Yesterday’s penalty shout

[Geordie Blade]

It had not been a sending off offence since the 2016-17 season. The decision therefore is (a bit like the one on RND on Saturday) whether the referee in his opinion felt that a foul had been committed. It would have been a booking and penalty. But, as I said, having not given the decision, the one to deny the goal was 100% correct.

I don't think that's true. It's a red if the foul stopped a goalscoring opportunity and the foul wasn't a genuine attempt to play the ball.

 

[MobileBlade]

I don't think that's true. It's a red if the foul stopped a goalscoring opportunity and the foul wasn't a genuine attempt to play the ball.

Possibly. Strictly speaking this is what the Law says. Note the final paragraph:

DENYING A GOAL OR AN OBVIOUS GOAL-SCORING OPPORTUNITY

Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence the player is sent off wherever the offence occurs.

Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offending player is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off.

A player, sent-off player, substitute or substituted player who enters the field of play without the required referee's permission and interferes with play or an opponent and denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity is guilty of a sending-off offence

The following must be considered:

• distance between the offence and the goal
• general direction of the play
• likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
• location and number of defenders

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

I blame RND and his team mates. He should have rolled about four or five times and every player should have surrounded the referee. They should have been waving their hands, yelling and pointing. It works in The Premier League for Manure et al.

 

[Geordie Blade]

Possibly. Strictly speaking this is what the Law says. Note the final paragraph:

DENYING A GOAL OR AN OBVIOUS GOAL-SCORING OPPORTUNITY

Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence the player is sent off wherever the offence occurs.

Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offending player is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off.

A player, sent-off player, substitute or substituted player who enters the field of play without the required referee's permission and interferes with play or an opponent and denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity is guilty of a sending-off offence

The following must be considered:

• distance between the offence and the goal
• general direction of the play
• likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
• location and number of defenders

The bold part suggests a red card. However, the big question is “was it denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity?”

Technically, it must have been a goal scoring opportunity because the bloke DID score. However, the foul wasn’t actually on the bloke that scored. But, the foul itself did stop the opportunity to score. I don’t think the Laws cover this!

 

[Sheff de party]

The bold part suggests a red card. However, the big question is “was it denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity?”

Technically, it must have been a goal scoring opportunity because the bloke DID score. However, the foul wasn’t actually on the bloke that scored. But, the foul itself did stop the opportunity to score. I don’t think the Laws cover this!

I believe it’s a yellow for attempting to stop a goal scoring opportunity and failing (I.e. it goes in anyway). For instance, if you try and punch it off the line but it deflects off your hand and goes in, it’s a booking I think.

 

[Geordie Blade]

I believe it’s a yellow for attempting to stop a goal scoring opportunity and failing (I.e. it goes in anyway). For instance, if you try and punch it off the line but it deflects off your hand and goes in, it’s a booking I think.

Yes, that's correct, I think. I'm not sure what happens if it's serious foul play though*, because that's a straight red and, technically, the game has to stop when a ref gives a red card (i.e. no advantage can be played).

*It wasn't serious foul play for the 'goal' at Huddersfield, that was just an example.

 

[Jon Bon II]

The only more blatant penalty I've seen not given, was Columbia v El Salvador in 1981, where the El Salvador striker is baring down on goal with only the keeper to beat, when the keeper pulls out a Glock 9mm pistol and shoots him in the chin. The keeper then dismembers the forward's body, before leaving it in a stinking pile next to the goal. The linesman looked the other way and the ref waved play on. Comparisons to be made.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Whether we deserved it or not is irrelevant, it was a fairly blatant penalty that should have been given.

I agree completely. I was just so p*ssed off with the performance I don’t feel like that should be the major talking point behind the result. You’re right though it was 100% a pen

 

[Sheff de party]

Yes, that's correct, I think. I'm not sure what happens if it's serious foul play though*, because that's a straight red and, technically, the game has to stop when a ref gives a red card (i.e. no advantage can be played).

*It wasn't serious foul play for the 'goal' at Huddersfield, that was just an example.

It depends. If it’s dangerous, you can play advantage then go back and send him to off I’m sure.

 

[Bladesman]

If they even themselves out, I’d like to know the list of lucky decisions that have gone in our favour this season.

I can only think of the disallowed goal at Huddersfield and a red card decision I think we avoided in one match.

 

[Geordie Blade]

It depends. If it’s dangerous, you can play advantage then go back and send him to off I’m sure.

Yes, that's true. Advantage can be played if there is "a clear opportunity to score a goal". From Law 12:

Advantage should not be applied in situations involving serious foul play, violent conduct or a second cautionable offence unless there is a clear opportunity to score a goal. The referee must send off the player when the ball is next out of play but if the player plays the ball or challenges/interferes with an opponent, the referee will stop play, send off the player and restart with an indirect free kick, unless the player committed a more serious offence.

 

[HighfieldBlade]

I was low down directly behind the goal. It was a clear penalty.

 

[idleurchin]

Did anyone get a good view/see on a stream the tackle on Norrington-Davies in their box second half? I was on the other side of the away stand but it looked absolutely blatant to me.

Corner or a penalty surely, but somehow a goal kick.

Was stood as close to it as anyone in the away end. Looked nailed on to me. Never touched the ball.

 

[Torrix1889]

From my seat I thought it was 100% nailed on....

The only reason I can think of having watched that is RND barges their guy, he loses his balance and brings RND down as he hits the deck. IF (and it is a big IF) the ref thinks that the only reason for the tackle from the defender is that RND shoved him then he doesn't give the Pen....personally it woud have happened way too fast for that thought process so i think he just bottles it!

 

[Antonb]

what everybody is forgetting is that they had a couple of penalty shouts also!