at one "fucking wage stealing bastard" amongst others rang out. Then the save I shouted "reyt save George" the only positive comment he received all half. Then the clanger well "your a discrace to this club George" and many more, but it was at half time when he ran back to pick his bottle of water up out of his net the vile abuse with grown men slavering words out spitting with rage that was a discrace. Yes George I agree I wish they would "fuck off" too. I'll finish off with this I took the 9 year old DLFT jnr for a half time slash we get in he says " Dad why were they abusing our own keeper like that" I replied "No idea son I don't see the point in coming or choosing to sit where they do just to hurl abuse at Long" The reply from a 9 year old " There not blades them are they Dad" no son they are fukin not.

Couldn’t agree more. We were saying similar at the game and don’t worry mate, you weren’t the only one congratulating him on a very good save before that clanger.


Worst of all for me was the ironic cheers every time he collected a routine ball. That’s the sort of thing the opposing support do to unnerve a ‘keeper but we know we’ve got a young GK who has a mistake in him and can be a bit fragile confidence wise so we do that to him? I honestly thing some of our ‘fans’ take pleasure in individual failings just so they can direct their hate somewhere. What else can they possibly be hoping to achieve?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I've never booed individual players or the team for that matter. I can understand fans frustrations but I just fail to see how booing is going to improve the situation.

Cue some clever c*** to claim "oh so it's the fans fault is it".

I generally agree. I can remember booing once. Bradford at home in 2014/15 season. Near the end of the season, 1-1- and a win would guarantee a playoff place. They go down to 10 men and instead of going for the win, we star timewasting to hold on for a draw against their 10 men. That attitude really boiled my piss and I vented my spleen at them. But generally, I take the view that positive noise is far more likely to have a positive effect on what we see on the pitch.

 

[blade too long]

DLFT,


Explain to him that SUFC have spent most of their history in the top flight (Premier League).

If his son is under 23 he will have seen us 1 season in the top flight, and that one getting relegated

so his history will be pretty light on the word most
since we were relegated in 75 , weve had 5 seasons in the top flight in 41 years, 2 of those relegation seasons
when has 12 per cent been most
Im 63 weve had less than 35 per cent of my time watching them in the top flight
weve had longer in league one than the top flight in the past 40 years

soon as we realise that we might be able to be less critical

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Deja-vu from the Gillingham game last season, in both the error and the reaction. He didn't appear to go to pieces in quite the same way following the reaction at the weekend mind, though the damage was already done and he was largely untested the rest of the game. I hope the reliable and healthy experienced keeper is on his way soon...

I hope Ramsdale has a thick skin, because needless to say if he makes a few errors when given the chance he's unlikely to find a patient supportive crowd behind him. Twas forever thus – the Quinn abuse is mentioned above, but I'll never forget the poisonous reaction at the end of 2004/05 when youngsters Forte and (debutant?) Sharp both missed a sitter in front of the Kop.

Jonathan Forte has suffered the worst abuse by our fans that I’ve seen any United player endure but not at the time you said. It was MK Dons at home in 2013 when he missed a sitter in front of the kop and he got absolutely hammered including plenty of disgraceful individual shouts which made reference to the colour of his skin whilst abusing him. Felt ashamed to be a blade that day.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

i think that's the problem, confidence is too fragile. When he used to be the in and j watched him at half time he seems to have all the confidence in the world, however put him between the sticks and the area becomes smaller and he hesitates that split second too long, like getting up after the mistake on Saturday.

Unfortunately because he's one of our own he's unlikely to gain much favour with his own fans for some reason and it's been the same since he made his debut.

as far as I know georgeebhasnt complained about it, just decent people who don't any to listen to it.

Think I would have booed a few others before long for lack of effort but I choose to mumble on my mates

Some seem to think it’s George’s fault that we’ve managed a total of 1 shot on goal during our first 180 minutes of league football this season.

 

[Bladesince59]

Let's all not upset George - it's only 12 to 18 points over the season and a few million quid after all.

 

[Finnieston]

Jeez Louise.
Have some of you just started going since football became a middle class pastime?
Clearly no-one went in the 70`s 80`s or 90`s when abusing anything that moved was part of the match day experience.

Bringing things up to date,unfortunately Blades fans have suffered a largely ceasless diet of utter fucking crap for nearly a decade, and whilst it might be nice if everyone was able to accept that everytime they go to watch the team that plays for the club their hearts beat for that was likely to be the case, and would be met with sage and wise understanding,unfortunately that ain`t so.

I am sorry Long got/gets abuse during games,but unfortunately he is probably now just viewed by most as just another sub standard wage thieving parasite keeping the club down in the basement.

Blades fans are no different than any others in this respect,although I`d argue that 19k after what`s been on offer seemingly since God was a boy actually suggests they`re rather special.

Its simple dont go............nobody makes anyone attend..Its not compulsory Problem solved..

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Its simple dont go............nobody makes anyone attend..Its not compulsory Problem solved..

Who shouldn`t go and what problem is solved?