CONFIRMED Nigel Adkins is gone

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1danewhitehouse said:
By that reckoning he's not a decent manager? Does a good manager (tipped for the England job a few years ago) become a bad one suddenly? I just don't see it. Some managers click with some dressing rooms. Some managers do well in certain circumstances but not others. I absolutely disagree that "any decent manager" would have made the playoffs.
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He's not "suddenly" become a bad manager. His career was on the downward trend when we got him (otherwise we wouldn't have got him). That could have been a blip, but it's now starting to look like a pattern. Sometimes people do decline from their early achievements; there can be all sorts of reasons for that, both personal and circumstantial, but it's by no means rare. Look at Harry Haslam; he did great at Luton - a small club with no money, took them into D1 and then they were one of the top sides in D2. He becomes manager at the Lane and takes us in 3 years from D2 to the verge of D4. Happy Harry was given time to weave his magic and look where that got us!

The Board had to make a difficult decision; was Adkins likely to improve and mount a serious promotion challenge next season or would we stagnate again. They have worked with him all season and took the judgment the latter was more likely. As I say, not an unreasonable decision.
 
Darren said:
The Board had to make a difficult decision; was Adkins likely to improve and mount a serious promotion challenge next season or would we stagnate again. They have worked with him all season and took the judgment the latter was more likely. As I say, not an unreasonable decision.
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Also got to factor in whether he was to be trusted with any more money in order to turn it around. The more miss-the-hit nature of his signings was probably a factor in this....
 
Darren said:
He's not "suddenly" become a bad manager. His career was on the downward trend when we got him (otherwise we wouldn't have got him). That could have been a blip, but it's now starting to look like a pattern. Sometimes people do decline from their early achievements; there can be all sorts of reasons for that, both personal and circumstantial, but it's by no means rare. Look at Harry Haslam; he did great at Luton - a small club with no money, took them into D1 and then they were one of the top sides in D2. He becomes manager at the Lane and takes us in 3 years from D2 to the verge of D4. Happy Harry was given time to weave his magic and look where that got us!

The Board had to make a difficult decision; was Adkins likely to improve and mount a serious promotion challenge next season or would we stagnate again. They have worked with him all season and took the judgment the latter was more likely. As I say, not an unreasonable decision.
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I think the continuing policy of starting over every year we fail makes promotion the following season all the more unlikely. Allowing a manager to try to improve on the squad of the previous season represents a better plan in my opinion.
 
Highbury_Blade said:
Also got to factor in whether he was to be trusted with any more money in order to turn it around. The more miss-the-hit nature of his signings was probably a factor in this....
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More miss than hit?

Sharp- Hit
Baptise- Hit
Edgar- Decent
Hammond- Average
Woolford- Miss
Sammon- Miss (but was it his signing).

Fairly even split I'd say. I concede it's subjective. Still, 2 good, 2 indifferent and 2 bad is probably a better success rate than Clough had.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
More miss than hit?

Sharp- Hit
Baptise- Hit
Edgar- Decent
Hammond- Average
Woolford- Miss
Sammon- Miss (but was it his signing).

Fairly even split I'd say. I concede it's subjective. Still, 2 good, 2 indifferent and 2 bad is probably a better success rate than Clough had.
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Fair comments Dane, but as you say, subjective. For me Edgar would be average and Hammond would be miss. All about opinions though eh :)
 

1danewhitehouse said:
More miss than hit?

Sharp- Hit
Baptise- Hit
Edgar- Decent
Hammond- Average
Woolford- Miss
Sammon- Miss (but was it his signing).

Fairly even split I'd say. I concede it's subjective. Still, 2 good, 2 indifferent and 2 bad is probably a better success rate than Clough had.
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The opportunity cost of signing Hammond was huge.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
Fairly even split I'd say. I concede it's subjective. Still, 2 good, 2 indifferent and 2 bad is probably a better success rate than Clough had.
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Straight up player-for-player numbers, I'd probably agree. I'd propose though that Clough's misses were probably a lot cheaper than Adkins'.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
More miss than hit?

Sharp- Hit
Baptise- Hit
Edgar- Decent
Hammond- Average
Woolford- Miss
Sammon- Miss (but was it his signing).

Fairly even split I'd say. I concede it's subjective. Still, 2 good, 2 indifferent and 2 bad is probably a better success rate than Clough had.
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Like I said before, in the final game, Woolford put a shift in and was nowhere near the worst player on the pitch. I would change Hammond to "Miss" and Woolford to "Average".
 
TonyAgana said:
Straight up player-for-player numbers, I'd probably agree. I'd propose though that Clough's misses were probably a lot cheaper than Adkins'.
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Not sure. Bigger range I suppose with some young cheap players there too. But Paynter, Brayford, McCarthy, B & S Davies, Coutts, Freeman, Brayford all came from higher leagues and Higdon we know wasn't particularly cheap as Chessy tried but couldn't afford him.
 
Grappler said:
Like I said before, in the final game, Woolford put a shift in and was nowhere near the worst player on the pitch. I would change Hammond to "Miss" and Woolford to "Average".
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I think both have the right attitude but both lack the ability and mobility of real promotion players these days despite having done it before.
 
Grappler said:
Like I said before, in the final game, Woolford put a shift in and was nowhere near the worst player on the pitch. I would change Hammond to "Miss" and Woolford to "Average".
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Agreed, I thought Woolford didn't deserve the boos on Sunday, but in the same vein as Adkins, he would've needed to score a first-half hat-trick and set up another three before regaining any faith from the faithful. Too little, too late.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
Not sure. Bigger range I suppose with some young cheap players there too. But Paynter, Brayford, McCarthy, B & S Davies, Coutts, Freeman, Brayford all came from higher leagues and Higdon we know wasn't particularly cheap as Chessy tried but couldn't afford him.
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Fair point, bud. Except for the 2nd Brayford, of course :D
 
1danewhitehouse said:
Again, I think in the context of the way the club has been run over the last 2-3 years, the timing, the lack of backing compared to his pre-decessor etc. I think it is crazy. If you give someone a mediocre squad, sell the best player, don't back them to bring new players in and only give them a season to build something, you're on a hiding to nothing. I genuinely think any manager would have failed in those circumstances.
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Not that I am an Adkins supporter but to be fair, through no fault of his own he also lost his only midfield player with some sort of vision (probably hallucinogenic) and the alleged best defender in the squad (a) seemed to go on holiday from Christmas and (b) got badly injured again.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
More miss than hit?

Sharp- Hit
Baptise- Hit
Edgar- Decent
Hammond- Average
Woolford- Miss
Sammon- Miss (but was it his signing).

Fairly even split I'd say. I concede it's subjective. Still, 2 good, 2 indifferent and 2 bad is probably a better success rate than Clough had.
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I think Hammonds "invisible" work might have been Average. The stuff that could be seen was distinctly MISS.
Last Miss on this scale was Kevin Costner's Waterworld.
 
silver blade said:
As my old boss used to say, 'don't throw away your dirty water until you have got some clean water' they probably have someone lined up already
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Anal?
Princey's turn surely, unless Ched rocks up late?
 

I've thought about it and:

1. I see an argument for dismissing Adkins (though I'm not sure I would have done it)

2. I don't see an argument for appointing Wilder other than the fact he's used to working with no money, which is what he's going to get given.

Btw I think Adams is a cert departure now.

Good luck Chris. You have 12 months to get promoted.
 
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