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So, as we can't out bid Premiership teams and can't afford the benchwarmers, who would you bring in to strengthen the team?
Drastic changes?
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happyhippy
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It's not a completely transferable analogy. The world of a footballer is magnified to such a degree it's totally distorted. We see the product of a week's work for 90 minutes (180 if there's a midweek match) per week. How that work, with the whole squad, is borne out in the public displays is entirely down to the squad selection and tactics employed by the manager.
To use your analogy, if you are told by your manager to include poor practice in your day-to-day work, and/or to work outside of your remit, or in an unfamiliar area, you then do this and it all falls apart at the seams, where does the blame lie?
I'm sure there's a hefty amount of Devil's Advocate in what you say, but I honestly think we're beyond that now, and changes have to be made.
silverfox
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I think that backs up what I said even more to be honest.
Although I do agree things need to change.....as we all do!
"So if my manager doesn't motivate me every morning I don't have to bother??
I still do a good days work no matter what any manager says or does. If you don't that's your choice.
Not saying he should be here but if you think it's just his fault I don't agree."
not saying it is all robsons fault but the buck stops with him. say you missed a delivery, the top boss isnt going to sack all you employees hell go for the manager for not motivating people and getting it done on schedule.
i get motivated every morning, and talked through what we are going to do that day and in what order, everyone knows what to be done and it gets done.
"Whats the best way to help in get players battling for the team?, getting behind them, making them feel like 10-men and that they have 26k+ people behind them willing them on..... or shouting at them every time they make a mistake, calling them a "fucking pussy" and "useless girly cunt" because they've just been elbowed in the face and happen to be pouring with blood?"
so your happy to sit down and cheer on something awful and not want anything to change. yeah come on lads, youve just neshed that challenge and lost your marker, but hey ill clap you so your feelings dont get hurt.
its a 2 way thing, the crowd has got behind the team numerous occasions but nothing from mr motivate on the touchline and nothing from the players. it takes 2 to tango. and i dont recall and one shouting you pussy at a player being elbowed in the face, i must be going tone deaf and blind as usually what happens is we shout at the opposition for doing a dirty challenge.
I still do a good days work no matter what any manager says or does. If you don't that's your choice.
Not saying he should be here but if you think it's just his fault I don't agree."
not saying it is all robsons fault but the buck stops with him. say you missed a delivery, the top boss isnt going to sack all you employees hell go for the manager for not motivating people and getting it done on schedule.
i get motivated every morning, and talked through what we are going to do that day and in what order, everyone knows what to be done and it gets done.
"Whats the best way to help in get players battling for the team?, getting behind them, making them feel like 10-men and that they have 26k+ people behind them willing them on..... or shouting at them every time they make a mistake, calling them a "fucking pussy" and "useless girly cunt" because they've just been elbowed in the face and happen to be pouring with blood?"
so your happy to sit down and cheer on something awful and not want anything to change. yeah come on lads, youve just neshed that challenge and lost your marker, but hey ill clap you so your feelings dont get hurt.
its a 2 way thing, the crowd has got behind the team numerous occasions but nothing from mr motivate on the touchline and nothing from the players. it takes 2 to tango. and i dont recall and one shouting you pussy at a player being elbowed in the face, i must be going tone deaf and blind as usually what happens is we shout at the opposition for doing a dirty challenge.
It would seem to me that the Robson apologists are far more dismissive of the people who are pissed off with the current regime than the other way round. That's fine by me; I couldn't care less what anyone thought of me, particularly people I don't even know.
silverfox
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Who is apologising for Robson?
happyhippy
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To be fair, I don't think there are too many "Sornob apologists", as much as people who are just trying to take a step back, and not fly in swingeing.
silverfox
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No i'm not and I don't. I just don't happen to think a torrent of abuse every time someone makes a mistake is particularly supportive or constructive. Neither do I think chanting an opposition managers name, booing or shouting for someone to be sacked helps our cause in the slightest.
I get just as frustrated with mistakes/bad play than anyone, i'd just rather try and lift the said player/team by getting behind them rather than calling them every name under the sun and deciding they'll be shit forever more. This doesn't mean I sit blindly clapping them as I said, it means getting behind them, singing songs (not that they have the touch of a rapist or they should be sacked), praising them when they've done well.
If that makes me an idiot, apologies, i've done it all my blades supporting life and will continue to do it. If that means in some peoples eyes i'm not a fan who wants the best for the team, thats their opinion... in my experience i'll be around far more often than they are, taking pleasure from watching and supporting the blades.
A number of the crowd have been far from supportive all season, I can understand why, but I fail to see how the crowd as a whole can get on their high horse and claim they've done their part all season.
You wouldnt recall that incident or others I hear, because you don't sit in the same places as me very often, that comment specifically was aimed at Bromby whilst he was laid on the floor bleeding on Saturday. Followed by "you fucking clueless muppet Robson why are you bringing Stead back and leaving nobody up front again, you fucking drunk"... whilst the defence were signalling for Hulse to come and help defend as we'd lost Bromby for the set piece.
That is small fry compared to the level of abuse i've heard plenty of people spewing out all season, a lot of the time within earshot of players.
I've no problem with people voicing their opinions, no matter how much I disagree with them, I just personally feel there are far more constructive ways of showing the passion you have for the blades.
happyhippy
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Far too sensible post!
Wait for a few more apple juices to go down the neck along with some Russian Cola, and normal service will be resumed
silverfox
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So what happens when it doesn't??
happyhippy
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Mixed feelings here to be honest mate. Some of the volleys of abuse have been thoroughly vile that have been aimed at players, and can't possibly help. Booing our side can only be counter productive; they know that things aren't going well. I'm sure that they don't ever think "Ooh, they're booing. This will spur us on to victory!", as much as "Just get me in the dressing room away from all this.".
The Warnock chants were inevitable given our position, and Palace's relative to when St Neil went there. I didn't join in, but I could understand it. As for the sporadic "Sornob Out" chants, I'm sorry, but I think they're thoroughly justified, and have been for some time. Supporting the players is one thing, but blindly following a manager who is as useful as a handbrake on a canoe is another.
How else are we to show our frustration, especially when, as far as I'm concerned, the blame lies fair and squarely at his feet?
Foxy said:
I do the same, but at the same time, I'll show my dissatisfaction with the manager as well.
Foxy said:
Let's face it Foxy, there are some in the crowd who'd have been moaning if we'd won both Cups last year, but only finished second by a goal in the League. There are however many more voices this year. I wonder if they're the people who bought season tickets last year expecting Chelsea this year instead of Colchester? Not an excuse, but it might explain why there's been more negativity than we'd normally expect.
Foxy said:
Indeed. He was led off just in front of where we were and I could clearly see him gesturing to Stead (who spent 25 minutes warming up in front of us, for some reason) that his mouth was bleeding, or that he'd lost a tooth (the former, I'd reckon), but there were a few unkind comments before he went off.
Foxy said:
Against the players can't be constructive, as I've said, but short of 26,000 "Disgusted of Beauchief" letters arriving on a weekly basis on King Kev's desk, how can we be more constructive with regard to the 'manager' (and I use the term loosely)?
silverfox
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So what has Robson said this weekend??
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By your own admission, Geary wasn't good enough at the weekend. Should Robson have realised this despite his track record of actually being outstanding?
Same with Carney, he had his best game for the club the other week, was poor in the derby.
Rob Hulse was a shining light in our time in the premiership, he wasn't very successful yesterday.
I'd suggest the comments mean more that the players aren't living up to the expectations he's got of them, given their previous performances/their training. I imagine when he gave the players mentioned new contracts, he did so on the condition that they would do certain things and that they would show the commitment/drive/fight that is required, that they would make their places their own.
Many people say our team is good enough to be doing much better, many people slag off our players... whilst I don't agree with a manager coming out and slating his players, they do have to take some responsibility, I imagine this is what he's getting at. In his own way, I think its more an attempt to get them to show that they are good enough for their place.
Its not as simple as if they aren't good enough then replace them.... If we had players that were good enough to win every week we'd be top of the premiership and have the best team in the world. If we replaced them every time they played badly, we'd run out of players to try.
happyhippy
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Which he's done at least twice in his time here already, not to mention singling at least one out for special public criticism. If that doesn't show what a pillock he is, then I don't know what will.
why not say it to there faces they need more instead of saying it to the press.
players like geary are bound to have an off game, its his first one in a baldes shirt. it makes no sense of that what you posted by my admission? whats that suppose to mean? players like keef and naysmith arnt good enough and hes started dropping them recently.
players like geary are bound to have an off game, its his first one in a baldes shirt. it makes no sense of that what you posted by my admission? whats that suppose to mean? players like keef and naysmith arnt good enough and hes started dropping them recently.
keenzy said:
because all he is doing is trying to divert the blame away from himself, and onto the players. Probably because he knows that he is the least favourite person at BDTBL at the moment.
IMO the time has far passed for him to prove that he is worthy. With such little time in the transfer window remaining he needs to move and move now. Prove to the faithful blade supporter that you are in fact the right person to take us forward. And dont give me any B*****ks about money. If the dirty Scum in west yorkshire can pick players up for next to nothing (and good players at that) then that excuse just wont wash.............not with this blade anyway
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I think its partly this and partly that he thinks it'll give the players a kick up the back side.... not sure it won't have the opposite effect though.
I mean Keenzy, that you said Geary wasn't good enough on saturday... Should Robson have predicted this as you said and shipped him out?... or is it possible that players, off their own backs, can play poorly? How many games do we take to form a basis of whether they are good enough or not?
Some people have already decided on Lee Martin in that one game (well actually, a few had already decided before he'd kicked a ball), so does this mean that Geary also isn't good enough?
dingledog
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I think we are missing the point here chaps, some players undoubtedly had poor games on Saturday, below what we might resonably expect. Tha said the problem is that we do not play as a team, play for one another, it was a shocking team performance and diabolical tactics and the blame for that rest solely at the door of Mr Robson.
mightyblade88
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I just feel though that if we sack Robson and the new man who comes in does a similar job then do we sack him and so on...
We would have to re-evaluate at that point.
Lets face it, Robbo wasn't wanted in the first place by the majjority of the fans, it has been made clear his inability to manage well at prevous teams.
I do feel we have not took one step forward sicne relegation, but have gone about 8 steps back. Is this because of a transition in play? Well..... we can all judge for ourselves.
the only way that robson will get the sack is if we do get relegated.
I would like to point out at this time that no matter how much i disagree with the manager, or dont beleive that he is the right man for the job, I would not, and could not accept us being relegated just to be rid of the manager. i would rather moan about his tacticly inept decisions for the remainder of his contract and watch the blades finish a poor mid table than see us relegated to league 1
I would like to point out at this time that no matter how much i disagree with the manager, or dont beleive that he is the right man for the job, I would not, and could not accept us being relegated just to be rid of the manager. i would rather moan about his tacticly inept decisions for the remainder of his contract and watch the blades finish a poor mid table than see us relegated to league 1
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