CONFIRMED Nigel Adkins is gone

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YES Blade said:
Personally I'd say we're in a better state now that last summer, we've shipped out a lot of poor players and we have a chance to build a team/squad from scratch.
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Be careful ....... there are still a lot of very poor players here at the moment .....

The danger here is that whoever comes in decides to give ANY of our out-of-contract players another chance !!

The Board need to make it clear to the new manager that none of the players contracts will be renewed !! o_O

UTB & FTP
 

Whilst the Adkins project was far from a success, I am struggling to see the optimism generated by Wilder. I can only assume it's the 'anyone but' syndrome kicking in. Wilder has been a manager for 15 years and never has he managed at this level. So why would he be an improvement?

I'm not necessarily against the sacking of Adkins (I wouldn't have done it personally, but there was certainly a justification for it) but if we're going to sack Adkins, I'd like to think it was with a suitable replacement who has a better pedigree than Wilder. CW seems a decent honest bloke, but could he attract players as a person? At least Clough was integral in the signing of Brayford, and Adkins was the reason we got Sharp, so what is Wilder bringing to the table?

My suspicion is that people are just glad that Adkins is gone and therefore pass that optimism over to Wilder. I'll give the guy a chance but his record doesn't make me sit up and take not and I fear that he'll be another list added to the pile come May 2017 (or sooner). Think there could be more inspiring alternatives available, someone with a little more knowledge of this league.

Then again, as has been mentioned many a time, if he doesn't get backed, doesn't matter who the poor sod is. He's doomed to fail from the day he is appointed.
 
Darren said:
He was given a squad that reached the play offs the previous season and allowed to bring in 6 new players for the loss of the best player. Any decent manager would have at least made the play offs.
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Sorry mate ..... cant agree here ....

He inherited a bloated squad filled with a mixture of dross, apathetic journeymen and weak midgets. A squad with no backbone, guts, strength or pace and no real goal-threat. A squad that could play in the cup against higher league opposition, but couldn't compete in one of the poorest 3rd divisions in living memory.

He was allowed a modest fee for Sharp, lost his best player straight away and was then given little backing in the transfer market to address some of our glaring, long term deficiencies. ( we couldn't get any of the twelve deals over the line that we tried to do .... I know I've heard it all before from the Club and I don't believe it )

The only way he could have made the play-offs this season is if he'd been backed by the Board to do major surgery on that crap squad in the previous transfer windows and last summer.

I'm not saying he should have survived, because he was clearly not up to the job this season and made multiple serious errors of judgement ...... but the blame doesn't lie with him alone :rolleyes:

UTB & FTP
 
Adkins finishing 11th in his first season is tantamount to getting 14 in your first hand of blackjack.

Stick or twist?
 
Darthblade said:
Sorry mate ..... cant agree here ....

He inherited a bloated squad filled with a mixture of dross, apathetic journeymen and weak midgets. A squad with no backbone, guts, strength or pace and no real goal-threat. A squad that could play in the cup against higher league opposition, but couldn't compete in one of the poorest 3rd divisions in living memory.

He was allowed a modest fee for Sharp, lost his best player straight away and was then given little backing in the transfer market to address some of our glaring, long term deficiencies. ( we couldn't get any of the twelve deals over the line that we tried to do .... I know I've heard it all before from the Club and I don't believe it )

The only way he could have made the play-offs this season is if he'd been backed by the Board to do major surgery on that crap squad in the previous transfer windows and last summer.

I'm not saying he should have survived, because he was clearly not up to the job this season and made multiple serious errors of judgement ...... but the blame doesn't lie with him alone :rolleyes:

UTB & FTP
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As I keep saying that "crap squad" got us to the play offs last season. It's a mystery how Adkins managed to get even less out of them.
 
Darthblade said:
Be careful ....... there are still a lot of very poor players here at the moment .....

The danger here is that whoever comes in decides to give ANY of our out-of-contract players another chance !!

The Board need to make it clear to the new manager that none of the players contracts will be renewed !! o_O

UTB & FTP
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That includes the "highly rated" goalkeeper who can't catch a ball, command his area, or make a save without fumbling the ball into the path of the on-rushing striker...
 
Pinchy said:
That includes the "highly rated" goalkeeper who can't catch a ball, command his area, or make a save without fumbling the ball into the path of the on-rushing striker...
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Oh he's not that bad. He can catch a ball.
 
Snowman said:
Not that I am an Adkins supporter but to be fair, through no fault of his own he also lost his only midfield player with some sort of vision (probably hallucinogenic) and the alleged best defender in the squad (a) seemed to go on holiday from Christmas and (b) got badly injured again.
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Word on the street is that the alleged best defender in the squad was/is having the same vision as the midfielder.
 
Good thing about Wilder coming in, is that he's been down the Lane to games at every opportunity as a fan, which puts him in a good position to know what is needed.....Whose shit and whose not so shit etc.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
Fairly even split I'd say. I concede it's subjective. Still, 2 good, 2 indifferent and 2 bad is probably a better success rate than Clough had.
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For the sake of balance:

Adams: A
Basham: B-
Harris: C+
Brayford:C
McNulty: C
Davies: C
Coutts: C-
McEveley: C-
Campbell-Ryce: C-
Wallace K: C-
McGahey: D+
Alcock: D
Freeman: E
Scougall: E
Wallace J: F
Butler: F-
Higdon: U (Conor-Sammon-from-three-yards-out-level miss)
Sammon: U (we all know that the Sammon deal was lined up by Brannigan and Clough)

I don't think there's a single good signing by Clough except for Adams. Basham maybe but on the relative money he's rumoured to be on I'd expect a lot more.
 

Team underperform => players come under criticism => manager comes under criticism => board promise new approach and lessons learnt =>board sack manager => new manager decides to give players another chance => team underperform .................
Eat. Sleep. Blades. Repeat.
 
Balham Blade said:
For the sake of balance:

Adams: A
Basham: B-
Harris: C+
Brayford:C
McNulty: C
Davies: C
Coutts: C-
McEveley: C-
Campbell-Ryce: C-
Wallace K: C-
McGahey: D+
Alcock: D
Freeman: E
Scougall: E
Wallace J: F
Butler: F-
Higdon: U (Conor-Sammon-from-three-yards-out-level miss)
Sammon: U (we all know that the Sammon deal was lined up by Brannigan and Clough)

I don't think there's a single good signing by Clough except for Adams. Basham maybe but on the relative money he's rumoured to be on I'd expect a lot more.
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Done was a good signing, hes just been poor this season as someones been playing him out of position
 
blader said:
Whilst the Adkins project was far from a success, I am struggling to see the optimism generated by Wilder. I can only assume it's the 'anyone but' syndrome kicking in. Wilder has been a manager for 15 years and never has he managed at this level. So why would he be an improvement?

I'm not necessarily against the sacking of Adkins (I wouldn't have done it personally, but there was certainly a justification for it) but if we're going to sack Adkins, I'd like to think it was with a suitable replacement who has a better pedigree than Wilder. CW seems a decent honest bloke, but could he attract players as a person? At least Clough was integral in the signing of Brayford, and Adkins was the reason we got Sharp, so what is Wilder bringing to the table?

My suspicion is that people are just glad that Adkins is gone and therefore pass that optimism over to Wilder. I'll give the guy a chance but his record doesn't make me sit up and take not and I fear that he'll be another list added to the pile come May 2017 (or sooner). Think there could be more inspiring alternatives available, someone with a little more knowledge of this league.

Then again, as has been mentioned many a time, if he doesn't get backed, doesn't matter who the poor sod is. He's doomed to fail from the day he is appointed.
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You have a "suspicion" Adkins has gone to fuxking right mate Hallelujah!
 
Balham Blade said:
For the sake of balance:

Adams: A
Basham: B-
Harris: C+
Brayford:C
McNulty: C
Davies: C
Coutts: C-
McEveley: C-
Campbell-Ryce: C-
Wallace K: C-
McGahey: D+
Alcock: D
Freeman: E
Scougall: E
Wallace J: F
Butler: F-
Higdon: U (Conor-Sammon-from-three-yards-out-level miss)
Sammon: U (we all know that the Sammon deal was lined up by Brannigan and Clough)

I don't think there's a single good signing by Clough except for Adams. Basham maybe but on the relative money he's rumoured to be on I'd expect a lot more.
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And I'd say you've been very kind to Coutts and McEveley there.
 
blader said:
Whilst the Adkins project was far from a success, I am struggling to see the optimism generated by Wilder. I can only assume it's the 'anyone but' syndrome kicking in. Wilder has been a manager for 15 years and never has he managed at this level. So why would he be an improvement?

I'm not necessarily against the sacking of Adkins (I wouldn't have done it personally, but there was certainly a justification for it) but if we're going to sack Adkins, I'd like to think it was with a suitable replacement who has a better pedigree than Wilder. CW seems a decent honest bloke, but could he attract players as a person? At least Clough was integral in the signing of Brayford, and Adkins was the reason we got Sharp, so what is Wilder bringing to the table?

My suspicion is that people are just glad that Adkins is gone and therefore pass that optimism over to Wilder. I'll give the guy a chance but his record doesn't make me sit up and take not and I fear that he'll be another list added to the pile come May 2017 (or sooner). Think there could be more inspiring alternatives available, someone with a little more knowledge of this league.

Then again, as has been mentioned many a time, if he doesn't get backed, doesn't matter who the poor sod is. He's doomed to fail from the day he is appointed.
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KM: “Here’s the deal. I’ll sell your best player in August. You need to trim the wage bill and you get next to nowt to spend on players…. Oh and if you don’t ger us up this year you’re sacked… deal?



CW: Will I get compo when I’m sacked?


KM: Course you do, what else am I gonna spend money on? We’ve already bought the pitch and it’s not like we need to buy players”.


CW: Where do I sign?
 
Darren said:
As I keep saying that "crap squad" got us to the play offs last season. It's a mystery how Adkins managed to get even less out of them.
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Murphy single-handedly won us points against the likes of Donny and Gillingham last season with fine individual goals. Other players like Doyle, Davies etc. were also lost. Most of the squad were signed by Clough to play his way. Baxter has also been unavailable as has Brayford for much of the season. The squad were in poor physical shape when they returned for pre-season with many injured. Surely that’s more than enough reason to justify 6 point deficit the following season?


The variables that occur during a season can easily explain 6 points lost. Hitting the woodwork 3 times v Southend, last minute equaliser at oakwell. Sharp missing the penalty against Colchester. I think most who attend regularly will confirm that the performance level has felt very similar to last season overall. Clough just ground a couple more results out. When we say “play off team” that covers a large range and could make one think we were like Wilson’s team of 2012 when we clearly weren’t. We were a team amassing 71 points which wouldn’t have got us into the playoffs this season.
 
Pinchy said:
That includes the "highly rated" goalkeeper who can't catch a ball, command his area, or make a save without fumbling the ball into the path of the on-rushing striker...
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Also known as the 22 year old GK who has racked up much more experience than other GKs his age, has represented England at youth level, is a good size (around 6”3), has made 3 penalty saves this season and one of the highest average scorers in the week to week player ratings.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
He didn’t have


Murphy

Doyle

S. Davies

P. McCarthy

B. Davies

Holt

O Grady

Turner



He also didn’t have the advantage of them being his players signed to play his way. Yet despite all of that, he was only six points worse off.
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At least three of those were loans who wouldn't have been there for any manager three were just squad players and many expected Murphy to go. He clearly spent a large part of his budget on Hammond and Edgar and presided over some diabolical passionless performances which he glossed over every time. A decent manager would have got them motivated. He clearly didn't. Maybe he has become a poor manager or maybe he's a decent manager only with good players? In which case he's not the man for us.
 

1danewhitehouse said:
Murphy single-handedly won us points against the likes of Donny and Gillingham last season with fine individual goals. Other players like Doyle, Davies etc. were also lost. Most of the squad were signed by Clough to play his way. Baxter has also been unavailable as has Brayford for much of the season. The squad were in poor physical shape when they returned for pre-season with many injured. Surely that’s more than enough reason to justify 6 point deficit the following season?


The variables that occur during a season can easily explain 6 points lost. Hitting the woodwork 3 times v Southend, last minute equaliser at oakwell. Sharp missing the penalty against Colchester. I think most who attend regularly will confirm that the performance level has felt very similar to last season overall. Clough just ground a couple more results out. When we say “play off team” that covers a large range and could make one think we were like Wilson’s team of 2012 when we clearly weren’t. We were a team amassing 71 points which wouldn’t have got us into the playoffs this season.
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Thing is, you have to go into convoluted reasons as to why Adkins failed even to reach the level Clough did. As well as the "bad luck" stories, you can equally pick "good luck" stories (the daylight robbery of 3 points at home to Coventry springs to mind). Most people also seem to think the division was weaker this season, so getting last points than Clough is even more of a failure. On the plus side, Clough had no 20 goal a season striker, Adkins did.

I would be pretty sure Adkins was told at the start of the season that the minimum expected was a play off place. As I say, he failed and can have no complaints. You can say the sacking was a bit harsh and that he could well have been given the start of next season and I would agree with that. What I don't think you can say is that the sacking was not deserved given the serious underachievement last season.

As I have said 20,000 times, it was finely balanced decision; not obviously right as the Weir and Robson sackings were or obviously insane as the Wilson and Blackwell sackings were. I don't criticise the Board for sacking him and wouldn't have criticised them for keeping him on.
 
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