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Silent Blade said:
Wendy in 1950s

Promoted in 1950
Relegated in 1951
Promoted in 1952
Relegated in 1955
Promoted in 1956
Relegated in 1958
Promoted in 1959
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But don’t forget each time they got promoted with record crowds and record points and their plight was made easier because all the top div teams begged for them to bounce straight back as the first div wasn’t the same without them
 
We’ve got to become a club that builds and comes back stronger.

Some of the transfers from last time were just unnecessary gambles.

Burke, Brewster, Robinson is over 30m on players who have contributed so little. The jury might be out on Mousset given his purple patch helped us to stay up but having never completed 90 minutes at Bournemouth in 3 years, you’d think that was a warning sign.

A good 40m there.

If we do go up and then we do come down, we should be coming down with a functioning playing squad and at least some traction on the training ground or Academy.

It almost feels like we need to do a bit of a Norwich first time around.

But it isn’t easy to stay there. Look at the money spent by those who may come down.

Southampton - 122m
Forest - 158m

It’s a difficult juggling act.
 
Champagneblade said:
We’ve got to become a club that builds and comes back stronger.

Some of the transfers from last time were just unnecessary gambles.

Burke, Brewster, Robinson is over 30m on players who have contributed so little. The jury might be out on Mousset given his purple patch helped us to stay up but having never completed 90 minutes at Bournemouth in 3 years, you’d think that was a warning sign.

A good 40m there.

If we do go up and then we do come down, we should be coming down with a functioning playing squad and at least some traction on the training ground or Academy.

It almost feels like we need to do a bit of a Norwich first time around.

But it isn’t easy to stay there. Look at the money spent by those who may come down.

Southampton - 122m
Forest - 158m

It’s a difficult juggling act.
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It is

I work quite frequently at NCFC and they have invested in one of the most state of the art training and academy facilities in the league/s .

However , their supporters ,mostly ,want to shift the balance more towards investment into the first team (not squad) as they saw and feared what is happening this season

There is only so much diluting of first team that can go on before the cracks appear
 
Not sure how long you need to survive in the PL to stop being defined as a Yo Yo club.

Of the 20 clubs in the Premier League, Arsenal have been in the top flight since 1919, Everton since 1954, Liverpool since 1962, Manchester United since 1975, Spurs since 1978, Chelsea since 1989 and Manchester City since 2002.

Beyond those seven, the longest-serving top-flight clubs are Southampton and West Ham (both 11 seasons), Palace (10 seasons) and Leicester (nine seasons).

According to this article there is a limited ‘life expectancy’ in the Premier League for clubs like SUFC. We will never 'establish ourselves' in the PL and become like e.g. Spurs. We will be relegated eventually.

theathletic.com

Stagnation, fifth-season syndrome and staying afloat in the Premier League

How long can a smaller club — without the heritage, power or modern wealth of the league's elite — hope to remain in the top flight?
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There’s certainly a case for being a yo-yo club. If you can gamble on your first season in the PL spending little money but staying up you can chuck the kitchen sink at it in the 2nd season…… hang on maybe we’ve tried that before.
Seriously though the money certainly helps from going up so the gap financially can grow between the likes of us/Norwich Burnley on clubs line Preston/Blackburn etc, we’re starting to see divisions within divisions. The top 6 on their own, then you’ve got the mid table premier league sides that flirt with a europa conference place or still look like going down in April, then there’s a select few “yo-yo” clubs that can decide where they want to be.
 
Champagneblade said:
We’ve got to become a club that builds and comes back stronger.

Some of the transfers from last time were just unnecessary gambles.

Burke, Brewster, Robinson is over 30m on players who have contributed so little. The jury might be out on Mousset given his purple patch helped us to stay up but having never completed 90 minutes at Bournemouth in 3 years, you’d think that was a warning sign.

A good 40m there.

If we do go up and then we do come down, we should be coming down with a functioning playing squad and at least some traction on the training ground or Academy.

It almost feels like we need to do a bit of a Norwich first time around.

But it isn’t easy to stay there. Look at the money spent by those who may come down.

Southampton - 122m
Forest - 158m

It’s a difficult juggling act.
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"do a bit of a Norwich??"
What sleep with our cousins????
 

I could list 20 things I hate about the Premier league, but right now we NEED it.
I enjoy the Championship, I enjoy winning and being competitive, but it seems (financially at least) this is a make or break season so we need some of the EPL moneh!
 
Unfortunately it’s either this of financial trouble & probable point deductions.

We’d all love us to turn into Brighton / Brentford over night but in reality that has been put together over a number of years with an unbelievable scouting network & infrastructure.

When you look at we are in comparison to this we’re miles off,

Hecky admitted that we need more in this department recently.
 
BrianRhewster said:
Am I the only one not keen on the prospect of going up and down like a prostitute's knickers like Burnley, Norwich and so on?

Or maybe I'm just not used to having bouncebackability being a Blade!

Roll on the inevitable last day bottlejob! 👍🍼
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You found 14, 12 and 12 year gaps between top flight appearances more enjoyable, did you?
 
derekacorah said:
It's easy to go from being a yo-yo club to just being a shit Championship club. Ask Watford, Norwich and West Brom.
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Then there are those teams who were the good "model" for a mid table PL team in Swansea and Stoke who've never yo'd back yet.
Thought Burnley this season was struggle so fair play to Kompany on what he's done.
 
Norwich are the typical yo-yo club they are also utter wank, a miserable, dull bunch of cheating cunts.

So people assume Norwich = wank, Norwich = yo-yo, therefore yo-yo = wank.

That doesn’t have to be case, a well-managed (financially) club will have to yo-yo for a few years to become established with the big boys.

As a supporter, I don’t mind this at all, I’d rather have a good solid relegation battle followed by a promotion push than years of mediocrity in the Prem finishing 10th to 15th and becoming invisible.

We aren’t Fulham we don’t have the money to do what they have done, we never want to be the scabs or the scum, piss money and still fail.

That leaves 2 choices we yo-yo or we look at Brentford’s business model. They’ve only lost 8 this year, less than Spurs and Liverpool, they have only just opened a cat 4 academy to conform to Prem rules and still manage to run 2 woman’s teams with free entry for fans.

With so many good examples of how to fuck up your first 2 years in the Prem you would think we can make a decent job of becoming established over the next 5 years.
 
Sithblade said:
Then there are those teams who were the good "model" for a mid table PL team in Swansea and Stoke who've never yo'd back yet.
Thought Burnley this season was struggle so fair play to Kompany on what he's done.
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What we've done (if we get promoted) is about on the limit in terms of risk. We've kept all but Ramsdale (who wanted out) out of the 'decent' players from the PL seasons. We are absolutely screwed if we don't go up this season but it seems we've just about got over the line on the risk/reward scale.
 
Looking at the Premiership Table there is a clear split almost 50/50 this season of teams that could drop vs teams miles safe. Although yeah it would be great to be an established Premiership side or even one that is there longer than a couple of years, getting up and getting the cash is key. I think the board need to seriously look at their long term investment goals. I would rather the club invest £20-30million into a training ground investment, add a few loan signings and look to the long term bringing through the academy players where next time with the books balanced a promotion would be investment in the squad.
 
We need to think long term with how we invest money in the club. Signing expensive players isn’t the answer to establishing United in the Premier League (not yet anyway).

Investing in the Lane, academy and training ground need to be a high priority to provide a solid foundation that the club can be built on. Get those in place then we can start blowing millions on players
 
For every West Brom, Norwich and Watford, there's a Brentford, Brighton and Palace who have made it stick and established themselves.
Trying to get as high up the leagues as you can is the name of the game - why else are you celebrating victories?
 
Dkc said:
Not sure how long you need to survive in the PL to stop being defined as a Yo Yo club.

Of the 20 clubs in the Premier League, Arsenal have been in the top flight since 1919, Everton since 1954, Liverpool since 1962, Manchester United since 1975, Spurs since 1978, Chelsea since 1989 and Manchester City since 2002.

Beyond those seven, the longest-serving top-flight clubs are Southampton and West Ham (both 11 seasons), Palace (10 seasons) and Leicester (nine seasons).

According to this article there is a limited ‘life expectancy’ in the Premier League for clubs like SUFC. We will never 'establish ourselves' in the PL and become like e.g. Spurs. We will be relegated eventually.

theathletic.com

Stagnation, fifth-season syndrome and staying afloat in the Premier League

How long can a smaller club — without the heritage, power or modern wealth of the league's elite — hope to remain in the top flight?
theathletic.com theathletic.com
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The fact that Leicester will probably get relegated this season says it all. They were genuinely contending to be a top four club, having won the league and fa cup, but the gap is just too big. Over-reach and you're doomed. But do we really want to become a Palace? They are safe as houses every season but so dull and boring. If we could retain the players we have I'd far sooner stay in the championship, way more entertaining. I realize promotion is an economic necessity for us this season but if we do get promoted, it doesn't excite me. The prospect of hanging on for a few 1-0 wins like last time isn't great. So on that basis, go up, get relegated but secure the financial future for the club.
 
Look at Leicester. Won the league and flirted with other European runs and yet look likely to go down this year.

Yo yo while getting a owner with money and better training facilities sounds fine to me.
 
I've lost track of all the young players we have out on loan with lower league clubs. Would any of these be able to cut it in the Prem? If not, time to get rid (with a sell-on clause in case they do turn out to be valuable players).

Maybe a few of our current youngsters could thrive in the Prem one day, but spotting the real gems from those that merely have 'potential' is the key. Even the best coaches in the game get it wrong. You need a bit of luck to go with judgement.
 

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