The unemployed and unemployable

[Sheff de party]

That wage theif Cuvelier will never play football again and his treatment table pal
Wallace will be following him this time next year after he's stolen another years wages off us (thanks Clough you cunt)

It is unfair and bordering on farcical to call someone a wage thief for being injured. He worked his socks off to get back by all accounts and whenever I've seen play, always looked up for it.

I take it if you broke your leg and were off work for three months, you wouldn't want to get paid?

 

[Pollingtonblade]

It is unfair and bordering on farcical to call someone a wage thief for being injured. He worked his socks off to get back by all accounts and whenever I've seen play, always looked up for it.

I take it if you broke your leg and were off work for three months, you wouldn't want to get paid?

He's been paid more in 2 years than I'll ever earn. If I called in sick 2 years running I'd be laid off.

If folk feel so sorry for him why don't you all set up a benefit fund for him - maybe get U2 to perform a gig so he can continue to earn thousands of quid as he's become accustomed to.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Sport is sport. Sometimes no matter how much effort an individual puts in and how much he wants to succeed it just doesn't happen. These players have been with us in poor environments but showed what they could do for a brief spell under Clough.

I've just watched Nick Compton fail again in the Test Match. Nobody wants it more than he does and imagine how he feels right now.

No reason to call him a wage thief, c***, lazy b******.

He's failed, he's maybe got another innings to prove himself and if not he will likely be dropped. Fair enough. Good bloke, tried his best, move on England if that's what the selectors decide. That's sport.

Better to have tried and failed than not done anything. Yes I reckon they all tried.

 

[mattbianco1]

I just don't know how some can protect these so called , get them under the trade description act - professional footballers.

If we had not been very poor over a 46 game season , and continually flatter to deceive , I would be more sympathetic . We are in a fortunate situation / position were we have been able to get rid of the manager and players . Not many clubs can do this.

Let's be careful and not try and defend the indefensible.

These players have not only let themselves down , but let Sheffield United Football Club down. Injured or not fuck em , I am glad to see the back of them.

It wasn't like they were on £20k a year.

Bradford came with a wage cut . No he is not a wage thief . Fuck the rest . Glad Wilder has more sense and bollocks than some.

UTB

My mate got his foot run over by a fork truck whilst on site, carrying out tasks for his Employer. It meant he couldn't work for a couple of months. His employer didn't pay him for his time off, just the basic Sick Pay. How is that fair?

 

[mattbianco1]

He's been paid more in 2 years than I'll ever earn. If I called in sick 2 years running I'd be laid off.

If you had been signed off by a doctor, you would have a very good case to go to court.

 

[Darthblade]

I'm fucking sick of the snide comments and accusations.

I'm angry I've continued to support the club attended as often as possible and had some of the worst players ever turn out.

Yet i dish a bit of criticism out to folk who've earned more in 3 years than I'll ever earn and I'm the bad cunt.

I don't think you're bad or a cunt mate; just fu**ing annoyed and frustrated at the pathetic and unprofessional way some of the players conduct themselves and the moronic way that the Club has been mis-managed for some considerable time .....

As a fan who has contributed his investment into the Club's coffers, I believe you're entitled to your opinion, even if some don't agree with you ........ a variety of opinions is what a message board is all about .....

UTB & FTP

 

[Bladepicker]

He's been paid more in 2 years than I'll ever earn. If I called in sick 2 years running I'd be laid off.

I get the general point (good riddance to bad rubbish) but I don't think you can call someone who has been injured a wage thief.

Also comparing it to you phoning in sick for two years is not a like for.like comparison. Cuvelier was out 'sick' for two years as a direct result of a fully known risk of the job he was paid to do. Unless you are off work due to an injury caused by the job you were doing that was a known high risk (and therefore covered in any contract) then it is incomparable.

 

[mattbianco1]

It is returning the same respect that those shower of wage thieving, oxygen stealing parasites treated us with.

I can categorically say that I have never felt as contemptuous of a set of Sheffield United footballers as I have done with that collective of lame, lazy and talentless parasites that we had disgracing the illustrious red and white stripes next season.

If they had any form of pride, dignity or respect they would have put a bit more effort in to give a better account of themselves but they didn't........

I think you're comparing apples with pears.

Cuvelier and Wallace can't be placed into the "lazy" or "talentless" group. Both extremely good players that have been unlucky with injuries.

Dean Hammond and Connor Sammon maybe?!

 

[Darthblade]

Sport is sport. Sometimes no matter how much effort an individual puts in and how much he wants to succeed it just doesn't happen. These players have been with us in poor environments but showed what they could do for a brief spell under Clough.

I've just watched Nick Compton fail again in the Test Match. Nobody wants it more than he does and imagine how he feels right now.

No reason to call him a wage thief, c***, lazy b******.

He's failed, he's maybe got another innings to prove himself and if not he will likely be dropped. Fair enough. Good bloke, tried his best, move on England if that's what the selectors decide. That's sport.

Better to have tried and failed than not done anything. Yes I reckon they all tried.

I think you're being kind to them in thinking they all tried

I witnessed several games last season, home and away, where I was disgusted and appalled at the standard of effort and professionalism shown by the majority of our players ........

Being a crap player is the fault of the idiot in charge of signing him, but the rest; the professionalism, guts, determination, pride, balls .... call it what you will, is down to the player individually ......

We've had crap players before, who have endeared themselves to the supporters by sweating blood, and dying for the shirt ......... some of our squad last season, in the words of the famous chant, were certainly "not fit to wear the shirt" !!

UTB & FTP

 

[JJ Sefton]

Not sure bitter, middle aged blokes whinging on the Internet was quite what Ozzy had in mind re: "looking at the stars" Walth

"Feck off" - Brendan Behan.

 

[BushBlade]

My mate got his foot run over by a fork truck whilst on site, carrying out tasks for his Employer. It meant he couldn't work for a couple of months. His employer didn't pay him for his time off, just the basic Sick Pay. How is that fair?

Was it reported under RIDDOR? Was there a risk assessment? Or did your mate just suck it up because he thought if he made a fuss he'd get sacked?

Because that's capitalism. If you have skills that are in demand, you get better work, more money and things like sick pay. If you're easily replaceable, you don't.
Footballers are lucky because they're born with a relatively rare talent. They then dedicate a lot of their childhood to honing those skills and the very best get a chance at being a pro. If they make it, their hard work and dedication is rewarded with a great job with the potential to earn a lot of money.

It's not that different to the clever kids who work hard at school, get into a good uni and then get a job in banking or professional services. The best ones will get rich.
That's how the system works and you can't get hung up about it, it's not going to change.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Was it reported under RIDDOR? Was there a risk assessment? Or did your mate just suck it up because he thought if he made a fuss he'd get sacked?

Because that's capitalism. If you have skills that are in demand, you get better work, more money and things like sick pay. If you're easily replaceable, you don't.
Footballers are lucky because they're born with a relatively rare talent. They then dedicate a lot of their childhood to honing those skills and the very best get a chance at being a pro. If they make it, their hard work and dedication is rewarded with a great job with the potential to earn a lot of money.

It's not that different to the clever kids who work hard at school, get into a good uni and then get a job in banking or professional services. The best ones will get rich.
That's how the system works and you can't get hung up about it, it's not going to change.

I don't think the majority of League One and League Two footballers have a rare talent.

Give me a good 6 months to get properly fit and I could pass for a League Two player.

 

[BushBlade]

I think you're being kind to them in thinking they all tried

I witnessed several games last season, home and away, where I was disgusted and appalled at the standard of effort and professionalism shown by the majority of our players ........

Being a crap player is the fault of the idiot in charge of signing him, but the rest; the professionalism, guts, determination, pride, balls .... call it what you will, is down to the player individually ......

We've had crap players before, who have endeared themselves to the supporters by sweating blood, and dying for the shirt ......... some of our squad last season, in the words of the famous chant, were certainly "not fit to wear the shirt" !!

UTB & FTP

Don't disagree but sometimes players can look like they're not trying when it's down to poor management; not properly understanding their roles, being asked to do things they're not good at or being played out of position, the wrong tactics, the wrong formations. Or they may be carrying a knock or suffering from a bug.
Or it may be that they're completely unmotivated because the club is a shambles.
Being professional is getting up and doing your job when things are going against you but all professionals are human and affected by external factors, no one does a good job all day, every day.

 

[BushBlade]

I don't think the majority of League One and League Two footballers have a rare talent.

Give me a good 6 months to get properly fit and I could pass for a League Two player.

Well I could have been coached every day of my life from age 8-21 and still wouldn't have even made semi-pro.
I used to live in a house that looked out onto a football pitch where they played Sunday league. I was able to watch them from an upstairs window, which was similar to watching from a stand, say halfway up the kop. It was clear how different the standard was between that and professional football.
And, of course, it's not just being able to play football, it's about mental strength and discipline, which a lot of talented kids lack and end up not even going through the academies.

There are literally thousands of kids each year who fail with their attempts to make it in football so yes, it is a rare talent.

I assume you were the best player in your year at school, or close. Who did you have trials with?

 

[Booker4]

Cuvelier picked his injury up at Port Vale whilst he was out on loan after he couldn't get in the first team, and this happened 4 months after he signed for us.

He signed for Port Vale after he couldn't even get in to our first team, after he had been rightfully dropped after a series of awful, mediocre performances that showed the expenditure on his wages and transfer fee to be a complete and utter waste of money.

He has had 2 and a half years to get fit after his injury, which he hasn't been able to do, if I had 2 and a half years on the sick at work I would have been paid up and sacked but then again I live in the real world, not the cosseted world of professional football.

In his occasional and sporadic performances Cuvelier has looked overweight and lethargic, and having seen the vast majority of his performances he looks like he is a Evo-Stick league standard player.

People might not be happy at the OP calling him out amongst others, but the overwhelming evidence is that he has been handsome rewarded in the last 3 years whilst giving very little back in return, I'm delighted that he is no longer an employee of Sheffield United. I would say professional footballer but i wouldn't even be sure that he was good enough to be described as one.

He was part of the problem, and the people who accept the likes of Cuvelier happily claiming a wage for doing very little are an even bigger part of the problem

I totally get fellow fans frustrations, but players that are injured are hardly likely to say I'm going to tear up my contract because I'm regularly injured and I'm a parasite! Maybe its up to the club to say that players who spend more than a certain percentage of time being injured only receive a basic wage as opposed to their full wage. Any performance related bonus's can't be earned by the player anyway, and in the future we need to make contracts more performance related, if they aren't currently so. In fairness to Clough, he obviously knew about Wallace's recent injury but for the small fee we needed to buy Wallace, Clough presumably considered it worth the risk. We should have only given him a two year deal and I was expecting him to be out this summer, because I thought the 3rd year was only an option for the club, but it seems that we had no say in that. Maybe the club has insurance for injury to players although obviously the insurance costs go up with Wallace and Cuvellier.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Nobody has said they will be pleased with how things have gone for them or the club but it is poor form to call them cheats, wage thieves, heartless, lazy b******s, c***s lacking pride and professionalism. Some good blokes in that list and they are moving on. Let's have a bit of respect.

It'll be a fucking cold day in hell before I speak of them any more respectfully than I would about shit on my shoe thank you very much.
One little prick amongst them who's not on the list, couldn't even be arsed to train properly this season.

You can show them all the undeserved reverance that you like. But don't expect anyone else in their right mind to follow suit.

 

[Woodwardfan]

It'll be a fucking cold day in hell before I speak of them any more respectfully than I would about shit on my shoe thank you very much.
One little prick amongst them who's not on the list, couldn't even be arsed to train properly this season.

You can show them all the undeserved reverance that you like. But don't expect anyone else in their right mind to follow suit.

Wouldn't call it reverance Tyler, but not hate.

In football there are very few winners each season. Loads of players all doing their best, some really fortunate to be in the right place at the right time and some vice-versa.

Just because a bloke happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time doesn't mean he warrants such treatment by his former supporters of his old team.

I wonder whether just a couple of years ago you all would have called Morgan, Huth, Vardy, Drinkwater, Albrighton, Simpson, King et al. lazy b*******s, lazy C***s, wage thiefs and heartless unprofessionals, shit on your shoe. - just because they were playing in a different environment? Think about it you Blades.

N.B. No name calling, just reasonable debate.

 

[Barney]

It is returning the same respect that those shower of wage thieving, oxygen stealing parasites treated us with.

Poor form.

Players not good enough for the club and where it wants to be? Yes.

Oxygen stealers, parasites, cunts? No.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Wouldn't call it reverance Tyler, but not hate.

In football there are very few winners each season. Loads of players all doing their best, some really fortunate to be in the right place at the right time and some vice-versa.

Just because a bloke happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time doesn't mean he warrants such treatment by his former supporters of his old team.

I wonder whether just a couple of years ago you all would have called Morgan, Huth, Vardy, Drinkwater, Albrighton, Simpson, King et al. lazy b*******s, lazy C***s, wage thiefs and heartless unprofessionals, shit on your shoe. - just because they were playing in a different environment? Think about it you Blades.

N.B. No name calling, just reasonable debate.

But you made reference to 'loads of players doing their best'. If that was the case then you would indeed have a valid point. I've seen plenty of teams pass through this club, most weren't very good but until recent times the attitude and application of their limited abilities was at least evident.

This has not been the case with the squad that we've been lumbered with in the past 2 years. Their attitude stinks, their conduct off the pitch stinks. We have at least one player who couldn't even be arsed to train properly let alone play for the club that elevated him from non-league obscurity. Throw into the mix a two-time drug abuser and the numerous violations of discipline, the playboy cavalier attitude that several of these parasites display on social media and you have a squad which fulfills the very definition of wage theft.

Wilder himself has made veiled references to what I'm talking about. It's so blatantly obvious that a man who has only been manager at the club for two minutes can see it. Which is why he's eliminated many of them from the equation and told those who remain to shape up or fuck off.

These aren't professional players who merely haven't made the grade. They are individuals who had it nice and cushty at a nominally big club who paid a very handsome wage for their services and they repaid none of it because they saw no professional incentive to do so.
Not only should they not be at our club, they are an insult to the professional game as a whole and to the fans who invest their time, money, effort and emotion for scant return.

 

[FriethBlade]

Agree with much of the sentiment on here but hate the hypocrisy as some of the more vocal are the same ones who reacted with exactly the same vitriol when Wolves signed Macdonald as he wasn't locked down on a long contract.

Yes the MacDonald with a questionable history who we took a gamble on which worked but who we then lost as he wasn't on a long term contract.

 

[dublin 10 blade]

I don't think Blades fans in the whole , go out of there way to go over the top in the criticism of players
that pull on the red and white .
But when human beings , with their own eyes , see the non performance of players they've payed hard
earned money to see , then people have to accept the opinion they have .
I haven't been over this season the only time since we got relegated , that I haven't seen the team
in the flesh , however when I've seen them on the square box .
Well I can understand what people have to say .
No urgency at throw ins , and free kicks , the team depending on a handful of players to carry them through .
No never say die attitude, that as blades we've come to expect , our team will never be like Real Madrid,
or Barca , I'll leave that bollox to the pigs .
But what I do expect is players to fucking try , to defend like professional footballs , to take man and ball when needed , and generally to give a fuck , which from my eyes some of the players seem not to be doing ,
maybe its tactics , maybe the players aren't good enough , maybe the managers to blame ,
maybe it's the board and lack of investment , but one things for sure it ain't the
close to 20, 000 every other week paying there money for the privilege to watch it .
UTB .

 

[Deleted member 875]

Poor form.

Players not good enough for the club and where it wants to be? Yes.

Oxygen stealers, parasites, cunts? No.

Get off your high horse.

I've not even used the word cunt in that post. I reserve that for special cases, cases like people who couldn't even be arsed to watch them after last October and made up some bullshit story about selling it protest.

Actions like that are worthy of the word cunt.

 

[Barney]

Get off your high horse.

I've not even used the word cunt in that post.

Oh, just oxygen stealers and parasites, that's alright then.

 

[PeteBlade]

I think the story was Seth Johnson and his agent went to discuss terms with Leeds and when they offered way more than they expected they burst out laughing. Leeds thought they were laughing at the offer being too low so offered even more. When they'd stopped laughing Johnson signed the improved offer. Think he ended up on about £60k/wk.

As scary as this seems, and don't know the terms and salary but that's pretty much exactly how the meeting went.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

"Ahh. Mr Sammon, you're ten minutes late"

You'll be having your benefits cut if you can't make it on time.

"Ahh, Mr MCEverley, have you brought your job seeking evidence?"

Same as Mr Sammon. You'll be seeing a reduction in your JSA if you can't follow instructions.

"Ahh, Mr Kennedy, did you manage to walk up the stairs?"

Yes? But you fell down a dozen times on the way up.
Mr Wilder was correct. By the way, Staveley Miners Welfare are interested.

 

[Jehovah]

“We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.” ― Oscar Wilde

"You'll be seeing stars in a minute" Ricky Gervais

 

[Woodwardfan]

Seems to me all you passionate, foul mouthed haters of a group of past players don't fully appreciate what I was saying above about the seven players. I'll repeat the quote:

Wouldn't call it reverance Tyler, but not hate.

In football there are very few winners each season. Loads of players all doing their best, some really fortunate to be in the right place at the right time and some vice-versa.

Just because a bloke happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time doesn't mean he warrants such treatment by his former supporters of his old team.

I wonder whether just a couple of years ago you all would have called Morgan, Huth, Vardy, Drinkwater, Albrighton, Simpson, King et al. lazy b*******s, lazy C***s, wage thiefs and heartless unprofessionals, shit on your shoe. - just because they were playing in a different environment? Think about it you Blades.

N.B. No name calling, just reasonable debate.

Right, what I'm saying is fans like you at Notts Forest re Morgan, Sheffield Wednesday, Fleetwood re Vardy, Leicester City re King and Drinkwater, Villa re Albrighton, Newcastle, QPR etc re Simpson, Middlesbro' re Huth., will maybe have been calling each of those players c***s, b******s, thieves etc. etc.when they moved away from their clubs.

You clearly don't get it. Same players, different managers and environment. Could happen to anybody. Leicester are Premier League Champions and have players who could always play better and eventually had the chance to prove it. Good blokes, lucky blokes and don't they know it.

Scale it all down a league or two and if most of those players had played for Burton or Wigan or Barnsley or Walsall or Millwall , they would have done fine and certainly would not have been abused like on this thread. Or did all those clubs in the top 6 in League 1 have all the clean- living , industrious, virtuous heroes while we had just 10 of the villains with another 7 on the list?

 

[Woodwardfan]

But you made reference to 'loads of players doing their best'. If that was the case then you would indeed have a valid point. I've seen plenty of teams pass through this club, most weren't very good but until recent times the attitude and application of their limited abilities was at least evident.

This has not been the case with the squad that we've been lumbered with in the past 2 years. Their attitude stinks, their conduct off the pitch stinks. We have at least one player who couldn't even be arsed to train properly let alone play for the club that elevated him from non-league obscurity. Throw into the mix a two-time drug abuser and the numerous violations of discipline, the playboy cavalier attitude that several of these parasites display on social media and you have a squad which fulfills the very definition of wage theft.

Wilder himself has made veiled references to what I'm talking about. It's so blatantly obvious that a man who has only been manager at the club for two minutes can see it. Which is why he's eliminated many of them from the equation and told those who remain to shape up or fuck off.

These aren't professional players who merely haven't made the grade. They are individuals who had it nice and cushty at a nominally big club who paid a very handsome wage for their services and they repaid none of it because they saw no professional incentive to do so.
Not only should they not be at our club, they are an insult to the professional game as a whole and to the fans who invest their time, money, effort and emotion for scant return.

Tyler. Wilder hasn't worked with the players yet. He said in interview that he hadn't had the chance to follow them closely recently and that's obvious anyway when he's a manager in L2.

"Insult to the professional game as a whole" Who. Which ones: Flynn? Kennedy? McEveley? Harris? Howard? Campbell-Ryce? McFadzean one night down town perhaps. Baxter -yes. Sammon -give over!! McGahey? Cuvelier - if so why? You said they were an "insult to the professional game".

Please explain in the context of that list of released players. Open challenge to LS26, Brownie et al. Why?

 

[Deleted member 875]

Seems to me all you passionate, foul mouthed haters of a group of past players don't fully appreciate what I was saying above about the seven players. I'll repeat the quote:






Right, what I'm saying is fans like you at Notts Forest re Morgan, Sheffield Wednesday, Fleetwood re Vardy, Leicester City re King and Drinkwater, Villa re Albrighton, Newcastle, QPR etc re Simpson, Middlesbro' re Huth., will maybe have been calling each of those players c***s, b******s, thieves etc. etc.when they moved away from their clubs.

You clearly don't get it. Same players, different managers and environment. Could happen to anybody. Leicester are Premier League Champions and have players who could always play better and eventually had the chance to prove it. Good blokes, lucky blokes and don't they know it.

Scale it all down a league or two and if most of those players had played for Burton or Wigan or Barnsley or Walsall or Millwall , they would have done fine and certainly would not have been abused like on this thread. Or did all those clubs in the top 6 in League 1 have all the clean- living , industrious, virtuous heroes while we had just 10 of the villains with another 7 on the list?

So it is the fault of our own long suffering supporters than Connor Sammon is shit, that Flo Cuvelier is a perma-crock, that Jose Baxter has failed 2 drug tests, is it our fault that Dean Hammond couldn't cut in League One, is it our fault that Couttsy 18 months after signing hasn't even got the basic fitness to play 60 minutes of football????

 

[Woodwardfan]

So it is the fault of our own long suffering supporters than Connor Sammon is shit, that Flo Cuvelier is a perma-crock, that Jose Baxter has failed 2 drug tests, is it our fault that Dean Hammond couldn't cut in League One, is it our fault that Couttsy 18 months after signing hasn't even got the basic fitness to play 60 minutes of football????

I have not blamed the fans. I am asking you and others who have been so scathing on here to explain why each and every one of those released players are insults to the professional game, wage thieves, lazy c***s, heartless b******s, lack pride, gutless, unprofessional etc. etc. Then extend it to the 7 transfer listed players too if you wish. Exclude Baxter, I'll give you him.