Do we need to pay any transfer fees where we are at?

[Woodwardfan]

Game changing investment?

Is that like the overseas marketing opportunities post we created and had filled which appeared out of fucking nowhere and yet was announced?

People on here were like 'why don't you ask McCabe about it yourself?' Or even engage with a former European football thug about his role. It was all 'trust Phipps/The Saudi/McCabe', yet the sum total of his appointment or efforts is ... what? We don't even know if he is still employed in the role, how much it cost to employ him, what his expenses were or what his net return was.

Face it, the GCI scam (and it was that, even I was drawn in) was simply a fucking smokescreen and a way of making some poor overseas schmuck part with his cash to prop up a failing club. Once the Prince realised his ten mil had effectively been shat down the pan on shit signings, paying off daft appointments and a unneeded new playing surface he was goneski (whilst retaining his 50%, mind)

pommpey

You forgot to mention the pitch for a change.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Silly.

True Woody and agree with you . The commitment and investment has always been there from the McCabes , in fact at certain times too much commitment as with Clough . It's easy for fans to knock the board and then manager . Wonder when the honeymoon period will be over for Wilder .

What we have to remember , millions of pounds in the past has been wasted at the lane , ok McCabes fault and money , but we can never say investments has not been there . Tried yes , failed yes.

 

[Ricky]

Are you talking about the managers who signed the players or the club that coughed up the money Ricky?

There's 'coughing up the money' and there's thoughtlessly wasting it due to incompetence and a lack of care. No way should the club have allowed Clough to run amok in the way he did.

 

[pommpey]

You forgot to mention the pitch for a change.

'Unneeded new playing surface'.

However you want to brush over the tracks, the trail of rank incompetence and nest feathering is right there. 12 months ago you and I were arguing about much of the same thing and you were pleading for clemency for McCabe and the regime.

Do you have any details about Baki and hos deliverables to the club, by the way?

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Silly.

What is silly about it?

Can you show me how much has been invested to change our game?

Secondly, let me show you our league position since that ridiculous statement was made.

pommpey

 

[sheffielder]

You're making me chuckle, you're putting fires out on every thread.
You've genuinely made me feel daft about some of my moaning and pessimism but as a whole we are a very fickle lot.
Charlton have had a good couple of days, there's no denying that but 1 or two more quality signings and even the most cynical of us will start to relax and look forward to the season.

Believe me, I have gone absolutely mental at times, not signing coady was the end of clough in my eyes. He wanted to make all his signings early that summer, I bet most wish we had waited.

I am in the minority I know but I believe wilder is worth another 15 points by himself and his mentality. We must have come from behind to then lose about 8 or 9 times last year and I don't see that happening again. We just need wilder to find players to fit this high pressure system he plays.

 

[Woodwardfan]

There's 'coughing up the money' and there's thoughtlessly wasting it due to incompetence and a lack of care. No way should the club have allowed Clough to run amok in the way he did.

So when they told him his transfer dealings would be scrutinised he threw his dummy out and said things which had to get him the sack. If you think the owners/board were a year late in doing so, then I agree with you. Otherwise a manager of his standing and status in the club surely had to have a load of power and authority right until it was obvious he had blown it and all the money.

 

[Connorse1]

There's Graham Kelly as a defender too.

 

[pommpey]

Believe me, I have gone absolutely mental at times, not signing coady was the end of clough in my eyes. He wanted to make all his signings early that summer, I bet most wish we had waited.

I am in the minority I know but I believe wilder is worth another 15 points by himself and his mentality. We must have come from behind to then lose about 8 or 9 times last year and I don't see that happening again. We just need wilder to find players to fit this high pressure system he plays.

Yeah. He'll find them. Will McCabe stump up to buy them?

Or will it be 'buy cheap and undisclosed it' or 'raid the loan market'?

pommpey

 

[Blade21]

New poster here (regular reader)

I would agree that investment has been made there is no denying that fact, but game changing? Really I don't think that's how it can be described.
I mean we have only really re-invested what we have recouped in transfer fees plus a little bit more, people go on about clough and his (wasted millions), but the fact of the matter is bristol had the highest budget that season they were going about signings pretty much the way Charlton are now.
Until the incompetents that run this club go nothing is really going to change. All I can see is some of the most loyal fans in the country getting taken for mugs season after season and it quite frankly stinks.

 

[Woodwardfan]

What is silly about it?

Can you show me how much has been invested to change our game?

Secondly, let me show you our league position since that ridiculous statement was made.

pommpey

Sorry Pommpey I wasted a lot of my time on you 12 months ago as you say. You are like an old gramophone player with the needle stuck. At least give the manager a few games in a 'united environment'. Are all your posts in your library by any chance, or cut and paste?

 

[Ricky]

So when they told him his transfer dealings would be scrutinised he threw his dummy out and said things which had to get him the sack. If you think the owners/board were a year late in doing so, then I agree with you. Otherwise a manager of his standing and status in the club surely had to have a load of power and authority right until it was obvious he had blown it and all the money.

He shouldn't have been allowed such control over player wages. The club should always have a reasonable wage structure that is stuck to, they have to take responsibility for straying away from that so easily. They put a (baseless and undeserved) level of trust in him that went way beyond what's right. We're a big football club, Nigel Clough is a bang average manager at best, as his record showed before we appointed him. Yet they allowed us to be completely at his mercy, right in the palm of his hand.

 

[sheffielder]

He shouldn't have been allowed such control over player wages. The club should always have a reasonable wage structure that is stuck to, they have to take responsibility for straying away from that so easily. They put a (baseless and undeserved) level of trust in him that went way beyond what's right. We're a big football club, Nigel Clough is a bang average manager at best, as his record showed before we appointed him. Yet they allowed us to be completely at his mercy, right in the palm of his hand.

There is someone you're forgetting in all that mess, Mal Brannigan. He was the link man and that was the boards mistake in trusting him

 

[pommpey]

Sorry Pommpey I wasted a lot of my time on you 12 months ago as you say. You are like an old gramophone player with the needle stuck. At least give the manager a few games in a 'united environment'. Are all your posts in your library by any chance, or cut and paste?

You'll probably notice, I don't criticise the manager. I haven't since ... possibly Weir and only then by the time we looked like we were almost beyond salvation.

I have advocated giving managers, Clough, Wilson, Blackwell, Adkins ... and now Wilder, a lot more time to get their shit sorted. But what you don't do is sell their best fucking players out from under their feet and offer instructions to buy cheap/lend/loan and sack the cunt when miraculously we are dragging like a snake's dick come April of each season.

Two issues. Selling talent and failing to replace or reinforce talent. That needs money and the manager has fuck all. This season he has fuck all either as we have shat 400 grand down the pan by cynically dropping the ST price by 10% just to save McCabe's arse.

pommpey

 

[Woodwardfan]

You'll probably notice, I don't criticise the manager. I haven't since ... possibly Weir and only then by the time we looked like we were almost beyond salvation.

I have advocated giving managers, Clough, Wilson, Blackwell, Adkins ... and now Wilder, a lot more time to get their shit sorted. But what you don't do is sell their best fucking players out from under their feet and offer instructions to buy cheap/lend/loan and sack the cunt when miraculously we are dragging like a snake's dick come April of each season.

Two issues. Selling talent and failing to replace or reinforce talent. That needs money and the manager has fuck all. This season he has fuck all either as we have shat 400 grand down the pan by cynically dropping the ST price by 10% just to save McCabe's arse.

pommpey

Heard it all before from you so many times.

 

[Keen Blade]

There is no doubt that the owners have been totally stupid - I could rant on about it myself.
But they are here for the foreseeable future - and the Club is where it is.
The old Irish directions joke has to be dropped.
You know , a tourist asks an Irishman for directions and he replies "I wouldn't start from here".
But we have to start from here - we are where we are.
Jo Cox's husband has to start from where he is , with the 2 children to bring up.
So quit moaning about how we got here.
And try to look forward.
In Chris Wilder, we have a Blade who has just won a division title by a distance.
He is old enough and wise enough to know what's required and he will have stated this in clear terms to McCabe.
You saw how quickly he listed his 7 rejects - no messing about there - even though they will be hard to move on.
The inference is that McCabe will have to pay them off , unless he wants to be seen publicly to be opposing CW.
But if you are selling something , you can't let the world know you are desperate to get rid , or no one will take it.
So McCabe isn't going to pay them off until August , hoping in the meantime that he can come to some compromise deal when the player himself has found a new club.
And there will be a priority list in CW's head , about which of the 7 rejects simply must do one , and which he could just about tolerate , depending on how his recruitment has gone by August.
You know that CW will not start the season without at least 2 CBs of first team quality arriving , because the Club hasn't got any at the moment - in fact CW keeps saying 2 or 3 - and he isn't about to change his mind.
You know he wants at least one MF (I think he needs 2) He's said he wants a winger and a target-man. I think he wants a goalie as well but he won't say that publicly yet , when Long has just re-signed.
CW is going to get at least 5 of these 7 signings and they are going straight in the first team , like Duffy & Hussey.
Have faith - you can't be losing it in June !
The rationale for signing "squad-fillers" is well and truly blown out of the water by Clough/Adkins signings.
CW is not going to waste his time and McCabes money by signing players who are not in the starting 11.
We already have plenty of "squad players" and already I think Reed & Scougall are on borrowed time.
CW is not going to be bringing in average players , just to satisfy the fans thirst for signings.
I am thirsty myself , after a season of watching lazy or injured rubbish.
But you have to curb your impatience and trust in CW - he of all people will do the best he can in a sensible way.

 

[Snowman]

There is no doubt that the owners have been totally stupid - I could rant on about it myself.
But they are here for the foreseeable future - and the Club is where it is.
The old Irish directions joke has to be dropped.
You know , a tourist asks an Irishman for directions and he replies "I wouldn't start from here".
But we have to start from here - we are where we are.
Jo Cox's husband has to start from where he is , with the 2 children to bring up.
So quit moaning about how we got here.
And try to look forward.
In Chris Wilder, we have a Blade who has just won a division title by a distance.
He is old enough and wise enough to know what's required and he will have stated this in clear terms to McCabe.
You saw how quickly he listed his 7 rejects - no messing about there - even though they will be hard to move on.
The inference is that McCabe will have to pay them off , unless he wants to be seen publicly to be opposing CW.
But if you are selling something , you can't let the world know you are desperate to get rid , or no one will take it.
So McCabe isn't going to pay them off until August , hoping in the meantime that he can come to some compromise deal when the player himself has found a new club.
And there will be a priority list in CW's head , about which of the 7 rejects simply must do one , and which he could just about tolerate , depending on how his recruitment has gone by August.
You know that CW will not start the season without at least 2 CBs of first team quality arriving , because the Club hasn't got any at the moment - in fact CW keeps saying 2 or 3 - and he isn't about to change his mind.
You know he wants at least one MF (I think he needs 2) He's said he wants a winger and a target-man. I think he wants a goalie as well but he won't say that publicly yet , when Long has just re-signed.
CW is going to get at least 5 of these 7 signings and they are going straight in the first team , like Duffy & Hussey.
Have faith - you can't be losing it in June !
The rationale for signing "squad-fillers" is well and truly blown out of the water by Clough/Adkins signings.
CW is not going to waste his time and McCabes money by signing players who are not in the starting 11.
We already have plenty of "squad players" and already I think Reed & Scougall are on borrowed time.
CW is not going to be bringing in average players , just to satisfy the fans thirst for signings.
I am thirsty myself , after a season of watching lazy or injured rubbish.
But you have to curb your impatience and trust in CW - he of all people will do the best he can in a sensible way.

I know he will. It's the other buggers that freeten me!

 

[Newbury Blade]

There is no doubt that the owners have been totally stupid - I could rant on about it myself.
But they are here for the foreseeable future - and the Club is where it is.
The old Irish directions joke has to be dropped.
You know , a tourist asks an Irishman for directions and he replies "I wouldn't start from here".
But we have to start from here - we are where we are.
Jo Cox's husband has to start from where he is , with the 2 children to bring up.
So quit moaning about how we got here.
And try to look forward.
In Chris Wilder, we have a Blade who has just won a division title by a distance.
He is old enough and wise enough to know what's required and he will have stated this in clear terms to McCabe.
You saw how quickly he listed his 7 rejects - no messing about there - even though they will be hard to move on.
The inference is that McCabe will have to pay them off , unless he wants to be seen publicly to be opposing CW.
But if you are selling something , you can't let the world know you are desperate to get rid , or no one will take it.
So McCabe isn't going to pay them off until August , hoping in the meantime that he can come to some compromise deal when the player himself has found a new club.
And there will be a priority list in CW's head , about which of the 7 rejects simply must do one , and which he could just about tolerate , depending on how his recruitment has gone by August.
You know that CW will not start the season without at least 2 CBs of first team quality arriving , because the Club hasn't got any at the moment - in fact CW keeps saying 2 or 3 - and he isn't about to change his mind.
You know he wants at least one MF (I think he needs 2) He's said he wants a winger and a target-man. I think he wants a goalie as well but he won't say that publicly yet , when Long has just re-signed.
CW is going to get at least 5 of these 7 signings and they are going straight in the first team , like Duffy & Hussey.
Have faith - you can't be losing it in June !
The rationale for signing "squad-fillers" is well and truly blown out of the water by Clough/Adkins signings.
CW is not going to waste his time and McCabes money by signing players who are not in the starting 11.
We already have plenty of "squad players" and already I think Reed & Scougall are on borrowed time.
CW is not going to be bringing in average players , just to satisfy the fans thirst for signings.
I am thirsty myself , after a season of watching lazy or injured rubbish.
But you have to curb your impatience and trust in CW - he of all people will do the best he can in a sensible way.

Great post. Spot on.

 

[Teddy]

There is no doubt that the owners have been totally stupid - I could rant on about it myself.
But they are here for the foreseeable future - and the Club is where it is.
The old Irish directions joke has to be dropped.
You know , a tourist asks an Irishman for directions and he replies "I wouldn't start from here".
But we have to start from here - we are where we are.
Jo Cox's husband has to start from where he is , with the 2 children to bring up.
So quit moaning about how we got here.
And try to look forward.
In Chris Wilder, we have a Blade who has just won a division title by a distance.
He is old enough and wise enough to know what's required and he will have stated this in clear terms to McCabe.
You saw how quickly he listed his 7 rejects - no messing about there - even though they will be hard to move on.
The inference is that McCabe will have to pay them off , unless he wants to be seen publicly to be opposing CW.
But if you are selling something , you can't let the world know you are desperate to get rid , or no one will take it.
So McCabe isn't going to pay them off until August , hoping in the meantime that he can come to some compromise deal when the player himself has found a new club.
And there will be a priority list in CW's head , about which of the 7 rejects simply must do one , and which he could just about tolerate , depending on how his recruitment has gone by August.
You know that CW will not start the season without at least 2 CBs of first team quality arriving , because the Club hasn't got any at the moment - in fact CW keeps saying 2 or 3 - and he isn't about to change his mind.
You know he wants at least one MF (I think he needs 2) He's said he wants a winger and a target-man. I think he wants a goalie as well but he won't say that publicly yet , when Long has just re-signed.
CW is going to get at least 5 of these 7 signings and they are going straight in the first team , like Duffy & Hussey.
Have faith - you can't be losing it in June !
The rationale for signing "squad-fillers" is well and truly blown out of the water by Clough/Adkins signings.
CW is not going to waste his time and McCabes money by signing players who are not in the starting 11.
We already have plenty of "squad players" and already I think Reed & Scougall are on borrowed time.
CW is not going to be bringing in average players , just to satisfy the fans thirst for signings.
I am thirsty myself , after a season of watching lazy or injured rubbish.
But you have to curb your impatience and trust in CW - he of all people will do the best he can in a sensible way.

The only thing I took from that is that you feel that Jo Cox's husband is milking it and should just get on with it

 

[pommpey]

Heard it all before from you so many times.

Thing is WWF, the opposite is actually the case. I'm sure it's a seasonal thing for you. Around June, you start getting all worked up into a foam about the new season/new manager and the prospect for success. Then by October you are being served your arse on a plate as the bubble bursts and your ridiculous, evangelical optimism evaporates and the new manager struggles minus two or three sold players, and a slack handful of gash acquisitions and players who should frankly be taken out and shot in a field. Its happened for the past five years, so you can't deny this. And no matter what you do, the evidence, last season's patently shit squad of rubbish players, Cloughs and Adkins' (although the 'investment' is a moot point) is plain to see. We found ourselves after Christmas neutrally buoyant and hoping upon hope of a last playoff space. And you KNOW that situation is unacceptable.

Yet here you are arguing with me, once again, with no proof that investment is inbound despite us laying off or listing unsellable players. You're a comedy piece, you really are. Comical Alli Woodward, is your new name.

We'll talk about this nearer Christmas. I am, as ever, very willing to say I was wrong and admit you got it right, but given the desperate situation we are now in, waiting every day for some sort of news as to how the new manager will shape his team, I remain convinced you are pissing into the wind. Once some sort of miracle happens and we shift the cancer out of the club represented by McCabe, we are a terminal case. Not even Mourinho could work with that dickhead, and you know it.

pommpey

 

[Keen Blade]

The only thing I took from that is that you feel that Jo Cox's husband is milking it and should just get on with it

You couldn't be more wrong Teddy - the point is that whilst an entirely devastated man will soon have to continue his life from his point of utter misfortune , in contrast many Blades want to whinge on about the old theme of their Club being poorly run by its inept owners , and being pessimistic in June despite us making 2 good signings thus far , instead of shedding their negativity and "starting from where we are". Giving the Club a little time to dig itself out , with a good manager on board , does not make me a naïve happy clapper.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Thing is WWF, the opposite is actually the case. I'm sure it's a seasonal thing for you. Around June, you start getting all worked up into a foam about the new season/new manager and the prospect for success. Then by October you are being served your arse on a plate as the bubble bursts and your ridiculous, evangelical optimism evaporates and the new manager struggles minus two or three sold players, and a slack handful of gash acquisitions and players who should frankly be taken out and shot in a field. Its happened for the past five years, so you can't deny this. And no matter what you do, the evidence, last season's patently shit squad of rubbish players, Cloughs and Adkins' (although the 'investment' is a moot point) is plain to see. We found ourselves after Christmas neutrally buoyant and hoping upon hope of a last playoff space. And you KNOW that situation is unacceptable.

Yet here you are arguing with me, once again, with no proof that investment is inbound despite us laying off or listing unsellable players. You're a comedy piece, you really are. Comical Alli Woodward, is your new name.

We'll talk about this nearer Christmas. I am, as ever, very willing to say I was wrong and admit you got it right, but given the desperate situation we are now in, waiting every day for some sort of news as to how the new manager will shape his team, I remain convinced you are pissing into the wind. Once some sort of miracle happens and we shift the cancer out of the club represented by McCabe, we are a terminal case. Not even Mourinho could work with that dickhead, and you know it.

pommpey

One of your better posts Pommpey, at least you had to think a little and come 'off usual message' which you trot out time after time after time.

The difference between us is that I believe supporting the club involves buying a season ticket and backing the team at games whenever provided with the slightest encouragement and never ever booing.

It's being positive about a new manager and hoping he is the one who can turn the tide.

It's about trying to achieve a balance on this forum with positivity when appropriate so that the handful of posters like you do not gain any credibility, particularly amongst younger members who might start to believe you. Our new manager is trying to unite every section of the club and you are trying to foster disunity, indeed anarchy. IMO you are acting just like a Wednesdayite insurgent would if he wanted to cause disharmony amongst us. I'm not saying you are a Wednesdayite but you're acting like a blue and white geeky nerd, tapping away his vitriol whenever there's the slightest setback in S2.

McCabe said a few weeks ago that he was open to offers for his remaining half of the club "to the right buyer". By that he means a suitable buyer who will protect the interests of the club and the fans; he will not do 'a Philip Green' and let us fall into the wrong hands. He admitted mistakes and he coughed up loads of cash to pay off Adkins and his team, having previously paid off Clough and his team. Investment in the club was somewhere well over £8m just to do what we did overall. Bad managerial appointments are expensive and add to the costs and nobody regrets it more than McCabe, but in it's own way shows ambition actually.

At this point in time, as Keen says above in his excellent post, "we are where we are and the club is where it is"" ; it's the only starting point we've got right now.

You feel the need to agitate yet again at a time most people are hoping for unity helped by progress on the pitch. IMO every manager needs a full year to show what his imprint on the club can be and we have a Blade as manager who desperately needs the support of every fan in the attempt to unify the club. What you are doing is working against Chris Wilder and I sense you may even wish for him to fail.

It's not the time to go over and over all your list of things from the past yet again. It's time to back our new manager for a year at least. You're right I did support Clough and Adkins, I also supported Weir actually - it's the thing for a supporter to do when we have a new manager, not what you're doing Pommpey. Wilder has a good budget and he will spend it wisely, I'm sure of that. Let it all unfold and you'll only need to concern yourself with McCabe if the new manager fails. Give us all some space because we all need it.

Try to post about football matters not your obsessions which are not current. By the way if we are top of the league by Xmas it does not absolve McCabe from his past mistakes and mis-management and all those wasted years, we will still be "where we are". He will leave one day but let's be careful what we wish for.

 

[pommpey]

One of your better posts Pommpey, at least you had to think a little and come 'off usual message' which you trot out time after time after time.

So, a bit like your 'this is the season. I am soooo excited. We MUST back the new manager and board. Long live the king' crap you spout whilst the majority sit waiting for text message updates of signings which never happen. Like that, eh?

The difference between us is that I believe supporting the club involves buying a season ticket and backing the team at games whenever provided with the slightest encouragement and never ever booing.

WARK! WARK! BIGGER BLADE ALERT! WARK! WARK! BIGGER BLADE ALERT! WARK! WARK!

It's being positive about a new manager and hoping he is the one who can turn the tide.

Like with Weir. And Clough. And Adkins. We hope. We hope. We hope. And we fail.

It's about trying to achieve a balance on this forum with positivity when appropriate so that the handful of posters like you do not gain any credibility, particularly amongst younger members who might start to believe you.

So, hang on. What you are saying is we should just lie to each other that Sheffield United is a successfully run, solvent matter with oiutstanding players and a solid management and a supportive, competent board. Tell you what. Feed that to the younger members of the board, why don't you? Just don't mention the fucking league position though. They might just call you a charlatan.

Our new manager is trying to unite every section of the club and you are trying to foster disunity, indeed anarchy. IMO you are acting just like a Wednesdayite insurgent would if he wanted to cause disharmony amongst us. I'm not saying you are a Wednesdayite but you're acting like a blue and white geeky nerd, tapping away his vitriol whenever there's the slightest setback in S2.

No. You're quite wrong. What I am saying is Kevin McCabe is our problem. He is our single point of failure. I am saying that the consistent entities of our demise from the heady days of Warnock have been the fans, and Kevin McCabe. You don't have to be Miss fucking Marple to figure that one out. What I am not saying is that our manager, which ever one McCabe hasn't yet sacked as a sop for his abject failure, is to blame. I hope I make that really, really clear. You, however, get all leaky-cock around this time of year when another poor fucker is sat in that office downstairs in the South Stand and he finally realises that the club's fortunes are tits deep in brown stuff and the promises made by one Kevin McCabe are nothing more than fanciful bullshit. Please tell me you understand all of this. Everyone else on here does.

McCabe said a few weeks ago that he was open to offers for his remaining half of the club "to the right buyer". By that he means a suitable buyer who will protect the interests of the club and the fans; he will not do 'a Philip Green' and let us fall into the wrong hands. He admitted mistakes and he coughed up loads of cash to pay off Adkins and his team, having previously paid off Clough and his team. Investment in the club was somewhere well over £8m just to do what we did overall. Bad managerial appointments are expensive and add to the costs and nobody regrets it more than McCabe, but in it's own way shows ambition actually.

Christ. You really are a bit deluded, aren't you?

McCabe wants rid of this pile of shit he has created. Trouble is, he has shovelled quite a bit of his dosh into the club and it has turned to fur, feathers and farts. If you can show me exactly where he has put £8million into the club (over and above normal operating costs) I will be grateful. Even if you said £1m was spent on an unneeded and zero-impact Desso pitch, that still leaves SEVEN million quid which you'd expect at least five of which to be regenerated in playing staff talent. Can you show me where this has happened with the people signed in the past eighteen months? Discount Brayford and Sharp. We might imagine they came as a payoff from Maguire and Murphy respectively. That leaves a lot of cash which people like me say, "What have you spent it on?" when he says, "I have put £8m into the club." Unless of course he is servicing debt, or worse still not being entirely honest with us. But honesty doesn't matter to you, does it? As long as it's June/July, McCabe has hired another sack-him-in-a-year and the sun is out you're all happy-fucking-clappy.

At this point in time, as Keen says above in his excellent post, "we are where we are and the club is where it is"" ; it's the only starting point we've got right now.

Yeah. Still in division one. Still.

You feel the need to agitate yet again at a time most people are hoping for unity helped by progress on the pitch. IMO every manager needs a full year to show what his imprint on the club can be and we have a Blade as manager who desperately needs the support of every fan in the attempt to unify the club. What you are doing is working against Chris Wilder and I sense you may even wish for him to fail.

Once again, I am not against Wilder, who seems like an honest, upright kind of guy. Quite what 'being a Blade' has to do with it mystifies me. Micky Adams is a Unitedite and was shit on toast. Harry Bassett wasn't and yet we had a fairly successful resurgence under him. Square that one.

It's not the time to go over and over all your list of things from the past yet again. It's time to back our new manager for a year at least. You're right I did support Clough and Adkins, I also supported Weir actually - it's the thing for a supporter to do when we have a new manager, not what you're doing Pommpey. Wilder has a good budget and he will spend it wisely, I'm sure of that. Let it all unfold and you'll only need to concern yourself with McCabe if the new manager fails. Give us all some space because we all need it.

Ooooh. You're in on the budget are you/ Tell me (and the assembled audience) how much of a game changing investment McCabe has given him, over and above those players we are struggling like fuck to get rid of? Real money figures please. Or shut the fuck up.

Try to post about football matters not your obsessions which are not current. By the way if we are top of the league by Xmas it does not absolve McCabe from his past mistakes and mis-management and all those wasted years, we will still be "where we are". He will leave one day but let's be careful what we wish for.

Feller, if we are top at Christmas, I couldn't give a fat donkey's whanger who is running the club upstairs. I will even say, 'Well done McCabe!' on here. But something in my water tells me we might be some way off that, given we currently have no central defenders to speak of and are sat wondering who will be daft enough to sign for a club with a shit chairman and no money.

Sheffield United being promoted is my obsession. Just that, in fact. What's yours?

pommpey

 

[Woodwardfan]

So, a bit like your 'this is the season. I am soooo excited. We MUST back the new manager and board. Long live the king' crap you spout whilst the majority sit waiting for text message updates of signings which never happen. Like that, eh?



WARK! WARK! BIGGER BLADE ALERT! WARK! WARK! BIGGER BLADE ALERT! WARK! WARK!



Like with Weir. And Clough. And Adkins. We hope. We hope. We hope. And we fail.



So, hang on. What you are saying is we should just lie to each other that Sheffield United is a successfully run, solvent matter with oiutstanding players and a solid management and a supportive, competent board. Tell you what. Feed that to the younger members of the board, why don't you? Just don't mention the fucking league position though. They might just call you a charlatan.



No. You're quite wrong. What I am saying is Kevin McCabe is our problem. He is our single point of failure. I am saying that the consistent entities of our demise from the heady days of Warnock have been the fans, and Kevin McCabe. You don't have to be Miss fucking Marple to figure that one out. What I am not saying is that our manager, which ever one McCabe hasn't yet sacked as a sop for his abject failure, is to blame. I hope I make that really, really clear. You, however, get all leaky-cock around this time of year when another poor fucker is sat in that office downstairs in the South Stand and he finally realises that the club's fortunes are tits deep in brown stuff and the promises made by one Kevin McCabe are nothing more than fanciful bullshit. Please tell me you understand all of this. Everyone else on here does.



Christ. You really are a bit deluded, aren't you?

McCabe wants rid of this pile of shit he has created. Trouble is, he has shovelled quite a bit of his dosh into the club and it has turned to fur, feathers and farts. If you can show me exactly where he has put £8million into the club (over and above normal operating costs) I will be grateful. Even if you said £1m was spent on an unneeded and zero-impact Desso pitch, that still leaves SEVEN million quid which you'd expect at least five of which to be regenerated in playing staff talent. Can you show me where this has happened with the people signed in the past eighteen months? Discount Brayford and Sharp. We might imagine they came as a payoff from Maguire and Murphy respectively. That leaves a lot of cash which people like me say, "What have you spent it on?" when he says, "I have put £8m into the club." Unless of course he is servicing debt, or worse still not being entirely honest with us. But honesty doesn't matter to you, does it? As long as it's June/July, McCabe has hired another sack-him-in-a-year and the sun is out you're all happy-fucking-clappy.



Yeah. Still in division one. Still.



Once again, I am not against Wilder, who seems like an honest, upright kind of guy. Quite what 'being a Blade' has to do with it mystifies me. Micky Adams is a Unitedite and was shit on toast. Harry Bassett wasn't and yet we had a fairly successful resurgence under him. Square that one.



Ooooh. You're in on the budget are you/ Tell me (and the assembled audience) how much of a game changing investment McCabe has given him, over and above those players we are struggling like fuck to get rid of? Real money figures please. Or shut the fuck up.



Feller, if we are top at Christmas, I couldn't give a fat donkey's whanger who is running the club upstairs. I will even say, 'Well done McCabe!' on here. But something in my water tells me we might be some way off that, given we currently have no central defenders to speak of and are sat wondering who will be daft enough to sign for a club with a shit chairman and no money.

Sheffield United being promoted is my obsession. Just that, in fact. What's yours?

pommpey

Pommpey, it appears you are incapable of unifying behind a new manager while McCabe is still involved in running the club; our half owner is a barrier preventing you from backing the new manager and supporting his team.

I had lunch with a Middlesbrough supporter yesterday and he says there are conviction supporters there who hold the same grudges against Gibson who has suffered abuse over the years like McCabe has with us. Boro found the right manager last season and the Pommpeys of Boro have shut up for a while but they'll be back as soon as the team are anywhere near the bottom 3 in the Prem. In some ways Boro are very similar to us with a lifelong multi-millionare fan as owner. Thay have turned around but with another couple of wrong managerial appointments they might just have joined us down in the depths because their parachute payments had been wasted too.

McCabe is going nowhere until the prince or a suitable new investor buys him out. In the meantime you will do all you can to demoralise members of this forum, the only little area you can hope to influence.

You are absolutely right that whenever we have a new manager I make big efforts to unify behind him and look for positives. In my view finding the right man to turn us around is the only way out in the forseeable future. I'm looking for a Messiah and in my view that is much more likely to be a new manager, not a new owner.

Your last post is extreme and shows how your mind works and the depth of your convictions as a Blade. You are incapable of unifying along with me or anybody else who is looking to back Wilder these next few months because it does not suit your agenda. You think Xmas is a key time and I hope by then Wilder gives me a happy one rather than you. By then I sincerely hope you're left with nothing to say on here.

I invite you to live for the present, put the past to one side and support the club to win promotion. Dump the obsession and support the club as it is because that's all you've got. If we fail again and again you'll get your 'day in the car park' come what may.

 

[spongebobblade]

Supporters fall into several catagories.

1. There is the happy clapper who will cheer anything United and will bend over backwards to defend the club/manager/players no matter what. These could be found applauding the lap of shame after the Scunny game
2. The eternal optimist. As above but will accept some critisism when it's blatantly justified but will always think the light at the end of the tunnel is just a stones throw away
3. The Realist. Those who can see what's happening before there eyes, not drama queens but who are prepared to have patience and give someone a chance yet can voice concern or critisism when it's due without going overboard. They don't always share the same opinion but are happy to give/listen to a balanced view.
4. The drama queen who has zero patience and even now still demands instant success and squeals like a baby if things don't go the way THEY think they should.
5. The morbid. A so called supporter who actually will probably never be happy and will jump on the bandwagon at every opportunity to critisize the club. Even when the club does ok they'll be quick to point out what could be better and only shut up when things are going swimmingly. Praise is minimal to non existent.

Bloody hell the last couple of weeks of inactivity haven't half highlighted a few people on here

 

[Woodwardfan]

Feller, if we are top at Christmas, I couldn't give a fat donkey's whanger who is running the club upstairs. I will even say, 'Well done McCabe!' on here. But something in my water tells me we might be some way off that, given we currently have no central defenders to speak of and are sat wondering who will be daft enough to sign for a club with a shit chairman and no money.

One more point, from the above comment it appears you will forgive McCabe for the past few years much quicker than I will !!

On Spongebob's scale above you are a 4/5 IMO. I am a 3 ( IMO).

 

[BushBlade]

Supporters fall into several catagories.

1. There is the happy clapper who will cheer anything United and will bend over backwards to defend the club/manager/players no matter what. These could be found applauding the lap of shame after the Scunny game
2. The eternal optimist. As above but will accept some critisism when it's blatantly justified but will always think the light at the end of the tunnel is just a stones throw away
3. The Realist. Those who can see what's happening before there eyes, not drama queens but who are prepared to have patience and give someone a chance yet can voice concern or critisism when it's due without going overboard. They don't always share the same opinion but are happy to give/listen to a balanced view.
4. The drama queen who has zero patience and even now still demands instant success and squeals like a baby if things don't go the way THEY think they should.
5. The morbid. A so called supporter who actually will probably never be happy and will jump on the bandwagon at every opportunity to critisize the club. Even when the club does ok they'll be quick to point out what could be better and only shut up when things are going swimmingly. Praise is minimal to non existent.

Bloody hell the last couple of weeks of inactivity haven't half highlighted a few people on here

You missed two categories; those that debate genuine points of concern or interest, based on actual events, facts and opinion and are able to differentiate between them and those that prefer to be personally critical of posters rather than address the points they raise.

 

[spongebobblade]

You missed two categories; those that debate genuine points of concern or interest, based on actual events, facts and opinion and are able to differentiate between them and those that prefer to be personally critical of posters rather than address the points they raise.

I'd say cat 3 covers your first point and we should add your 2nd point to cat 4!

 

[Rodley]

You'll probably notice, I don't criticise the manager. I haven't since ... possibly Weir and only then by the time we looked like we were almost beyond salvation.

I have advocated giving managers, Clough, Wilson, Blackwell, Adkins ... and now Wilder, a lot more time to get their shit sorted. But what you don't do is sell their best fucking players out from under their feet and offer instructions to buy cheap/lend/loan and sack the cunt when miraculously we are dragging like a snake's dick come April of each season.

Two issues. Selling talent and failing to replace or reinforce talent. That needs money and the manager has fuck all. This season he has fuck all either as we have shat 400 grand down the pan by cynically dropping the ST price by 10% just to save McCabe's arse.

pommpey

We signed over 20 players in a season under Clough. Failing to replace? Clough wasted an absolute fortune on utter shite. Atkins signed 5 players in positions we didn't need. Burton spent about 15 quid and got promoted.

The issue has and always will be poor appointments of key personnel, not financial backing which has been plentiful.

 

[Woodwardfan]

We signed over 20 players in a season under Clough. Failing to replace? Clough wasted an absolute fortune on utter shite. Atkins signed 5 players in positions we didn't need. Burton spent about 15 quid and got promoted.

The issue has and always will be poor appointments of key personnel, not financial backing which has been plentiful.

I think it's thought that McCabe drags the managers kicking and screaming to sign players he chooses himself.